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WhiskeyGrinder

(26,887 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 02:40 PM Yesterday

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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original Post) WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday OP
Are all men involved in this BS behavior? Ritabert Yesterday #1
Way too many of us are EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #4
Good points. Ritabert 23 hrs ago #10
It seems more likely with powerful men but I don't know for sure Redleg Yesterday #5
I was groped on the Boston subway until he got an elbow in the ribs. Ritabert 23 hrs ago #13
Someone unknown said something and they're changing their plans? Seems crazy. David__77 Yesterday #2
It isn't one person... LeftInTX 23 hrs ago #19
The moves that the UFW and other orgs are making indicate that there's fire behind the smoke they see. They're not WhiskeyGrinder 22 hrs ago #20
Not saying it's not true, but what's the evidence, Chasstev365 Yesterday #3
He died over 30 years ago. W_HAMILTON 23 hrs ago #6
Maybe seeing the calls across the country to hold Epstein perpetrators accountable? WhiskeyGrinder 23 hrs ago #8
Is he an Epstein perpetrator? W_HAMILTON 23 hrs ago #11
Not that I know of, why? WhiskeyGrinder 23 hrs ago #14
Maybe some victims came forward after all this Epstein stuff came out. Ritabert 23 hrs ago #15
I care greatly about allegations like these, but snot 23 hrs ago #7
I'm not a fan of, say, elementary schools being named after someone who has assaulted children. We can do better than WhiskeyGrinder 23 hrs ago #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Ritabert 23 hrs ago #17
molesting just one kid is okay, but more than one is not? WhiskeyGrinder 18 hrs ago #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Ritabert 5 hrs ago #27
From the UFW Foundation: WhiskeyGrinder 5 hrs ago #29
That seems to be a lot to ask of this society, these days. OldBaldy1701E 8 hrs ago #25
Look at it another way, though. yardwork 5 hrs ago #28
Smear anyone who did anything good for labor. BlueTsunami2018 23 hrs ago #12
repukes will clutch their pearls Skittles 23 hrs ago #16
The foundation cancelled our local march about a month ago due to a "sensitive issue". LeftInTX 23 hrs ago #18
Chavez's continual hunger strikes took a toll on his health Raine 12 hrs ago #22
Being held to account isn't being "cancelled " obamanut2012 9 hrs ago #24
Shouldn't there be more info before they cancel this ? JI7 10 hrs ago #23
This is going to be very embarrassing for him. BannonsLiver 5 hrs ago #26
Self-deleting here, as the story has now broken. WhiskeyGrinder 4 hrs ago #30

Ritabert

(2,358 posts)
1. Are all men involved in this BS behavior?
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 02:42 PM
Yesterday

EdmondDantes_

(1,719 posts)
4. Way too many of us are
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 02:52 PM
Yesterday

Without having specific allegations it's hard to know, but I think a lot of men, particularly in the past, took a lot advantage. He's long been described as being authoritarian in his organization which probably led to its success, but can suck to work under.

Ritabert

(2,358 posts)
10. Good points.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:18 PM
23 hrs ago

Redleg

(6,907 posts)
5. It seems more likely with powerful men but I don't know for sure
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:06 PM
Yesterday

I have never sexually abused anyone.

Ritabert

(2,358 posts)
13. I was groped on the Boston subway until he got an elbow in the ribs.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:21 PM
23 hrs ago

I was harassed by some male doctors I worked with at a hospital. Luckily they weren't my bosses and I ignored them.

David__77

(24,603 posts)
2. Someone unknown said something and they're changing their plans? Seems crazy.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 02:43 PM
Yesterday

LeftInTX

(34,196 posts)
19. It isn't one person...
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:50 PM
23 hrs ago

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,887 posts)
20. The moves that the UFW and other orgs are making indicate that there's fire behind the smoke they see. They're not
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 04:22 PM
22 hrs ago

fucking around.

Chasstev365

(7,669 posts)
3. Not saying it's not true, but what's the evidence,
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 02:49 PM
Yesterday

I'd like to see it before I judge.

W_HAMILTON

(10,318 posts)
6. He died over 30 years ago.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:14 PM
23 hrs ago

What happened between then and the last 30+ years to have them change their mind just this year?

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,887 posts)
8. Maybe seeing the calls across the country to hold Epstein perpetrators accountable?
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:16 PM
23 hrs ago

W_HAMILTON

(10,318 posts)
11. Is he an Epstein perpetrator?
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:19 PM
23 hrs ago

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,887 posts)
14. Not that I know of, why?
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:21 PM
23 hrs ago

Ritabert

(2,358 posts)
15. Maybe some victims came forward after all this Epstein stuff came out.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:22 PM
23 hrs ago

snot

(11,752 posts)
7. I care greatly about allegations like these, but
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:14 PM
23 hrs ago

I am so over the rule that says if anyone did anything bad, we have to cancel them, no matter how wonderful their contributions in other areas.

