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Wow! Colin Powell is telling the REAL TRUTH (Original Post) tavernier Jan 2013 OP
It doesn't come on in my time zone for hours! PearliePoo2 Jan 2013 #1
David Gregory challenged his "republican-ism" tavernier Jan 2013 #4
Ah yes. It's the new popular stand for "moderate Pukes" to cry about the... Walk away Jan 2013 #13
He endorsed Obama in October. I guess that's a pretty good show TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #18
So what. He endorsed the President in 2008 but he's still a lying sack of shit republican. Walk away Jan 2013 #25
I would not be surprised if the president asked him to stay republican mucifer Jan 2013 #32
When somebody does something good, I don't kick them. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #34
Like Hagel, Powell promoted the Iraq War for Bush then later felt that decision migh taint his Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #31
He's a liar. He pointed right at those oil tankers and called them "mobile scud launchers" ... L0oniX Jan 2013 #40
You mean like Hillary Clinton and John Kerry did? nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #41
You can't equate them to Powell, who was the one who convinced karynnj Jan 2013 #57
He was lied to and duped, too, along with the American public and most of Congress. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #42
Duped? Oilwellian Jan 2013 #50
shuck and jive...lazy... PearliePoo2 Jan 2013 #15
piss on Colin Powell KG Jan 2013 #2
I agree. He should be in prison. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #21
Too bad he didn't tell the real truth to the UN back in 2003 tularetom Jan 2013 #3
He talked about that tavernier Jan 2013 #10
bs, the whole world knew--well, at least everyone who wasn't listening to the msm here. niyad Jan 2013 #27
Are you so accomplished that you not only use a cell phone, but you also build it yourself? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #44
what utter nonsense. everyone here on DU knew, the whole FRIGGIN world KNEW--all that niyad Jan 2013 #59
so most of us at DU are smarter than him Whisp Jan 2013 #36
+1 nt stopwastingmymoney Jan 2013 #58
I believe that Powell gave a ringing endorsement of Jackson's The Hobbit. Orrex Jan 2013 #11
About what? Renew Deal Jan 2013 #5
Colin is a Republican with "liar's remorse" Kolesar Jan 2013 #12
Wow. Nice Renew Deal Jan 2013 #14
Perfect ! :>) pangaia Jan 2013 #52
Congratulations Fumesucker Jan 2013 #6
stuff. just you know, stuff. Schema Thing Jan 2013 #8
That will be the first time since the Mai Lai Massacre! Walk away Jan 2013 #7
You mean this guy? trumad Jan 2013 #9
That's the one trumad, a real paragon of truth and virtue Autumn Jan 2013 #16
MMMM yellow cake Separation Jan 2013 #17
yup- same guy that shot to the head of the class by the My Lai Massacre cover-up... stlsaxman Jan 2013 #20
I wouldn't use the term "boy", even though I know you are not trying to be racist. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #22
I don't think the poster is racist but he may be indicating that Powell actually was.... Walk away Jan 2013 #30
I am not comfortable with that sort of terminology or characterization. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #35
Well then how about Dick Cheney owned Colin Powell body and soul.... Walk away Jan 2013 #51
I beg your pardon, but your comfort was/is not my concern. stlsaxman Jan 2013 #55
House slave?... one_voice Jan 2013 #60
Hey, I thought you got tombstoned yesterday! Scuba Jan 2013 #23
Shit... trumad Jan 2013 #38
Getting up off the floor malaise Jan 2013 #26
Three strikes and you are out Colin 1. Mai Lai "investigation" 2. Iran Contra 3. Feb 5 2003 underpants Jan 2013 #37
Powell is one of the smoothest liars pangaia Jan 2013 #54
OK, so what did he say exactly? diddlysquat Jan 2013 #19
It was just an interesting interview tavernier Jan 2013 #24
thanks for posting... PearliePoo2 Jan 2013 #48
Thanks PearliePoo tavernier Jan 2013 #49
Welcome back tavernier! MissMarple Jan 2013 #56
Thanks for the welcome back! tavernier Jan 2013 #61
Powell is a coward tabasco Jan 2013 #28
The teabaggers ARE in charge. Haven't you been paying attention? nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #45
I'll never forgive Colin Powell. . . BigDemVoter Jan 2013 #29
I forgive anyone of their past once they help the party. Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #33
Tell that to the family of 4000 dead US soldiers... trumad Jan 2013 #39
No one is all bad or all good. Including the posters in this forum. Incl Obama and G W Bush & Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #46
i agree Enrique Jan 2013 #47
Did he come clean about his lies in front of the UN? No? TransitJohn Jan 2013 #43
Of course everyone who had an opportunity to STAND against the Invasion & Occupation of Iraq & patrice Jan 2013 #53

