Illinois Bill to Ban All Modern Firearms

[SecularMotion]

“The ISRA has learned from a credible source that Illinois Senate President John Cullerton will introduce a so called ‘assault weapons’ ban on Wednesday when the legislature returns for its ‘lame duck’ session. Cullerton hopes to ramrod the bill through and get it to Governor Quinn for signature by Friday. If he is successful at doing so, nearly every gun you currently own will be banned and will be subject to confiscation by the Illinois State Police . . .

“Based on what we know about Cullerton’s bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Pump action shotguns would be banned as well. This would be a very comprehensive ban that would include not only so-called ‘assault weapons’ but also such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols. There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering. You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.”

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/01/robert-farago/breaking-illinois-bill-to-ban-all-modern-firearms/

[GeorgeGist]

1. Great!

If only it was true.

[pipoman]

14. If only it was true,

next they would be taking your car if it will exceed 80 MPH, eh?

[Saturday]

2. I don't believe it. nt

[hobbit709]

3. Will the police have to turn theirs in too?

[Agnosticsherbet]

4. This will set in motion a collusion with the current crop of activist conservative Supreme Court

Justices. They will not return the U.S. to the original intent, but to the NRA's fraud job.

[Marinedem]

5. Remember folks,

The Grabbers will never want to take away your daddy's shotgun, or that 7 round pistol that grandpa brought back from dubya, dubya two.

No siree. The grabbers are masters of restraint and common sense. They only want the scariest, blackest rifles of the streets. You need not be worried about anybody taking away your duck gun or your antique pistols (Until after the scarier guns are gone, of course. Ban the fuck out of everything later!)

The next person that trys to tell me that the grabbers only want "Common sense" regulations and have no intention of infringing on the rights of "regular" gun owners can get bent. Shit like this shows what it's all about. Total control and regulation.

Truth be told though, I absolutely LOVE this type of legislation. It never passes, shows of the true intentions of statist grabbers, and strengthens the resolve of gun owners against future legislation, as they now see what the end-game is.

Carry on, Illinois. You already had more Americans killed within your borders last year than Afghanistan, but whatever.

[MichaelHarris]

15. calm down

Francis. (Warren Oats in Stripes)

[Robb]

6. We should be so lucky.

Anytime I see feathers flapping about "they're going to take yer M1!!!" I know it's time for hip waders.

[Atticus]

7. BEE ESSS!

The Illinois State Rifle Association, citing an unnamed but "credible" source says------------who gives a damn?

[cynatnite]

8. Yawn...nothing to back this up for one thing...

even if true, it wouldn't get past first base.

[appal_jack]

9. Quoting Marinedem's excellent response in a duplicate thread:

DU'er Marinedem analyzed this legislation perfectly in the GC & RKBA thread on this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117299298#post10

Rather than write some very similar-sounding words, I will just quote him, which began with the admonition "Remember folks," and continued:

The Grabbers will never want to take away your daddy's shotgun, or that 7 round pistol that grandpa brought back from dubya, dubya two.

No siree. The grabbers are masters of restraint and common sense. They only want the scariest, blackest rifles of the streets. You need not be worried about anybody taking away your duck gun or your antique pistols (Until after the scarier guns are gone, of course. Ban the fuck out of everything later!)

The next person that trys to tell me that the grabbers only want "Common sense" regulations and have no intention of infringing on the rights of "regular" gun owners can get bent. Shit like this shows what it's all about. Total control and regulation.

Truth be told though, I absolutely LOVE this type of legislation. It never passes, shows of the true intentions of statist grabbers, and strengthens the resolve of gun owners against future legislation, as they now see what the end-game is.

Carry on, Illinois. You already had more Americans killed within your borders last year than Afghanistan, but whatever.

-app

[ohiosmith]

23. This post was alerted on. Tick Tock! Update: The jury voted 4/2 to let the post stand.

At Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Quoting Marinedem's excellent response in a duplicate thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2119824

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Why is this post from RKBA out of that post and into GD? And why is there a gun nut on the loose retelling stories out of RKBA group where they can have their own fantasies.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jan 2, 2013, 06:26 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

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[FreakinDJ]

10. political theater - ain't never going to happen

[Sekhmets Daughter]

11. I read the comments on the linked site....

Until the NRA became a front for Murder, Inc. very few Americans feared their government. I'd be willing to bet that even today very few rational Americans fear their government. Of all the disturbing memes pushed by gun lovers the "fear your government" is by far the worst.

[AnOhioan]

12. Bunch of crap...right wing scare tactics.

[pipoman]

13. LOL

They just never get tired of loosing court cases and paying lawyers..