Can we please grow up and realize that humans are never either purely good or purely evil? Would anyone here really have wanted Pres. Clinton removed from office for accepting an extramarital blowjob?

I feel that we've too often allowed someone's failings to be used to remove them from history or from areas in which they could still be very helpful.

I don't care where human progress comes from; I don't care where the news comes from; all I care about is, is it genuinely helpful or informative?



WhiskeyGrinder

(26,887 posts)
9. I'm not a fan of, say, elementary schools being named after someone who has assaulted children. We can do better than
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:17 PM
23 hrs ago

that, I think.

Response to snot (Reply #7)

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,887 posts)
21. molesting just one kid is okay, but more than one is not?
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 08:15 PM
18 hrs ago

Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #21)

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,887 posts)
29. From the UFW Foundation:
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 10:03 AM
5 hrs ago
These disturbing allegations involve inappropriate behavior by Cesar Chavez with young women and minors, they are shocking, indefensible and something we are taking seriously.


https://ufwfoundation.org/statement-from-the-ufw-foundation/

OldBaldy1701E

(11,035 posts)
25. That seems to be a lot to ask of this society, these days.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 06:15 AM
8 hrs ago

yardwork

(69,282 posts)
28. Look at it another way, though.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 09:52 AM
5 hrs ago

Maybe society needs to push back hard on bad behavior in order to get people to change their ways.

If this private organization has some concerns about their namesake's behavior, I think the organization has both the right and obligation to decide their next steps. It's not government censorship.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,967 posts)
12. Smear anyone who did anything good for labor.
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:20 PM
23 hrs ago

And exalt anyone who is a ruling class bootlicker.

When are we going to figure this out?

Skittles

(171,400 posts)
16. repukes will clutch their pearls
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:22 PM
23 hrs ago

while supporting a multi-felon rapist seditious mass murderer

LeftInTX

(34,196 posts)
18. The foundation cancelled our local march about a month ago due to a "sensitive issue".
Tue Mar 17, 2026, 03:48 PM
23 hrs ago

Everyone was speculating. ICE at the march?
Chavez's issues with immigrants? (naa...that stuff is really old and well known)

I kinda thought maybe it was something like this.

Unlike other unions with plenty of infrastructure, UFW started out as a "rag tag" group. So, oversight, would be limited and if true, it would take awhile for victims to come forward.

Not saying it's true, not saying it's not true. But if you looking at UFW, I can see if it's true, that it took decades to surface.

Raine

(31,165 posts)
22. Chavez's continual hunger strikes took a toll on his health
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 02:50 AM
12 hrs ago

probably contributed to his death and the thanks he gets is being canceled!

obamanut2012

(29,328 posts)
24. Being held to account isn't being "cancelled "
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 05:57 AM
9 hrs ago

That is dismisdive of the victims. He became not a great guy by the end if his life, so I am not surprised.

JI7

(93,531 posts)
23. Shouldn't there be more info before they cancel this ?
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 04:19 AM
10 hrs ago

< We have not received any direct reports, and we do not have any firsthand knowledge of these allegations,” the union said. >

The comparisons to Epstein don't work here as there is a lot of evidence in that case .


BannonsLiver

(20,527 posts)
26. This is going to be very embarrassing for him.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 09:45 AM
5 hrs ago

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,887 posts)
30. Self-deleting here, as the story has now broken.
Wed Mar 18, 2026, 10:30 AM
4 hrs ago

new thread: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221105629

Original OP:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2026-03-17/la-me-cesar-chavez-allegations

The United Farmer Workers union said it will halt celebrations of its founder Cesar Chavez amid what the union described as “troubling allegations” against the iconic Chicano figure.

The union, in a statement released Tuesday, did not detail the accusations against Chavez but said they were concerning enough for the organization to take action. Several events around the country honoring Chavez have been canceled in recent weeks.

The claims against Chavez “are incompatible with our organization’s values. Some of the reports are family issues, and not our story to tell or our place to comment on. Far more troubling are allegations involving abuse of young women or minors. Allegations that very young women or girls may have been victimized are crushing. We have not received any direct reports, and we do not have any firsthand knowledge of these allegations,” the union said.

Canceling events, the union said, would “provide space for people who may have been victimized to find support and to share their stories if that is what they choose.”


Update:

https://www.expressnews.com/news/article/cesar-chavez-allegations-march-cancel-san-antonio-22080919.php
archive link: https://archive.ph/jN1Vu

The family of the late César Chávez, a farmworker organizer who became a national civil rights icon, is at the center of a mounting crisis involving allegations that he engaged in sexual relationships with women and at least one minor, according to interviews with former insiders and a historian.

The fallout has already led to the cancellation of public marches across the country and raised new questions about his public record.

In a statement released Tuesday, the United Farm Workers said it had learned of “deeply troubling allegations” that Chávez behaved in ways “incompatible with our organization’s values,” including claims involving “abuse of young women or minors.”

(snip)

Multiple sources told the San Antonio Express-News that a report by a national news publication is expected in the coming weeks and may be driving the cancellations of marches and the response.
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