tavernier

(12,383 posts)
4. David Gregory challenged his "republican-ism"
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:28 AM
Jan 2013

Powell laid out all the reasons why the "new" republican party are on their way down the toilet. He was very specific, not pulling any punches. He also said how disgusting it was that the repug party encouraged the disrespect to the president, using terms such as "shuck and jive" and "lazy". He put it right in DG's face.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
13. Ah yes. It's the new popular stand for "moderate Pukes" to cry about the...
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:33 AM
Jan 2013

extreme part of their party's bad behavior. Where was his indignation in October?

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
25. So what. He endorsed the President in 2008 but he's still a lying sack of shit republican.
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:00 PM
Jan 2013

His party has been attacking Obama for four years and he waits until after the election to "expose" them.

mucifer

(23,539 posts)
32. I would not be surprised if the president asked him to stay republican
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:10 PM
Jan 2013

It looks more impressive for President Obama to have republicans on his side than all democrats, especially right before the election.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
31. Like Hagel, Powell promoted the Iraq War for Bush then later felt that decision migh taint his
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:08 PM
Jan 2013

reputation. Powell's statement at the UN, holding up that vile defines him. It is in my opinion sad and pathetic that all those in power who botched the Iraq War who took us there for no reason are constantly rewarded while those who were correct about the invasion are dumped on.
Hagel and Powell helped Bush invade Iraq. I don't see that as good stuff. The fact that years later they regretted being so stupid, so lacking in insight does not alter the fact that when it mattered, both of them said 'Let's bomb the hell out of Iraq'.
It is pretty easy to say you regret a thing that went so badly as Iraq. It is the ability to know better prior to the death and destruction that should be the metric of talent to be rewarded.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
40. He's a liar. He pointed right at those oil tankers and called them "mobile scud launchers" ...
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jan 2013

saw it on tv ...him with a large sat picture pointing to the trucks. Even I knew they weren't scud launcher.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
57. You can't equate them to Powell, who was the one who convinced
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:38 PM
Jan 2013

them of the potential threat. At the time of the vote, there had been no inspections for 5 years - and before they left they were surprised that Iraq had as much as it did.

It helps ONLY the neo-cons to conflate an October 2002 vote - which Bush himself said was not a vote for war (in Cincinnati) with the decision in March 2003 to go to war. Powell was STILL speaking of the need to go to war then. Hillary Clinton was silent. Kerry argued that we should not rush to war AND said it would not be a war of last resort if we did. ( meaning to Catholics - it would be an immoral war.)

That said, it is better to speak out as Hagel did - even before 2004 - knowing that it helped Kerry to quote Hagel and Lugar - than not at all. Similarly, it is better to say what Powell is saying than what all the neo cons are still saying.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
42. He was lied to and duped, too, along with the American public and most of Congress.
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:39 PM
Jan 2013

Millions of people fell for it, not even thinking that the President would concoct fake evidence to conduct a war of choice.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
50. Duped?
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:32 PM
Jan 2013

Are you trying to change history?

