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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMany of my neighbors are Jews
They are always friendly. Always engaged. Always putting up pro-Democratic signs.
I had a roommate who was Jewish. I worked with Jews, befriended them. All really cool people.
I see Jewphobia on the rise, and it breaks my heart. It's unacceptable. I'm opposed to any Jewphobe, automatically.
lame54
(40,412 posts)struggle4progress
(127,126 posts)mopinko
(74,225 posts)and i dont see ppl just opposing bibi. its apparently fine to oppose the country, and all the ppl in it.
thats hate.
mainer
(12,636 posts)The Jewish friends I have are all fervently anti-Bibi and appalled by IDF actions.
hlthe2b
(115,156 posts)Conflating the latter with antisemitism is incredibly problematic-- self-defeating to the goal of fighting true hate directed at Jewish people. Most see that. Not all.
mopinko
(74,225 posts)sorry, it is. oppose the war, oppose bibi, but oppose the country? yeah, no.
israel exists. zionism is over. do u want to see it destroyed? cuz thats what that word means.
mainer
(12,636 posts)"Zionism[a] is an ethnocultural nationalist[1] movement that emerged in late 19th-century Europe to establish and support a Jewish homeland through colonization in the region of Palestine,[2] which roughly corresponds to the Land of Israel in Judaismitself central to Jewish history.[3] Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.[4][5]"
One can certainly oppose this movement without being antiSemitic.
mopinko
(74,225 posts)that is just blatant propaganda w almost no basis in history.
mopinko
(74,225 posts)push the jews onto the sea?
mainer
(12,636 posts)It's about objecting to the erasure and dehumanization of Palestinians.
mopinko
(74,225 posts)cuz theyre the 1 whose charter calls for the extermination of the jews.
theyre the 1s who have been offered many peace plans and either refused them or literally blew them up.
as always, lies about the jews r rampant. esp lies about the history.
read more.
mainer
(12,636 posts)I dont know anyone who doesnt. But that doesnt excuse the erasure of Palestinians.
AloeVera
(4,616 posts)Yes....
Here is some good reading, recommended by respected historians and academics. I recommend The 100 Years War on Palestine, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine and Tolerance Is A Wasteland to start.
https://theconversation.com/10-books-to-help-you-understand-israel-and-palestine-recommended-by-experts-217783
Nanjeanne
(6,805 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 23, 2026, 05:07 PM - Edit history (1)
You might find it interesting and enlightening.
Levy, on the other hand, says Zionism has never been reformable, because the movement, from its very beginning, started wrong, without the belief or the conviction that we can live together. He contests Bartovs assertion that early Zionist intentions became warped over the 20th century, and says instead that the violent dispossession of Palestinians is embedded into the premise of the movement. This very same attitude, this very same policy never stopped ever since 48, Levy contends. His latest piece in Haaretz is titled Zionism Didnt Go Wrong, It Was Always Built This Way.
I do think, however, that Zionism, as it has evolved and what it has become now, is no longer supportable. I dont think that one can reform it anymore. And I think that the state of Israel, if it wants to become again a normal state, if it wants to be a member of the international community, it must discard Zionism, it must put it on the garbage heap of history, and it must redefine itself, going all the way back to 1948. In other words, it has to find a way, together with Palestinians, of how these two groups that live there 7 million Jews and 7 million Palestinians how they can share the space.
https://www.democracynow.org/2026/5/15/omer_bartov_gideon_levy_israel_zionism]
The whole discussion is absolutely fascinating and thoughtful and informative. Of course one would have to want to hear such honest discussion by two award winning Jewish scholars.
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MineralMan
(152,011 posts)I could say the same about them. Almost all who can vote vote for Democrats. I also have many Hmong neighbors. They also vote for Democrats. Most of them who are Christian are protestants. Others adhere to traditional religious beliefs, about which i know very little.
Anti-Islamic prejudice is out there, too. Again, a similar situation, and often, it's the same people who are antisemitic. Anti-Hmong sentiment also runs strong and again, from the same people who hate Jews and Muslims. Maybe the rest of us should try to get along, eh?
Isn't that interesting?
mr715
(4,806 posts)mcar
(46,536 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(183,810 posts)Antisemitism is on the rise and I am scared.
mopinko
(74,225 posts)i live in a very jewish area. my admiration for the community here is boundless.
this shit never made sense to me, but i guess hate only makes sense to haters.
the part where so much that is being said is the same old shit w a new coat of paint is just 🙄🙄🙄
TVguyCards
(73 posts)At this stage so late in the game I don't see this conversation being beneficial.
People will have their minds made up and thoughts alongside opinions are rock solid and unchangeable over the actions Israel is committing. It's very sad what's happening on now all 3 sides of the aisle which now includes Lebanon.
My personal beliefs and opinion is this --
Bibi is a war criminal and should be sent to The Hague. His actions are not reflective of the Jewish people as a whole and it's awful how some can't separate the 2. Sadly what's now happening in Lebanon is making it worse and of course is so is the settler violence happening in places like the Golan Heights.
I wish people would come together in solidarity to make the lives of others better. If people changed their positioning from hate to love with true dedication to ending things like poverty in the name of humanity the world would be a much kinder and nicer place.