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On Day 1, Iran launched 504 ballistic missiles at it's neighbors... by day 5, it was 29 (Original Post) WarGamer Mar 9 OP
Since you're doing stats,... LudwigPastorius Mar 9 #1
fortunately drones don't carry 1000 LB payloads. WarGamer Mar 9 #3
Because the US has destroyed their launchers Melon Mar 9 #2
No it hasn't. They, most, at least, are in underground tunnels that shoot through the sand then are immediately artemisia1 Mar 9 #10
Let's get real RoseTrellis Mar 10 #21
Let's get real. You simply don't know what you are talking about. Serbia used them very effectively against U.S. artemisia1 Mar 10 #23
ISR today compared to over 2 decades ago DetroitLegalBeagle Mar 10 #30
Nor is the quality of decoys. The painted plywood models used by Serbia were obsolescent by the earl-200's. The new, artemisia1 Mar 10 #31
Isn't Jinsa fucking part of the pro Israel lobby aligned with Likud and other MAGA adjacent fuckstains? SoFlaBro Mar 9 #4
Are you saying the numbers are off? There are more sources like JPost... WarGamer Mar 9 #5
A neo-con inspired, CONSERVATIVE think tank made up of war hawks. AloeVera Mar 10 #32
By next week StoolPigeon Mar 9 #6
How about "Surrender is imminent"? dpibel Mar 9 #7
I have no idea what will happen... but I do recognize nonsense on social media WarGamer Mar 9 #8
You didn't mean that, right? dpibel Mar 9 #12
Yeah, I almost had to laugh when I heard that Trump was trying to get the Kurds to attack Metaphorical Mar 9 #11
That was their strategy. Saturate Israel and U.S. bases with cheap, older missiles, and exhaust their interceptors to artemisia1 Mar 9 #9
Pretty much everything you just wrote is inaccurate. WarGamer Mar 9 #13
Swap some country names and it'd look like it was sourced straight from a Russian Telegram channel. Lancero Mar 9 #14
Do you get your news from Fox? I am in contact with several residents of Tel Aviv and the situation there is dire. artemisia1 Mar 9 #15
I'm not fond of Israel, they're bullies in the region, specifically re gaza... WarGamer Mar 9 #16
They are fighting using asymmetrical warfare as the NVA did so successfully. No, they are not matching our artemisia1 Mar 9 #17
Agreed RoseTrellis Mar 10 #22
I do not get my information from X (Twitter) and I am not repeating garbage. One of my sources is several artemisia1 Mar 10 #24
War Gamer is not pro-Israel! LeftInTX Mar 10 #20
Thanks. Good to know. His sources are Israeli, though, and that is a government that has taken spin and lying to artemisia1 Mar 10 #28
I remember war saying Ukraine would fall to Russia within a few months questionseverything Mar 10 #29
PUTIN WILL NEVER INVADE UKRAINE!!!!1!11 dpibel Mar 13 #34
I wouldn't go that far or use that tone but no one is correct all the time questionseverything Mar 13 #37
Tel Aviv Greg_In_SF Mar 10 #26
Like Kiev, they have power at times, other times no. They were hit in a transmission or power plant and lost citywide artemisia1 Mar 10 #27
According to residents in Tel Aviv, last night was the largest strike on Israel since the war began. You may wish artemisia1 Mar 9 #18
Iran doesn't stand a chance in a fight with the US... Boo1 Mar 10 #19
Maybe not, but they are curb-stomping Tel Aviv and Haifa as we speak. /nt artemisia1 Mar 10 #25
What is your definition of "beat us"? dpibel Mar 13 #35
Well, Boo1 Mar 13 #38
That's one of the funniest things I've read in a long time dpibel Mar 13 #39
Whats funny Boo1 Mar 13 #40
What did we win in Afghanistan? dpibel Mar 13 #41
A dead bin Laden Boo1 Mar 13 #42
"until the US gets bored and leaves" dpibel Mar 13 #43
So should we all just get behind trump Kingofalldems Mar 10 #33
Well, duh. dpibel Mar 13 #36

Melon

(1,525 posts)
2. Because the US has destroyed their launchers
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 01:13 AM
Mar 9

They aren’t shooting because they lack the ability , not because they lack the hatred.

artemisia1

(1,868 posts)
10. No it hasn't. They, most, at least, are in underground tunnels that shoot through the sand then are immediately
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 01:55 AM
Mar 9

moved elsewhere as in "shoot and scoot". We return fire to where they were and declare it a "destruction". We are wasting Tomahawk missiles on inflatable decoys as well. BDA after the Serbian campaign, 1992 Gulf War and other engagements have shown that we count as "destroyed" multiple times in numbers than they, our adversaries, actually possessed. Do not forget how much punishment North Vietnam took from American bombers and stayed in the fight -- to the end.