Further I wonder how exited the Illinois State Police are about door to door confiscations of guns...hopefully they tell Mr. Cullerton, "you first".

[Gidney N Cloyd]

16. Gee, I hope this isn't some rumor floated just to further boost gun sales and club dues.

Though the apparent fact that no genuine news organization has picked up the story might suggest this is the case.

[Kaleva]

17. An article by a pro-gun enthusiast designed to whip up other pro-gunners.

[Posteritatis]

18. As kids these days are wont to say, [citation needed].

[dballance]

19. True or Not I Hope it Gave Wayne LaDerriere a Stroke When he Read It /eom

[longship]

20. That does it! The law says nothing about trébuchet!

We need all public school teachers to be armed with trébuchet. That will put an end to these senseless killings.



That'll do it. No 20th (or 21st) century tech needs to be employed. In fact, the Trebuchet goes way back into the dark corners of history. The main advantage is that it takes several people to load and there is no possible 30 round magazine. It's one shot.

My favorite is the flaming piano shot.

Second Amendment rights!
Protect your family!
Trébuchets for everybody.

[Son of Gob]

21. LOL at the gun nuts heads exploding over a fake story.

Fucking pathetic bunch.

[slackmaster]

22. La La La La La La La

[Great Caesars Ghost]

24. It'll never be enforced.

No mention of penalties.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Read the text.

[X_Digger]

28. I have, have you?

(1) "Semi-automatic assault weapon" means:
...
(A)...
(B)...
(C)...
(C-1)...
(C-2) a semi-automatic rifle or a pistol with the capacity to accept a detachable magazine, a muzzle brake, or muzzle compensator;

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. If this was not tragic

They even provide the text.

They are looking at an outright ban of military style riffles and shotguns.

No, your hunting deer rife is not part of the deal.

Oh did I mention licensing?

But some folks *nra* will be up in arms.

[pipoman]

27. Actually it does

include my deer hunting rifle. The one my grandfather bought in 1954, he used it until he died. He was an avid deer hunter in Michigan and Wisconsin. My dad then started using it for deer hunting. I shot my first deer with it in 1978. I have used it since my dad passed away in 2000. My son shot his first deer with it in 2008. It has a detachable magazine and is semi automatic. Remington Model 740.

It looks exactly like this one..

(C-2) a semi-automatic rifle or a pistol with the
capacity to accept a detachable magazine, a muzzle
brake, or muzzle compensator;

Oh, and semiautomatic pistols with detachable magazines...missed that. This is simply the truth about gun control advocates wishes. Now this dolt has shown most anyone who believes the whole "reasonable restrictions" is what gun controllers generally believe to be reasonable...snick..

[Squatter]

29. Knee jerk wankers

It's time the American people just faced up to it - guns are there to stay!

[friendly_iconoclast]

30. UPDATE: Turns out it was true after all...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117299566

"Senate committee approves bans on assault weapons, large clips"

http://www.sj-r.com/thedome/x1665856929/Illinois-Senate-committee-approves-bans-on-guns-clips

I suspect the scoffers will shortly remember an urgent appointment...

[-..__...]

31. UPDATE: It failed!...

Such are the consequences when you bite off more than you can chew...

SPRINGFIELD — There’s not enough support in the Illinois Senate to impose tough new restrictions on semiautomatic weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.

In a setback for gun-control advocates in the wake of the killings of school children in Connecticut, the Illinois Senate was poised to adjourn Thursday without voting on two pieces of legislation aimed at limiting access to certain kinds of weapons and bullets.

Although the two proposals could emerge again when the legislature reconvenes next week, the lack of action shows the General Assembly remains divided on how to balance Second Amendment issues.

A spokeswoman for Senate President John Cullerton, D-Chicago, offered no timetable for when the gun safety proposals might surface again.

“We will take some time to work on these important issues to advance them in the near future,” Rikeesha Phelon noted in a message to reporters.

One proposal would restrict the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic weapons, including handguns and rifles.

The National Rifle Association lobbied against the measure, saying the ban would take as many as 50 percent of long guns off the market in Illinois. Gun manufacturers also said the proposal could force them to lay off workers.

http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/illinois/democrats-pull-plug-on-gun-ammo-bans/article_32f17fc4-55db-11e2-a7a7-001a4bcf887a.html

[friendly_iconoclast]

33. Well well well well well...looks like that wave of new gun laws we were promised...

...turned into an outgoing tide.

[closeupready]

32. Good to know they have time to waste on unenforceable laws.

Meanwhile, what are they doing about Illinois' mentally ill? Nothing, I'd bet.