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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA nice little golden, graphic reminder of where any cuts *SHOULD* come from
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Is $12,000 a pittance for a senior to live on. Yes!
But how does it serve us to base our arguments on blatant misinformation, in this case from an RW meme?
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/retirement_for_members.shtml
http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2011/may/29/chain-email/email-message-says-members-congress-get-full-pensi/
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)instead of this chained CPI bullshit.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)loudsue
(14,087 posts)It's time we did something about our politicians, besides be their victims.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Whatever argument that is attempted to be made here is overshadowed by the pathetic, blatant ridiculousness of the misinformation presented in the graphic.
http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2011/may/29/chain-email/email-message-says-members-congress-get-full-pensi/
Nor do congresspersons get a pension equal to their pay: http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/pensions.asp
If someone wants to discuss Congressional salaries and benefits in comparison soldier pay or SS recipients --great! Start with the freaking facts. Don't make the discussion a joke by starting with nonsensical claims.
This is another example of the RW trying to focus our attention on distractions rather than on the 1% to whom the real money is going. We should not fall for it.
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)What are you gonna save, a few million a year at best?
Cuts should come out of the military.
And corporate welfare.
Period.
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)The biggest benefit would be had from cutting defense/Pentagon spending and corprat welfare/loopholes/subsidies.
And also from Capitol Hill salaries, but you're right - not nearly as much benefit from that.
It is good to see how effing greedy the rich b@tards up there are though, that they make the salaries they do and receive the other taxpayer-funded benefits they do, yet still want to rake more from seniors and the middle class.
After NONE of them will ever have to rely on Medicare or Social Security.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Yes - the military budget could probably be halved without compromising national security.
But to take from those with little so that that those with much can keep theirs is obscene and immoral.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)salary of a highly paid salary worker. I can't find any empirical evidence that it gets us better representation, and it helps reinforce an elite ruling class. There's some reading about that in old union stories, with much lower paid union negotiators doing quite well against highly paid corporate executives, as if they had skin in the game. As if they weren't talking to donors to their campaign, but to people whose fraud, theft, finks and spies had decimated and visited great tragedy on their brothers and sisters in their own country. For profit.
We would save more than just money. An added bonus is that they then get to feel "like" the people they represent, not "for". That can't hurt.
Again, not as a cost saving measure, but we could move Congress and the Administrations into portable buildings, the White House on wheels. We roll it to the area of greatest unemployment, or maybe kid shootings, whatever we want to solve.
I would bet whatever the problem is gets handled a lot faster if they have to live with the people who face it every day. Maybe look at their foreclosed homes while paying the wealthy $40 billion a month to save them from losses in mortgage-backed assets, or giving zero cost loans to banks to market government-guaranteed debt at high interest rates to the working poor, or students who can't get jobs.
savebigbird
(417 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)self delete.
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)ALWAYS by right-wingers.
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savebigbird
(417 posts)serve are seeing cuts made to their quality of life, then those who were chosen to serve them should also see cuts. Perhaps it would motivate them to reach consensus more often and get things done.
That's just my opinion. If anything, I am not a Republican, so no need to worry about that.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)anything better than pointless?! Good grief, when did the Tea Party mentality take over DU?
savebigbird
(417 posts)Again, I am not a conservative, so no need to worry about that.
putitinD
(1,551 posts)our dime, ofcourse
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)May be of less benefit than other cuts (such as defense) but it should be cut nonetheless. Especially when they sit up there on their dead asses and do nothing except obstruct, if even that.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Their healthcare should not be cut, we should apply it to everyone. Think about it, we should be bringing everyone up, not trying to drag a few down.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)They are only paid while serving in office. They only get health insurance while they are in office. And they do have to pay for it.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)The next person who emails it to me is being spammed.
We have enough to criticize about that worthless bunch in Congress without making shit up.
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)Heartless bastards.
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Congress reps don't get paid for life.
cactusfractal
(496 posts)Congresscritters are part of the federal retirement system like other federal employees.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Congress. Can we please stick to the truth?!
This post of mine got plenty of views, but not one person cared to provide any sourced facts nor did anyone support my frustration with the misinformation. And I've seen that same misinformation on DU more than once.
I recently also had a disagreement with a DUer who was harping on the "massive savings" we'd get by cutting Congressional salaries, benefits, etc. That poster could not provide any actual figures, but insisted we must make a ruckus about it. Very disappointing and extremely frustrating.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)How much is the Walton estate worth?