They are firing less missiles because the ones they are now using do multiple times the damage of the volleys they fired initially to deplete Israeli/American interceptors.

This, "they are running out of launchers", etc. are simply talking points to dodge the disaster this has been and is. Remember when Russia was "out of missiles" in UKR 3 + years ago? They were not and are not.

RoseTrellis

(164 posts)
21. Let's get real
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 09:30 AM
Mar 10

No missile are launched thru the sand. That’s just impossible.
Don’t fall for the Iranian propaganda about tomahawks being wasted on inflatable decoys.
That might have worked to fool militaries in the early days of reconnaissance when overflights were infrequent, a tank/plane that just showed up one day could easily be identified as a valid target.
Those days are over. In today’s persistent surveillance, targets just don’t “appear”; the war planners/targeting cells can easily review previous footage to determine from where they came from and will easily reject those decoys. If you wanna do a deep dive, look up “gorgon stare” to get an idea of what’s possible. What you’ll,find is just the publicly availability capability, or doubt the system can do far more than that.
This target analysis is a core competency of the military that has existed for decades and is independent of who is in the White House.

artemisia1

(1,868 posts)
23. Let's get real. You simply don't know what you are talking about. Serbia used them very effectively against U.S.
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 03:36 PM
Mar 10

bombing during the Kosovo War and, while we blew up plenty of bridges, BDA eventually showed that we did NOT destroy anywhere near the number of tanks, artillery pieces and aircraft. Both Seribia and Iran treat their decoys as real in terms of appearing to service them, putting them where they would be expected, and moving them. They will even "cover" them with netting to appear "camoflouged". As to missile fired through the dessert, probably only a very thin canopy, from a tunnel, watch this video and be informed:

artemisia1

(1,868 posts)
31. Nor is the quality of decoys. The painted plywood models used by Serbia were obsolescent by the earl-200's. The new,
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 04:27 PM
Mar 10

inflatable models produced by China and purchased by Iran are indistinguishable at distance from the real thing and many have coatings on them to appear solid to EW. Both UKR and Russia have used decoys successfully in the current war, both having extensive ISR capability. Also, decoys are used much more intelligently now. Dropping them on a runway, inexplicably, stopped working a long time ago. Now they treat them like the real thing and "service" them, move them to simulate use, and eve put "camouflage" netting on them so they appear as valuable assets being protected.

Finally, wartime BDA sucks, whether done by Americans or others.

SoFlaBro

(3,790 posts)
4. Isn't Jinsa fucking part of the pro Israel lobby aligned with Likud and other MAGA adjacent fuckstains?
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 01:36 AM
Mar 9

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
5. Are you saying the numbers are off? There are more sources like JPost...
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 01:39 AM
Mar 9

Unless you don't like anything connected to Israel.

AloeVera

(4,264 posts)
32. A neo-con inspired, CONSERVATIVE think tank made up of war hawks.
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 04:30 PM
Mar 10

"Regime-change" and WMD cheerleaders for GWB in Iraq (remember Chalabi? He was pushed by JINSA, later turned out to be a fraud and likely Iranian agent!), supporters of genocidal Azerbeijan, and now, since 2018, advocators of a U.S.-Israeli mutual defense pact (looks like they were pretty successful).

Tidbit: In March 2023, JINSA issued an open letter calling on the White House and Congress to "immediately provide Israel with the advanced weapons it needs to deter and prevent a nuclear Iran".

Crying...


dpibel

(3,944 posts)
7. How about "Surrender is imminent"?
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 01:41 AM
Mar 9

Should we believe that?

What happened to those Kurds you were counting on the other day? It was all coming into focus!!!

Tell me the one about how air superiority is all you need to defeat a nation of 90 million. I'm all ears.

dpibel

(3,944 posts)
12. You didn't mean that, right?
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 02:27 AM
Mar 9

I mean, like...

