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DavidDvorkin

(20,829 posts)
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 06:43 PM Jun 22

I find myself liking Giorgia Meloni

And America is allied with Russia against Europe.

And the Nationalists are the pro-China Taiwanese opposition party.

The world has gone mad.

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I find myself liking Giorgia Meloni (Original Post) DavidDvorkin Jun 22 OP
I admire her for standing up to the fool MustLoveBeagles Jun 22 #1
. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 22 #2
She's a fascist, a bit to the right of Darth Vader, Ocelot II Jun 22 #3
absolutely hookaleft Jun 23 #23
Maybe she and Rachele Mussolini will have you over for tea TheProle Jun 22 #4
Wow. DavidDvorkin Jun 22 #19
Her politics is not the issue. It's her not putting up with TSF's lies and bullying when most still do. Good on her Deuxcents Jun 22 #5
She's a fascist too. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 22 #6
One of my best friends is a gay Italian expat who can't take his kids back to see their grandparents in Italy meadowlander Jun 22 #7
It's amazing to me that getting into an ego fight with Trump makes someone "good" EdmondDantes_ Jun 22 #10
No one's saying it makes her good. DavidDvorkin Jun 22 #14
And yet you like her because of a minor dispute she has with Trump EdmondDantes_ Jun 22 #15
I like that aspect of her and I like her for the moment DavidDvorkin Jun 22 #18
'I thought the cynical lightheartedness was obvious. ' Intractable Jun 22 #20
I'm not sure her domestic politics are my concern being that I'm not Italian fujiyamasan Jun 22 #17
Fascism is everyone's concern. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 23 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author LetMyPeopleVote Jun 22 #8
Raise your hand ✋ if you STAND with Giorgia Meloni against Trump LetMyPeopleVote Jun 22 #9
Love hate SuzyandPuffpuff Jun 22 #11
She's as bad as Trump. RandySF Jun 22 #12
Oh, I know that DavidDvorkin Jun 22 #13
At least she's not a stooge for Putin fujiyamasan Jun 22 #16
Well, she good looking. Intractable Jun 22 #21
A few days ago I made this comment about the Italian prime minister jmowreader Jun 23 #24
I've read that Mussolini didn't actually make the trains run on time DavidDvorkin Jun 23 #25
Yikes. She's terrible. themaguffin Jun 23 #26
Yes, she is, but she deserves credit for her current reaction to Trump. DavidDvorkin Jun 23 #28
bring back shame WhiskeyGrinder Jun 23 #27
I think maybe you need to do a bit more research NoRethugFriends Jun 23 #29
Problematic Politics aside... LessAspin Jun 23 #30
Cut DavidDvorkin some slack, peoplez. He probably should have made it clear that he likes Giorgia Meloni generalbetrayus Jun 23 #31
You're right; I should have specified that DavidDvorkin Jun 23 #33
She is, perhaps, the world's current most skilled politician: She is also an open and proud Fascist SorellaLaBefana Jun 23 #32

Ocelot II

(132,103 posts)
3. She's a fascist, a bit to the right of Darth Vader,
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 06:58 PM
Jun 22

but at least she's standing up to Trump so I'll give her that. She's not someone we should actually like, though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgia_Meloni

hookaleft

(1,575 posts)
23. absolutely
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 06:24 AM
Jun 23

Meloni is a conservative and right-wing populist who is also a critic of globalism. She is opposed to euthanasia, same-sex marriage, and same-sex parenting, stating that nuclear families are exclusively headed by male–female pairs. Meloni supported (but never enacted) a naval blockade to halt illegal immigration, and she has been described as xenophobic and Islamophobic by some critics. A supporter of NATO, she maintains Eurosceptic views regarding the European Union (EU), views she describes as "Eurorealist". She favoured improved relations with Russia before the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, which she condemned, pledging to keep sending arms to Ukraine. In 2024, Forbes ranked Meloni as the third-most-powerful woman in the world and she was listed amongst the most influential people in the world by Time magazine, while Politico ranked her as the most powerful person in Europe in 202

Deuxcents

(28,526 posts)
5. Her politics is not the issue. It's her not putting up with TSF's lies and bullying when most still do. Good on her
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:07 PM
Jun 22

BlueTsunami2018

(5,171 posts)
6. She's a fascist too.
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:18 PM
Jun 22

I swear, the worst people get a glow up just for calling Piss an asshole.