Compared to similar management positions in the corporate sector, Constitutional officials do not make very much. The fact that one can make so much more as a lobbyist or a corporate higher-up helps fuel the the revolving door of influence peddling.
cese
(15 posts)I strongly feel that the US government could cut that Nasty Spending Problem By cutting in half all the "SUBSIDIES" or even more....that seem to be so strongly embedded in that budget...and leave the SS and Medicare alone...most of those Subsidies go to those BIG Farm Company's and organizations....
James48
(4,436 posts)None of those dollar amounts are true. Congressmen don;'t make a salary for life.
They earn a retirement pension called FERS, like other federal employees do- and it's only a small amount of the annual salary, which they get only if they complete the minimum number of years of service.
The average salary of a deployed soldier, by the way, is slightly higher than that when you count basic allowance for quarters (BAQ) if they are married. and remember- income earned in a war zone it tax free.
Just saying the truth.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)when we Dems had the house and senate. I got so damn tired of refuting it back then and now I hear the same ignorant shit here.
Sheesh! Educate yourselves.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)I ask again for responses to this post of mine because I've been trying to educate myself, and others, but could use some help with sources.
pasto76
(1,589 posts)specifically, that anybody really cares about our wages. The block that voted for romney sure as FUCK doesnt. And frankly, concern from the left is lethargic and just on the positive side of apathetic. Go ahead and look at all the crazy posts about General Schwarzkopf's death.
450,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to what corporate executives make. and ironically, lowering the salaries for congress would only spur them to do more insider trading and everything else that makes them _millionaires_.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)So I had a different reality than the enlisted guys in the Army. I never ever had anything bad to say about the amount of money that I made when I was in the military. Hell, as a 25 year old captain, I was in the top 25% of wage earners in the US - and that was just with my base pay and not even counting my COLA and BAH and other benefits. However, the enlisted guys had it much differently than me. I never understood why the SFC that was serving as my right hand man when I was a Platoon Leader was making less than me. He had basically the same responsibility and a whole hell of a lot more experience (16-20+ years) than I did. Additionally, those SSG Squad Leaders that reported to me were exactly who made me look like a stud. Those guys need to more money too.
I have the utmost respect for anyone serving in our military who is a SSG or SFC. That is a lot of responsibility and is exactly where the "meat meets the metal" when it comes to getting stuff done in the Army.
Anyways, I better get back to drinking my beer. Alcohol makes me tell everyone how much I love them....
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)I don't see any reason to make our elected officials MORE susceptible to bribery. The amount we spend on elected officials is miniscule compared to our budget. Even cutting every dollar of salary and benefits from every senator, congress person, and president would not make a dent in the deficit.
Personally, I think one way to get the politicians thinking a bit more about the policies they espouse(as well as encouraging a whole different class of politicians to participate), is to make a requirement that their personal wealth becomes part of the US government portfolio on the day they swear in, and their returns at the end of their tenure are based in some way on the performance of government while they serve.
But cutting their salary seems petty, useless, and likely to backfire. The only ones this would hurt are the honest ones. Without having any significant budgetary effect.
Lets look instead at some real reform. Reducing military spending. Reforming our tax code to stop benefiting those who do the least work. That kind of thing
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)ErikJ
(6,335 posts)ANd defense spending which has TRIPLED since 1997.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)The biggest profiteers off the war in Iraq who pay next to nothing in corporate taxes. They in particular should be contributing a portion of those profits to offset the deficit, not impoverished people who have already sacrificed in this recession Republican policies brought to this Country.
Sam
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Average salary of the CO of a Fortune 500 company???
Does anyone know or is it just so astronomical and beyond comprehension that we are not allowed to know?
rdking647
(5,113 posts)the OP is just plain false congress and teh president dont get their salary for life
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)a dem is not a dem either.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)No Compromise
(373 posts)nt
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)of the misinformation presented in the graphic.
Congresspersons do NOT get paid for life.
http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2011/may/29/chain-email/email-message-says-members-congress-get-full-pensi/
Nor do congresspersons get a pension equal to their pay, in case that's what is meant by the claim: http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/pensions.asp
You wanna discuss Congressional salaries and benefits in comparison soldier pay or SS recipients? Cool! Start with the freaking facts. This is banning sharia law territory-- freeper crap unworthy of DU.
SpartanDem
(4,533 posts)President et al don't get paid for life.