Self own.

Fill in the blanks quiz:

"The _________ will lead the __________ assault on _______."

I guess you could argue that DU is not social media, and thus recognition is different. But that's a bit of stretch.

Metaphorical

(2,634 posts)
11. Yeah, I almost had to laugh when I heard that Trump was trying to get the Kurds to attack
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 02:11 AM
Mar 9

Somehow, I'm not surprised when they replied, "Um, no."

Iran's goal is simple at this stage - outwait the US. The Iranians can continue bombing ships and US bases, as well as continuing to take out soft targets like data centers, but the US does not have the logistical support at this point to wage an extended ground war without this thing dragging on for months or even years. The next attacks I expect will be cyberwarfare-related, and the US is considerably more vulnerable in that regard than the Iranians.

The US has a massive fight ahead of it if it wants to control Iran, while the Iranians only have to wait long enough for the rest of the world to rein in the US in order to clear the straits.

artemisia1

(1,868 posts)
9. That was their strategy. Saturate Israel and U.S. bases with cheap, older missiles, and exhaust their interceptors to
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 01:46 AM
Mar 9

make way for the real stuff. They are doing substantially greater damage to Israel with a much smaller number of newer, more effective missiles. Tel Aviv is in the dark now and their radar capabilities have been so damaged, as has the U.S.'s in the region, that Tel Aviv residents no longer get a 20 minute warning but now only about 90 seconds or none at all.

Our ships have not retreated out of range without reason and we are not using Indian ports for resupply rather than the one in Bahrain because Iran is on its "last legs". They are winning this simply by surviving and staying in the fight.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
13. Pretty much everything you just wrote is inaccurate.
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 02:42 AM
Mar 9

1) the US moved out of Bahrain BEFORE the attack

2) Israelis still get an alert from their cell phones upon launch from Iran and the shorter alarm when they're incoming

3) There is no reduction in US radar coverage.

Lancero

(3,276 posts)
14. Swap some country names and it'd look like it was sourced straight from a Russian Telegram channel.
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 02:46 AM
Mar 9

Legit, I had to double check and make sure I didn't somehow end up on one with how similar the argument is.

artemisia1

(1,868 posts)
15. Do you get your news from Fox? I am in contact with several residents of Tel Aviv and the situation there is dire.
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 02:50 AM
Mar 9

Yes, we moved many, but not all, personnel from the GCC States because we knew they were vulnerable. The radars they destroyed were still being used and were essential to successful intercepts.

Israelis themselves are complaining about the short notice now.

I suspect you are pro-Israeli, which is your right, but don't drink the Flavor-Aid please.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
16. I'm not fond of Israel, they're bullies in the region, specifically re gaza...
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 02:52 AM
Mar 9

But this full court press to make it seem like Iran is holding their own is just silly.

X.com is literally FULL of Russian and Iranian propaganda hyping up Iranian attacks...

artemisia1

(1,868 posts)
17. They are fighting using asymmetrical warfare as the NVA did so successfully. No, they are not matching our
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 03:00 AM
Mar 9

Air power, and yes, their Navy has been largely destroyed. It, however, was never going to be a player in this battle. Iran has more emotionally resilient and hardship hardened people than the U.S. has had in generations and they will take far more punishment than we ever will. For them, to stay in the fight is the route to eventual victory as it was for the NVA, the Taliban, etc. We also sold out our industrial capacity and cannot replace missiles, radars and interceptors in anything approaching realistic levels required to continue our present intensity. They are also going to win on the political front -- as Vietnam did -- as Europe, India, Japan and South Korea have their economies devastated by Trump's foolish actions.

They can and will take significantly more punishment than either the U.S. or Israel is able or willing to. They are also backed by two superpowers with industrial capacity in arms production that WILL NOT allow them to fall.

RoseTrellis

(164 posts)
22. Agreed
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 09:41 AM
Mar 10

X is generally unusable now to try to figure out what’s going on.
The signal to noise ratio is terrible.
It’s full of AI videos and pictures posted by accounts laughably inflating the US losses and understating the beating Iran is taking.
It’s a shame to see some of that garbage regurgitated here.

artemisia1

(1,868 posts)
24. I do not get my information from X (Twitter) and I am not repeating garbage. One of my sources is several
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 03:42 PM
Mar 10

current residents living in Tel Aviv who are telling me that they are getting pummeled and the government is lying. The attacks there are escalating, albeit by more effective missiles and not by the massive barrage of cheap missiles in the first days that depleted their Arrow and Patriot systems.

