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Grade the speech. I'd give it an A+ (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2012 OP
Michael Moore is giving it an A- highplainsdem Jan 2012 #1
That very high from Michael and I agree. The Wielding Truth Jan 2012 #4
Five Star Speech. vanlassie Jan 2012 #2
Howard Fineman: "This is one of president's best, most combative, substantive, politically shrewd highplainsdem Jan 2012 #3
I don't know how he could do any better. A+ deacon Jan 2012 #5
A+. Nt DevonRex Jan 2012 #6
I give it a strong A, not quite an A+... Spazito Jan 2012 #7
A SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #8
Good, solid speech. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #9
Solid A. Not A+! I do not appreciate the President blaming BOTH sides for the gridlock in D.C. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #10
Candy Crowley thought he did a great job. Dear God, where are the flying pigs?? n/t monmouth Jan 2012 #11
Meh. C- BlueIris Jan 2012 #12
... CakeGrrl Jan 2012 #55
"the snide condescension I usually hear when he speaks". Arkana Jan 2012 #71
B+. Really lost me with endorsing private companies being involved with health care mvd Jan 2012 #13
I'll give it a: C unkachuck Jan 2012 #14
Admittedly, I wanted the middle class discussion to go beyond.. mvd Jan 2012 #17
myself, I wish he would quit defining the middle class as hfojvt Jan 2012 #44
It reminded me too much of Reagan's "Morning in America" Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #43
A++ nanabugg Jan 2012 #15
That is why I quit watching the SOTU joeglow3 Jan 2012 #24
Gentleman's C. Against the populist calls must be coalition_unwilling Jan 2012 #16
A gentleman's C would be the highest grade any of these president characters ever got from me. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #42
A Johnny2X2X Jan 2012 #18
Home Run nt Cognitive_Resonance Jan 2012 #19
Another Home Run, President Obama is like the Bambino, without the strikeouts mikekohr Jan 2012 #22
Yes, it was! highplainsdem Jan 2012 #29
and Mitch Daniels got a bunt hit. DCBob Jan 2012 #31
Mitch Daniels struck out looking. Scuba Jan 2012 #58
A- for the first two points on the war of lies. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #20
agreed. it was the perfect tone given the situation. DCBob Jan 2012 #21
A+, most leftist policy proposals in one speech that he's ever done. joshcryer Jan 2012 #23
A- . . . very good work. Not perfect but pretty damn good n/t RZM Jan 2012 #25
A+ arely staircase Jan 2012 #26
Agreed. They're no match for him. highplainsdem Jan 2012 #34
Heres a good metric: John Stossel on Faux just said "Obama was the better salesman" DCBob Jan 2012 #27
A (took the + away for the milk joke). tallahasseedem Jan 2012 #28
A. (not A+) Solid A, though. Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #30
A Skinner Jan 2012 #32
Agreed. n/t Scurrilous Jan 2012 #33
He really did hit it out of the ballpark. Denver Progressive Jan 2012 #35
A- (drill baby drill was a deduction for me) Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #36
With you on that. Melissa G Jan 2012 #64
Did you see the sour puss look on Cantors face? JitterbugPerfume Jan 2012 #37
yes and it really made me wonder BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #67
Agreed! DU Rec. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #38
A for Awesome madamesilverspurs Jan 2012 #39
A solid A boxman15 Jan 2012 #40
B+ ellisonz Jan 2012 #41
Why? hfojvt Jan 2012 #45
Did you watch the enhanced version? His speech was basically talored for it. joshcryer Jan 2012 #47
I would give it an A myself VKaz Jan 2012 #46
Unless there's progressive action ... T S Justly Jan 2012 #48
B+ dooner Jan 2012 #49
In baseball parlance he hit a stand-up triple Brother Buzz Jan 2012 #50
A for Obama and C for Boehner as he looked constipated during cstanleytech Jan 2012 #51
I would give it an A sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #52
Agree completely eridani Jan 2012 #57
I didn't watch it, but I have no doubt he did a good, nay magnificent speech tavalon Jan 2012 #53
A+++ scardycat Jan 2012 #54
Definitely an A for what he said... ejbr Jan 2012 #56
Solid A from me nevergiveup Jan 2012 #59
Gutsy. AngryAmish Jan 2012 #60
A ZenLefty Jan 2012 #61
C kentuck Jan 2012 #62
Can't Grade deaniac21 Jan 2012 #63
I don't know what grade I'd give it. geardaddy Jan 2012 #65
I'd give it an O for Bama. Kablooie Jan 2012 #66
Excellent Napoleon838 Jan 2012 #68
B+ Broderick Jan 2012 #69
An absolute A+; Pres. Obama is wonderful at rhetoric and public speaking. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #70
Grade the speech? A LiberalLovinLug Jan 2012 #72
What did they do back when I was in H/S? Puglover Jan 2012 #73
A+ from me and the family. jwirr Jan 2012 #74
Generally, A+. TheWraith Jan 2012 #75

highplainsdem

(48,975 posts)
3. Howard Fineman: "This is one of president's best, most combative, substantive, politically shrewd
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:28 PM
Jan 2012

speeches. Progressive but centrist, partisan but sensible."