She’s terrible.

meadowlander

(5,212 posts)
7. One of my best friends is a gay Italian expat who can't take his kids back to see their grandparents in Italy
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:30 PM
Jun 22

because they can't get a passport that recognises him and his partner as the kids' parents.

So yeah, she's fab

EdmondDantes_

(2,404 posts)
10. It's amazing to me that getting into an ego fight with Trump makes someone "good"
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:36 PM
Jun 22

She's objectively a horrible person.

EdmondDantes_

(2,404 posts)
15. And yet you like her because of a minor dispute she has with Trump
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 09:53 PM
Jun 22

That shouldn't override the 95+% of things they are in lock step on to make you like her. You shouldn't like a fascist just because she doesn't want to be seen as begging for a picture when she's homophobic, anti-immigrant, etc.

DavidDvorkin

(20,829 posts)
18. I like that aspect of her and I like her for the moment
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 10:43 PM
Jun 22

I thought the cynical lightheartedness was obvious. I also thought it was the right that had no sense of humor, especially about themselves.

fujiyamasan

(2,312 posts)
17. I'm not sure her domestic politics are my concern being that I'm not Italian
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 10:31 PM
Jun 22

All I know is she’s pushing back on Trump better than many so called liberal European leaders.

BlueTsunami2018

(5,171 posts)
22. Fascism is everyone's concern.
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 05:45 AM
Jun 23

No matter where it’s happening.

To be unconcerned with it seems crazy to me.

Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

SuzyandPuffpuff

(839 posts)
11. Love hate
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:36 PM
Jun 22

She's just stating facts. I don't like her politics but she's just stating facts. Facts be facts. 😆

DavidDvorkin

(20,829 posts)
13. Oh, I know that
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 09:33 PM
Jun 22

I have no illusions about her. But right now, for the moment, I like her.

fujiyamasan

(2,312 posts)
16. At least she's not a stooge for Putin
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 10:27 PM
Jun 22

She also didn’t start an idiotic war against Iran… and doesn’t have her own geatapo rounding up citizens…

I could keep going.

Trump is objectively worse on almost every measure. And Italian politics are of no concern to me.

Intractable

(2,674 posts)
21. Well, she good looking.
Mon Jun 22, 2026, 11:14 PM
Jun 22

That's called damning with faint praise.

Politically, she was an ally of Trump.

jmowreader

(53,616 posts)
24. A few days ago I made this comment about the Italian prime minister
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:15 AM
Jun 23

"The only substantive difference between Benito Mussolini and Giorgia Meloni is Meloni wears lipstick." The woman is a literal, card-carrying Italian Fascist.

The thing is, Mussolini wouldn't have liked Trump either. They say Mussolini made the trains run on time. Trump would shut down the trains in a heartbeat if he thought there was money in it for him.

DavidDvorkin

(20,829 posts)
25. I've read that Mussolini didn't actually make the trains run on time
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:48 AM
Jun 23

He made everyone terrified of contradicting him when he claimed that the trains were running on time.

LessAspin

(2,197 posts)
30. Problematic Politics aside...
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:56 AM
Jun 23

She has proven to be a a good judge of character.

Given her unwavering support of Zelensky and utter contempt for Trump 🚯

generalbetrayus

(2,126 posts)
31. Cut DavidDvorkin some slack, peoplez. He probably should have made it clear that he likes Giorgia Meloni
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 11:59 AM
Jun 23

for attacking Trump only, but that's how I took it when I read the post. The comments were informative, however, if overwrought in some cases. Just sayin'.

DavidDvorkin

(20,829 posts)
33. You're right; I should have specified that
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 06:15 PM
Jun 23

I assumed -- wrongly, as it turned out -- that such a post here on DU would be interpreted correctly.

SorellaLaBefana

(544 posts)
32. She is, perhaps, the world's current most skilled politician: She is also an open and proud Fascist
Tue Jun 23, 2026, 02:29 PM
Jun 23

Besides her admirable political skill, she also has courage.

Might want to take a look at the history of her rise to power.

Even going no deeper than wikipedia makes it clear what sort of a world view she supports

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