You are the one repeating Trump and Hegseth propaganda.

artemisia1

(1,868 posts)
28. Thanks. Good to know. His sources are Israeli, though, and that is a government that has taken spin and lying to
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 03:55 PM
Mar 10

a level in recent years that even Trump can't match.

questionseverything

(11,843 posts)
29. I remember war saying Ukraine would fall to Russia within a few months
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 03:57 PM
Mar 10

Sometimes everyone’s crystal ball clouds up

dpibel

(3,944 posts)
34. PUTIN WILL NEVER INVADE UKRAINE!!!!1!11
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:24 AM
Mar 13

HE IS SO NOT STUPID!!

I think that was 'Gamer's biggest hit of all.

But he's been pretty consistent, overall. Confidently, insultingly wrong.

I think I'd like to play some war games with him. For money.

artemisia1

(1,868 posts)
27. Like Kiev, they have power at times, other times no. They were hit in a transmission or power plant and lost citywide
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 03:51 PM
Mar 10

power, but their damage control people, like the Ukrainians, patched the system and put the lights back on.

They are still getting hammered.

artemisia1

(1,868 posts)
18. According to residents in Tel Aviv, last night was the largest strike on Israel since the war began. You may wish
Mon Mar 9, 2026, 11:40 PM
Mar 9

to reconsider your thread's assumptions.

Boo1

(356 posts)
19. Iran doesn't stand a chance in a fight with the US...
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 01:28 AM
Mar 10

but they don't have to beat us. All they have to do is last until the politcal cost is too high for us to continue.

They don't have to sink aircraft carriers and blow up bases. All they have to do is keep Hormuz jammed up and threaten oil production long enough that the political pressure makes Trump TACO out.

Judging from the support that the war started with, and the most recent reports coming out of the White House, that's pretty damn soon.

dpibel

(3,944 posts)
35. What is your definition of "beat us"?
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:26 AM
Mar 13

How does "last until the political cost is too high for us to continue" differ from "beat us"?

In your analytic, did Afghanistan "beat us"? Or just "last until..."?

Boo1

(356 posts)
38. Well,
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 05:55 PM
Mar 13

We occupied their country for 20 years and overthrew their government. Only left because we decided to, could take it back in 2 weeks if we wanted.

Taliban money showed back up when we left.

Thats pretty clearly not "beating us."

dpibel

(3,944 posts)
39. That's one of the funniest things I've read in a long time
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 08:42 PM
Mar 13

Bravo for channeling that muscular warfighter bellicosity and swagger!

Boo1

(356 posts)
40. Whats funny
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 10:48 PM
Mar 13

Is you thinking anything I said is wrong.

Trump signed a peace agreement with the Taliban because he wanted to say he had ended the war for his 2020 campaign, no other reason. If the US were still there, the Taliban wouldn't be in control.

If we really wanted it again, we would take it in weeks.

dpibel

(3,944 posts)
41. What did we win in Afghanistan?
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 10:58 PM
Mar 13

A couple thousand plus military people got killed, plus we spent billions, so we know what we lost.

What did we win?

The government we installed didn't govern beyond the fortifications.

The Taliban never went away.

"We can, like, INVADE any time we want" actually isn't much of a flex in light of reality.

But it seems you don't bother with that shit much.

Boo1

(356 posts)
42. A dead bin Laden
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 11:09 PM
Mar 13

That was the goal going in, and Neptune Spear wouldn't have been possible without controlling Afghanistan. That's both operationally and forcing bin Laden into Pakistan and out of his more secure footing in Afghanistan.

THe reason we didn't leave after that was that we had a President who actually gave a shit about what would happen to the country after we left. In 2017 that changed.

And isn't hiding in a cave for 20 years until the US gets bored and leaves the very definition of "lasting?"

dpibel

(3,944 posts)
43. "until the US gets bored and leaves"
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 11:52 PM
Mar 13

I can't even begin to say how utterly weird that formulation is.

It really does appear to me to be a Hegseth level of faux testosterone.

Anyway.

Swagger on, Boo1. You clearly live in a reality that is different from mine.

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