From Twitter:

http://twitter.com/howardfineman/status/162005243318636544

Spazito

(50,332 posts)
7. I give it a strong A, not quite an A+...
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:29 PM
Jan 2012

a barn burner of a SOTU address never the less. Enjoyed it very much especially the sour lemon faces of the repubs, their faces were the dessert after a very substantive meal.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
10. Solid A. Not A+! I do not appreciate the President blaming BOTH sides for the gridlock in D.C.
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:31 PM
Jan 2012

This is all about Republican obstructionism.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
12. Meh. C-
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:32 PM
Jan 2012

Primarily for the painful lack of specifics, a typical problem for this president. I was also annoyed, even offended, by his obvious disengagement, and the snide condescension I usually hear when he speaks. Wasn't surprised by the lackluster response from the audience either. Those people know what is going to happen next, and they are not happy about it.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
55. ...
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:54 AM
Jan 2012

Given your enduring wish that he step aside, I would've expected an F. I guess that's indicative of his success.

Someone who isn't predisposed to hearing "snide condescension" where there is none might consider that the "lackluster" response was because he called the GOP out on their obstructionist shit and they knew it.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
71. "the snide condescension I usually hear when he speaks".
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jan 2012

Thanks for buying into the mother of all GOP talking points. Whatever you may think of Barack Obama, the last thing he is is snide and condescending.

mvd

(65,173 posts)
13. B+. Really lost me with endorsing private companies being involved with health care
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:34 PM
Jan 2012

More combative than usual, but didn't dis-spell all my criticisms.

mvd

(65,173 posts)
17. Admittedly, I wanted the middle class discussion to go beyond..
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:39 PM
Jan 2012

just comparing tax rates for the middle class and rich. I also am a bit worried about the Iran rhetoric. Overall, I thought it made a lot of good points, though. Infrastructure, mortgage relief, clean energy, etc.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
44. myself, I wish he would quit defining the middle class as
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:28 AM
Jan 2012

"households making less than $250,000 a year"

Uhm, only 2% of households make over $250,000. Those in the 85th to 98th percentile are not in the "middle", not even close.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
43. It reminded me too much of Reagan's "Morning in America"
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:19 AM
Jan 2012

although the part about not giving any more $$$$ to bad banks was OK. Not that they really need any more than the trillion$$$$ they've already got from Uncle Sugar, though.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
15. A++
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:34 PM
Jan 2012

Audience C+ Including Democrats. There were times when they should have been standing on their feet yelling like hell. Had it been Bush, the Rethugs would still be yelling and applauding.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
24. That is why I quit watching the SOTU
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:46 PM
Jan 2012

I hate hearing both sides get up a yell or boo every other sentence. Shut up and listen to what he has to say. I have decided it is much better to read the speech.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
16. Gentleman's C. Against the populist calls must be
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:36 PM
Jan 2012

balanced the national chauvinism and saber-rattling.

The Gettysburg Address this ain't.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
42. A gentleman's C would be the highest grade any of these president characters ever got from me.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:08 AM
Jan 2012

Nice cogent dozen-word summary, by the way:

Against the populist calls must be balanced the national chauvinism and saber-rattling.

And the perpetual growth ideology, and the rigorous adherence to the idea that government exists to serve private capital (in this case: if it's semi-civilized), but should avoid if possible ever hiring anyone in the public sector ever again. These are, of course, perennials, but some will want to take me to task for being so impolite as to still notice such things when the president is a D.

Johnny2X2X

(19,064 posts)
18. A
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:41 PM
Jan 2012

A fantastic speech that will boost him in the polls and really challenges Republicans to come up with their own ideas. It was a great great speech and this will leave Republicans reeling in the coming weeks.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
23. A+, most leftist policy proposals in one speech that he's ever done.
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:45 PM
Jan 2012

Yes, this is left of any of his 2008 speeches policy-wise.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
27. Heres a good metric: John Stossel on Faux just said "Obama was the better salesman"
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:48 PM
Jan 2012

as compared to Mitch Daniels.

Denver Progressive

(120 posts)
35. He really did hit it out of the ballpark.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:31 AM
Jan 2012

He put the republicans to shame. I liked what I heard tonight. Go Obama!!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
36. A- (drill baby drill was a deduction for me)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:33 AM
Jan 2012

and the fracking crap, plus medicare and social security are on the table again and more offshore drilling



He did a great job but there are some things in there I wish he had left out.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
64. With you on that.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:04 AM
Jan 2012

Adding: The emphasis on private sector health care was another slam against the public option.
While the delivery was excellent and the political savvy high, the progressive substance did not rate as well. B+ for a Dem, A, if he was a Republican.

