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Brian Beutler
To sell Senate Democrats on a controversial plan the White House negotiated with Senate Republicans to avoid the fiscal cliff, Vice President Joe Biden had to repeatedly reassure frustrated members of his own party Monday night that President Obama and Democratic leaders will not negotiate with the GOP to raise the debt ceiling in February or March.
We also talked about something I feel strongly about is that we should tell the Republicans on debt ceiling we are not negotiating any political agenda in return for raising the debt ceiling, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) told reporters in the Capitol after a long Democratic caucus meeting during which Biden pitched his deal. That if they start doing that, were saying, Were not discussing it. If you want to let the debt ceiling lapse, and we dont pay our bills, thats on your shoulders. Were not negotiating cuts, revenues or anything else for the debt ceiling. That should just be done automatically. Dont come and tie the two together because were not going to talk to you about that.
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But that very willingness to make concessions to avoid the consequences of inaction worries Democrats, some of whom believe the White House lacks the resolve to dismiss the GOPs debt limit demands. A senior Democratic aide said some members have diminished confidence in the administrations willingness to stare down the Republicans in two months time.
A Senate vote on the deal is expected early Tuesday morning. The vote is being delayed while the Congressional Budget Office analyzes the actual budget impact of the proposed legislation, which was still being drafted at press time. The House will consider the bill after Senate passage and could vote on it as early as Tuesday afternoon. Its prospects for House passage are less certain.
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Oh brother.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Whatever.
JEB
(4,748 posts)coming from that "deal".
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Tom Harkin is giving them hell. " Permanent tax beaks for the rich, temporary tax breaks for the middle class."
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Great point.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)until the next hostage crisis.
bama_blue_dot
(224 posts)The only way the Democrats would feel so confident would be if they were told that there is another way to raise the debt ceiling without Congress.. It just seems that in their statements, they are hiding something..
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Report1212
(661 posts)Pretty sure Obama repeatedly said he wouldn't budge on 250k. This is laughable.
W_HAMILTON
(7,866 posts)(1) If they are going to be so steadfast in opposition to negotiating over the debt ceiling, why weren't they that way to begin with back when the Republicans started using the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip?
(2) You can't (or won't) stand up to the Republicans when it comes to the income tax rates / thresholds you campaign and won on, but you will stand up to them if it comes down to letting the country default on its obligations, something that would be unprecedented? Are you kidding me?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)He's good at scolding Dems, not so much the Repukes. Here's hoping
bama_blue_dot
(224 posts)Senator Sherrod Brown be absolutely certain about it?? Is he as naive as you think President Obama is?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)You might have missed this:
and this
and the actual quote from Sen. Brown
probably means the Senate, not the WH. Like I said, I am hoping, just as I hoped for a Public Option, Wall Street prosecution, an end to torture, and an end to the Bush tax cuts.