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(7,768 posts)tell us more please!
Thanks!
tavernier
(12,383 posts)Powell laid out all the reasons why the "new" republican party are on their way down the toilet. He was very specific, not pulling any punches. He also said how disgusting it was that the repug party encouraged the disrespect to the president, using terms such as "shuck and jive" and "lazy". He put it right in DG's face.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)extreme part of their party's bad behavior. Where was his indignation in October?
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)of indignation against his party.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)His party has been attacking Obama for four years and he waits until after the election to "expose" them.
mucifer
(23,539 posts)It looks more impressive for President Obama to have republicans on his side than all democrats, especially right before the election.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)reputation. Powell's statement at the UN, holding up that vile defines him. It is in my opinion sad and pathetic that all those in power who botched the Iraq War who took us there for no reason are constantly rewarded while those who were correct about the invasion are dumped on.
Hagel and Powell helped Bush invade Iraq. I don't see that as good stuff. The fact that years later they regretted being so stupid, so lacking in insight does not alter the fact that when it mattered, both of them said 'Let's bomb the hell out of Iraq'.
It is pretty easy to say you regret a thing that went so badly as Iraq. It is the ability to know better prior to the death and destruction that should be the metric of talent to be rewarded.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)saw it on tv ...him with a large sat picture pointing to the trucks. Even I knew they weren't scud launcher.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)karynnj
(59,503 posts)them of the potential threat. At the time of the vote, there had been no inspections for 5 years - and before they left they were surprised that Iraq had as much as it did.
It helps ONLY the neo-cons to conflate an October 2002 vote - which Bush himself said was not a vote for war (in Cincinnati) with the decision in March 2003 to go to war. Powell was STILL speaking of the need to go to war then. Hillary Clinton was silent. Kerry argued that we should not rush to war AND said it would not be a war of last resort if we did. ( meaning to Catholics - it would be an immoral war.)
That said, it is better to speak out as Hagel did - even before 2004 - knowing that it helped Kerry to quote Hagel and Lugar - than not at all. Similarly, it is better to say what Powell is saying than what all the neo cons are still saying.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Millions of people fell for it, not even thinking that the President would concoct fake evidence to conduct a war of choice.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Are you trying to change history?
US Secretary of State Colin Powell reluctantly accepts the task of making the administrations case for war to the United Nations Security Council. He assigns his close friend and chief of staff Larry Wilkerson to go to the CIA and put together a team to craft a presentation. Though Powell has long harbored deep misgivings about the war, in public he has consistently and staunchly promoted the war, even when it came to repeating claims he knew to be false (see January 23, 2008). Powell also gives Wilkerson a 48-page report from the White House on Iraqs alleged arsenal of banned weapons. The report is meant to serve as the basis for Powells upcoming speech to the UN (see February 5, 2003). Powell, skeptical of the reports data, instructs Wilkerson to have it looked over by the CIA. The dossier was written primarily by two senior aides to Vice President Cheney, John Hannah and I. Lewis Libby (see January 25, 2003). [Bamford, 2004, pp. 368; Vanity Fair, 5/2004, pp. 281; Unger, 2007, pp. 275] The analysts at CIA will quickly determine that the documents are based on unreliable sources (see January 30-February 4, 2003). Speculation is already rampant throughout the State Department and among well-informed observers as to why Powell became such a reliable spokesman for the administrations war plans. A State Department official will echo the opinion of others in saying that Powell is completely aware of the machinations going on, but wants to avoid any sort of public dispute among top White House officialsand Powell wants to keep relations with Vice President Dick Cheney on an even keel. Author Craig Unger will later note, Regardless of what he really believed, Powell ultimately accommodated the White House to such an extent that he became the most articulate spokesman for the war effort.
We were so appalled at what had arrived from the White House, one official later says. [Vanity Fair, 5/2004, pp. 230] As another senior official (likely Wilkerson) will later recall, We went through that for about six hoursitem by item, page by page and about halfway through the day I realized this is idiocy, we cannot possibly do this, because it was all bullsh_tit was unsourced, a lot of it was just out of the newspapers, it wasand I look back in retrospectit was a [Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas] Feith product, it was a Scooter Libby product, it was a Vice Presidents office product. It was a product of collusion between that group. And it had no way of standing up, anywhere, I mean it was nuts. [Bamford, 2004, pp. 368-9]
Starting from Scratch - After several hours, Wilkerson and Tenet are both so fed up that they decide to scrap the WMD dossier entirely. Lets go back to the NIE, Tenet suggests, referring to the recently released National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq (see October 1, 2002). Wilkerson is not aware of how badly the NIE had been, in author Craig Ungers words, tampered with, but Powell should have known, as his own intelligence bureau in the State Department had disputed key elements of the NIE.
As the date for the UN presentation by Secretary of State Colin Powell approaches (see February 5, 2003), Vice President Dick Cheney gives Powell one reason why Powell is the choice to make the presentation: Your poll numbers are in the seventies. You can afford to lose a few points.
Powell had the power to stop the push for war, but instead chose to give credibility to the neocons plan. He was always the consummate yes man.