Noting: One of Obama's favorite devices is to out-Republican, Republicans. He tends to put their ideas on the table first. I don't think this actually works as well in Washington as he thinks it does.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
67. yes and it really made me wonder
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:36 PM
Jan 2012

what is wrong with a human being who is clearly against helping people, fair pay, fair taxation, encouraging job growth, rebuilding infrastructure, ending rewards for outsourcing and robbery? Boner, too...I noticed what he applauded and what he didn't.....

just crazy.


I only wish, when Obama was talking about FDR's years and post WWII compared to now, asking what's different. My immediate thought was that back in those days, traitors intent on rallying hatred against the enemy and destroying the nation, like the propagandists of WWII, were NOT blasting the airwaves 24/7 with messages encouraging violence against fellow US citizens!

boxman15

(1,033 posts)
40. A solid A
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:55 AM
Jan 2012

His milk joke was lame. Michelle had this "Oh God that was terrible" look on her face afterward.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
41. B+
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:39 AM
Jan 2012

Some of was a little too boiler-plate. He kinda wandered on education and energy. I thought he could have devoted more time to health insurance reform and made a direct comment on the Tucson shooting. The hug of Giffords was nice, but there were other victims of that day too, and there are victims of gun violence every day. He didn't discuss the political situation in Mexico at all, although he did discuss immigration in broad terms. I'm looking forward to Jacob Lew really getting into the swing, because Bill Daley hasn't been effective.

Overall though it was a very good political speech, though perhaps not so much on policy. I think he certainly put the fear in Mittens, Noot, and the Congressional Republicans.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
45. Why?
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:32 AM
Jan 2012

Myself, I got bored by at least 8:40. Too many proposals that I was unsure of without specifics. Like business tax cuts to create jobs.

And other proposals and rhetoric that I just plain do not like - like the stupid payroll tax cut for the rich. And entitlement reform? He still wants to cut social security and medicare?

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
47. Did you watch the enhanced version? His speech was basically talored for it.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:42 AM
Jan 2012

If you go to whitehouse channel on YouTube or the WhiteHouse.gov website you can see the replay.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
51. A for Obama and C for Boehner as he looked constipated during
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:25 AM
Jan 2012

the speech probably because there was little to nothing he could refute about to the president not that he wont try to spin it still.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
52. I would give it an A
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:40 AM
Jan 2012

first because we heard none of the'deficit/shared sacrifice' or 'SS needs fixing' language that was so prevalent before OWS came into the picture.

I liked his remarks on education, especially the call to stop 'teaching to the test'. This seems to be against what Arne Duncan has been promoting and I hope it is the beginning of the end of NCLB.

I liked what he said about children who were brought here as babies and getting them on the path to citizenship.

Also especially what he said about prosecuting Wall St. criminals, that was most unexpected since he previously said what they did was 'immoral' rather than 'criminal' something that was very, very frustrating to many people.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
57. Agree completely
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 08:23 AM
Jan 2012

Given that this is an election year, actual followup could pay big dividends in November.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
53. I didn't watch it, but I have no doubt he did a good, nay magnificent speech
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:47 AM
Jan 2012

President Obama is a speechifier like no other. It's the follow through he sucks at.

scardycat

(169 posts)
54. A+++
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:53 AM
Jan 2012

He made me cry at the end when he said we should all be working together for the good of America. So moving.

nevergiveup

(4,760 posts)
59. Solid A from me
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:38 AM
Jan 2012

A tad long for my tastes but the ending made it worth it. It was likely the best SOTU I have heard and I go back to Eisenhower.

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
65. I don't know what grade I'd give it.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:08 PM
Jan 2012

I liked a lot of it, but the "We will leave every option open on Iran" and the fracking and drilling stuff scared me.

Napoleon838

(9 posts)
68. Excellent
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:53 PM
Jan 2012

I think that it was a great speech given! It shows that America is strong and ready to progress. I liked how he said he would not give up. Almost his entire speech I teared up thinking of the wonderful American values coming alive again, and Americans beginning to once again work as a team for the common good. After that speech I can now believe that America will one day be the best in the world again. I give the speech an A++.

Broderick

(4,578 posts)
69. B+
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:54 PM
Jan 2012

On delivery an A.


See, the reason I couldn't give it an A overall is that I was expecting rainbows and a unicorn for everyone. Clearly, he didn't even attempt to broach that subject.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
70. An absolute A+; Pres. Obama is wonderful at rhetoric and public speaking.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jan 2012

An absolute A+; Pres. Obama is wonderful at rhetoric and public speaking.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
72. Grade the speech? A
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:39 PM
Jan 2012

It is one of his strongest abilities.

It only highlights what influence he would've, could've, should've had if he had used the bully pulpit like this to go all out for a public option.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
73. What did they do back when I was in H/S?
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:08 PM
Jan 2012

C+over A.

If he delivers next semester he gets an A. If not C+.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
75. Generally, A+.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 05:39 PM
Jan 2012

There were a couple of places where I thought the segues between topics were kind of weak, particularly at the end where he went into the section about working together, but the rest of it was just too damn good.

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