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DavidDvorkin

(20,759 posts)
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 06:43 PM Yesterday

I find myself liking Giorgia Meloni

And America is allied with Russia against Europe.

And the Nationalists are the pro-China Taiwanese opposition party.

The world has gone mad.

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I find myself liking Giorgia Meloni (Original Post) DavidDvorkin Yesterday OP
I admire her for standing up to the fool MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #1
. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #2
She's a fascist, a bit to the right of Darth Vader, Ocelot II Yesterday #3
absolutely hookaleft 13 hrs ago #23
Maybe she and Rachele Mussolini will have you over for tea TheProle Yesterday #4
Wow. DavidDvorkin 20 hrs ago #19
Her politics is not the issue. It's her not putting up with TSF's lies and bullying when most still do. Good on her Deuxcents Yesterday #5
She's a fascist too. BlueTsunami2018 Yesterday #6
One of my best friends is a gay Italian expat who can't take his kids back to see their grandparents in Italy meadowlander Yesterday #7
It's amazing to me that getting into an ego fight with Trump makes someone "good" EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #10
No one's saying it makes her good. DavidDvorkin 22 hrs ago #14
And yet you like her because of a minor dispute she has with Trump EdmondDantes_ 21 hrs ago #15
I like that aspect of her and I like her for the moment DavidDvorkin 20 hrs ago #18
'I thought the cynical lightheartedness was obvious. ' Intractable 20 hrs ago #20
I'm not sure her domestic politics are my concern being that I'm not Italian fujiyamasan 21 hrs ago #17
Fascism is everyone's concern. BlueTsunami2018 13 hrs ago #22
This message was self-deleted by its author LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #8
Raise your hand ✋ if you STAND with Giorgia Meloni against Trump LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #9
Love hate SuzyandPuffpuff Yesterday #11
She's as bad as Trump. RandySF Yesterday #12
Oh, I know that DavidDvorkin 22 hrs ago #13
At least she's not a stooge for Putin fujiyamasan 21 hrs ago #16
Well, she good looking. Intractable 20 hrs ago #21
A few days ago I made this comment about the Italian prime minister jmowreader 8 hrs ago #24
I've read that Mussolini didn't actually make the trains run on time DavidDvorkin 7 hrs ago #25
Yikes. She's terrible. themaguffin 7 hrs ago #26
Yes, she is, but she deserves credit for her current reaction to Trump. DavidDvorkin 7 hrs ago #28
bring back shame WhiskeyGrinder 7 hrs ago #27
I think maybe you need to do a bit more research NoRethugFriends 7 hrs ago #29
Problematic Politics aside... LessAspin 7 hrs ago #30
Cut DavidDvorkin some slack, peoplez. He probably should have made it clear that he likes Giorgia Meloni generalbetrayus 7 hrs ago #31
You're right; I should have specified that DavidDvorkin 1 hr ago #33
She is, perhaps, the world's current most skilled politician: She is also an open and proud Fascist SorellaLaBefana 5 hrs ago #32

Ocelot II

(131,777 posts)
3. She's a fascist, a bit to the right of Darth Vader,
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 06:58 PM
Yesterday

but at least she's standing up to Trump so I'll give her that. She's not someone we should actually like, though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgia_Meloni

hookaleft

(1,255 posts)
23. absolutely
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 06:24 AM
13 hrs ago

Meloni is a conservative and right-wing populist who is also a critic of globalism. She is opposed to euthanasia, same-sex marriage, and same-sex parenting, stating that nuclear families are exclusively headed by male–female pairs. Meloni supported (but never enacted) a naval blockade to halt illegal immigration, and she has been described as xenophobic and Islamophobic by some critics. A supporter of NATO, she maintains Eurosceptic views regarding the European Union (EU), views she describes as "Eurorealist". She favoured improved relations with Russia before the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, which she condemned, pledging to keep sending arms to Ukraine. In 2024, Forbes ranked Meloni as the third-most-powerful woman in the world and she was listed amongst the most influential people in the world by Time magazine, while Politico ranked her as the most powerful person in Europe in 202

Deuxcents

(28,177 posts)
5. Her politics is not the issue. It's her not putting up with TSF's lies and bullying when most still do. Good on her
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:07 PM
Yesterday

BlueTsunami2018

(5,135 posts)
6. She's a fascist too.
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:18 PM
Yesterday

I swear, the worst people get a glow up just for calling Piss an asshole.