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?specific_cases_and_issues=powellsSpeech&timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)didn't that come from the filthy mouth of Sarah Palin? (dumb-ass of the North)
KG
(28,751 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)tavernier
(12,383 posts)Said he told the truth based on what was told to him, which turned out to be false. I do believe that. I don't believe his statement, "President Bush also tried to avoid war." I will never believe that.
niyad
(113,284 posts)he only knew what he was told? he didn't bother checking anything out for himself? wow, a new version of "I was just following orders", this being "I just did what I was told, even though I was the one in charge"
he should have been in prison long ago.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)No...that's not your expertise. You rely on those who do that for a living, then you take the cell phone, and believe that it's not actually a spy tool to track your movements and report them to someone. But the fact is, the latter could be the truth.
niyad
(113,284 posts)lying sob had to do was look at a newspaper from europe, or india, or anywhere but the worthless msm of this country.
so don't give me that crap about cell phones, as though that were even comparable. it was his F****** JOB to know the truth
Whisp
(24,096 posts)because we knew the sack of shit Bush and his PNACing fucks were lying.
go away Powell, go chew on your arm in penance you accessory to mass murder.
stopwastingmymoney
(2,041 posts)Orrex
(63,208 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Your post wasn't totally opaque, evidently Colin Powell is on the Meet the Press saying something or other that you agree with.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)He hardly ever tells the truth about anything until he is caught in his lies.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Autumn
(45,066 posts)Separation
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stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)he became Cheney's "boy" after that.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)Dick Cheney's house slave for decades. It is sad but that is an accurate description of their relationship. I imagine the race of both men played into their relationship because neither are ethically evolved human beings.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)from the time Powell helped cover up the Mai Lai Massacre up to and beyond the point where he lied our country into the war in Iraq. Powell sold himself to the Neo-Cons. He caused the death of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis at the bidding of his Boss. (I will use the word "Boss" even thought it does not actually describe their relationship).
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)i meant the word "boy" (please note quotes) in the very sense of the word you would have me not. Colin Powell was a NOTHING, a NOBODY before he came the rescue of Second Lieutenant William Calley. Cheney/Rumsfeld saw Powell as useful and snatched him up. He was seen as "one of the good ones". He said yes every time to any thing.
Anyone who would even ATTEMPT to cover up the mass murder of between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians is looking to be used. Powell got used. Powell got more work. Powell sold his soul. Hope he can sleep at night... wait- no, i don't.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I thought I was on Democratic Underground. WTF is that shit?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Snort.
Would you believe I'm a Sock Puppet?
malaise
(268,968 posts)underpants
(182,788 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)I have ever seen.
diddlysquat
(1,156 posts)tavernier
(12,383 posts)once Gregory challenged his standing as a republican. He laid out his interpretation of the party as it now stands, far to the right and led by people who are dumb asses. (my description... I don't remember his exact words).
I should have expected to be clubbed to death by mentioning his name, but regardless, it was one of the more interesting interviews I've seen on that show lately.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)even though you expected to take a beating.
I'm with you and a few others here, in that he didn't have to come out and say these things or endorse and tell the world that he voted for Obama...but he DID.
tavernier
(12,383 posts)Got any aspirin??
MissMarple
(9,656 posts)Do you always make such a stir? You have quite the cacaphonous conversation goin on here. But it is much better than being ignored. And some people around here simply cannot resist jumping all over Republicans, even ones who have seemingly recanted.
I checked your profile. Alan Rickman is one of my favorite actors, as well, as is Stephen Fry.
tavernier
(12,383 posts)And yeah, I do. Fools rush in, and all that.
Rickman? Saw him on stage in NYC, London and Dublin. Wore a Team Snape tee shirt to Wizarding World in Orlando and was subsequently given a tour of the castle by a robed guide who claimed to be "Head Girl of Slytherin." Yeah, I'm a geek.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Put the teabaggers in charge and he'd be singing their tune.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)He can yap on about the repigs, but he certainly wasn't too indignant while working for the Chimp, GWB. And he can bump his gums about the "MISTAKE' he made pushing the war on Iraq, but that doesn't change the fact that he DID it. He's guilty as hell, and a million "I regret it" just won't cut it.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)This is politics in America, not Utopiaville.
trumad
(41,692 posts)and thousands of innocent dead Iraqi's.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)and Bill "NAFTA" Clinton, as well as Hillary "I voted for the Iraq War!" Clinton, and John "I was against it before I was for it" Kerry.
A complex, thorough dupe was pulled on the American public AND Congress and W.H. staffers in the runup to the Iraq War. Powell was used as their stooge at the U.N. hearing. He was, after all, employed by teh administration...the choice was either to make the presentation, which Powell believed to be true since it came from the CIA, or to quit his job and be accused of betraying his President and his country.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)we can't really sustain our anti-Iraq War outrage. Every top position in the current administration has gone to supporters of that war, including Hagel. Opponents of the war have not even been considered, as far as I know.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Then fuck the murderous bastard. The blood of hundreds of thousands is directly attributable to him. He can go fuck himself.
patrice
(47,992 posts)didn't, has excused themselves from any criticism of Colin Powell &, yes, since we have collectively assented to something that we refer to as our armed forces, and as their opportunities to represent themselves in the matters known as orders, which are a fundamental trait of armed forces, are limited, their relationship to this particular issue is their own, that is not subject to my assessment of it.