She’s terrible.

meadowlander

(5,178 posts)
7. One of my best friends is a gay Italian expat who can't take his kids back to see their grandparents in Italy
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:30 PM
Yesterday

because they can't get a passport that recognises him and his partner as the kids' parents.

So yeah, she's fab

EdmondDantes_

(2,272 posts)
10. It's amazing to me that getting into an ego fight with Trump makes someone "good"
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:36 PM
Yesterday

She's objectively a horrible person.

EdmondDantes_

(2,272 posts)
15. And yet you like her because of a minor dispute she has with Trump
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 09:53 PM
21 hrs ago

That shouldn't override the 95+% of things they are in lock step on to make you like her. You shouldn't like a fascist just because she doesn't want to be seen as begging for a picture when she's homophobic, anti-immigrant, etc.

DavidDvorkin

(20,759 posts)
18. I like that aspect of her and I like her for the moment
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 10:43 PM
20 hrs ago

I thought the cynical lightheartedness was obvious. I also thought it was the right that had no sense of humor, especially about themselves.

fujiyamasan

(2,165 posts)
17. I'm not sure her domestic politics are my concern being that I'm not Italian
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 10:31 PM
21 hrs ago

All I know is she’s pushing back on Trump better than many so called liberal European leaders.

BlueTsunami2018

(5,135 posts)
22. Fascism is everyone's concern.
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 05:45 AM
13 hrs ago

No matter where it’s happening.

To be unconcerned with it seems crazy to me.

Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

SuzyandPuffpuff

(775 posts)
11. Love hate
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:36 PM
Yesterday

She's just stating facts. I don't like her politics but she's just stating facts. Facts be facts. 😆

DavidDvorkin

(20,759 posts)
13. Oh, I know that
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 09:33 PM
22 hrs ago

I have no illusions about her. But right now, for the moment, I like her.

fujiyamasan

(2,165 posts)
16. At least she's not a stooge for Putin
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 10:27 PM
21 hrs ago

She also didn’t start an idiotic war against Iran… and doesn’t have her own geatapo rounding up citizens…

I could keep going.

Trump is objectively worse on almost every measure. And Italian politics are of no concern to me.

Intractable

(2,563 posts)
21. Well, she good looking.
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 11:14 PM
20 hrs ago

That's called damning with faint praise.

Politically, she was an ally of Trump.

jmowreader

(53,537 posts)
24. A few days ago I made this comment about the Italian prime minister
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:15 AM
8 hrs ago

"The only substantive difference between Benito Mussolini and Giorgia Meloni is Meloni wears lipstick." The woman is a literal, card-carrying Italian Fascist.

The thing is, Mussolini wouldn't have liked Trump either. They say Mussolini made the trains run on time. Trump would shut down the trains in a heartbeat if he thought there was money in it for him.

DavidDvorkin

(20,759 posts)
25. I've read that Mussolini didn't actually make the trains run on time
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:48 AM
7 hrs ago

He made everyone terrified of contradicting him when he claimed that the trains were running on time.

LessAspin

(2,102 posts)
30. Problematic Politics aside...
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:56 AM
7 hrs ago

She has proven to be a a good judge of character.

Given her unwavering support of Zelensky and utter contempt for Trump 🚯

generalbetrayus

(2,061 posts)
31. Cut DavidDvorkin some slack, peoplez. He probably should have made it clear that he likes Giorgia Meloni
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:59 AM
7 hrs ago

for attacking Trump only, but that's how I took it when I read the post. The comments were informative, however, if overwrought in some cases. Just sayin'.

DavidDvorkin

(20,759 posts)
33. You're right; I should have specified that
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 06:15 PM
1 hr ago

I assumed -- wrongly, as it turned out -- that such a post here on DU would be interpreted correctly.

SorellaLaBefana

(538 posts)
32. She is, perhaps, the world's current most skilled politician: She is also an open and proud Fascist
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 02:29 PM
5 hrs ago

Besides her admirable political skill, she also has courage.

Might want to take a look at the history of her rise to power.

Even going no deeper than wikipedia makes it clear what sort of a world view she supports

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