January 29, 2003: Powell Accepts Task of Making Administration’s Case for War; Finds White House Dossier Unreliable

US Secretary of State Colin Powell reluctantly accepts the task of making the administration’s case for war to the United Nations Security Council. He assigns his close friend and chief of staff Larry Wilkerson to go to the CIA and put together a team to craft a presentation. Though Powell has long harbored deep misgivings about the war, in public he has consistently and staunchly promoted the war, even when it came to repeating claims he knew to be false (see January 23, 2008). Powell also gives Wilkerson a 48-page report from the White House on Iraq’s alleged arsenal of banned weapons. The report is meant to serve as the basis for Powell’s upcoming speech to the UN (see February 5, 2003). Powell, skeptical of the report’s data, instructs Wilkerson to have it looked over by the CIA. The dossier was written primarily by two senior aides to Vice President Cheney, John Hannah and I. Lewis Libby (see January 25, 2003). [Bamford, 2004, pp. 368; Vanity Fair, 5/2004, pp. 281; Unger, 2007, pp. 275] The analysts at CIA will quickly determine that the documents are based on unreliable sources (see January 30-February 4, 2003). Speculation is already rampant throughout the State Department and among well-informed observers as to why Powell became such a reliable spokesman for the administration’s war plans. A State Department official will echo the opinion of others in saying that Powell is “completely aware of the machinations going on,” but wants to avoid any sort of public dispute among top White House officials—and Powell wants to keep relations with Vice President Dick Cheney on an even keel. Author Craig Unger will later note, “Regardless of what he really believed, Powell ultimately accommodated the White House to such an extent that he became the most articulate spokesman for the war effort.”


'Idiocy'

“We were so appalled at what had arrived from the White House,” one official later says. [Vanity Fair, 5/2004, pp. 230] As another senior official (likely Wilkerson) will later recall, “We went through that for about six hours—item by item, page by page and about halfway through the day I realized this is idiocy, we cannot possibly do this, because it was all bullsh_t—it was unsourced, a lot of it was just out of the newspapers, it was—and I look back in retrospect—it was a [Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas] Feith product, it was a Scooter Libby product, it was a Vice President’s office product. It was a product of collusion between that group. And it had no way of standing up, anywhere, I mean it was nuts.” [Bamford, 2004, pp. 368-9]
Starting from Scratch - After several hours, Wilkerson and Tenet are both so fed up that they decide to scrap the WMD dossier entirely. “Let’s go back to the NIE,” Tenet suggests, referring to the recently released National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq (see October 1, 2002). Wilkerson is not aware of how badly the NIE had been, in author Craig Unger’s words, “tampered with,” but Powell should have known, as his own intelligence bureau in the State Department had disputed key elements of the NIE.


Early February, 2003: Cheney Tells Powell Why He is Making the UN Presentation

As the date for the UN presentation by Secretary of State Colin Powell approaches (see February 5, 2003), Vice President Dick Cheney gives Powell one reason why Powell is the choice to make the presentation: “Your poll numbers are in the seventies. You can afford to lose a few points.”


Powell had the power to stop the push for war, but instead chose to give credibility to the neocons plan. He was always the consummate yes man.

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?specific_cases_and_issues=powellsSpeech&timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
15. shuck and jive...lazy...
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jan 2013

didn't that come from the filthy mouth of Sarah Palin? (dumb-ass of the North)

tavernier

(12,383 posts)
10. He talked about that
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:32 AM
Jan 2013

Said he told the truth based on what was told to him, which turned out to be false. I do believe that. I don't believe his statement, "President Bush also tried to avoid war." I will never believe that.

niyad

(113,284 posts)
27. bs, the whole world knew--well, at least everyone who wasn't listening to the msm here.
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:03 PM
Jan 2013

he only knew what he was told? he didn't bother checking anything out for himself? wow, a new version of "I was just following orders", this being "I just did what I was told, even though I was the one in charge"

he should have been in prison long ago.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
44. Are you so accomplished that you not only use a cell phone, but you also build it yourself?
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:40 PM
Jan 2013

No...that's not your expertise. You rely on those who do that for a living, then you take the cell phone, and believe that it's not actually a spy tool to track your movements and report them to someone. But the fact is, the latter could be the truth.

niyad

(113,284 posts)
59. what utter nonsense. everyone here on DU knew, the whole FRIGGIN world KNEW--all that
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jan 2013

lying sob had to do was look at a newspaper from europe, or india, or anywhere but the worthless msm of this country.

so don't give me that crap about cell phones, as though that were even comparable. it was his F****** JOB to know the truth

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
36. so most of us at DU are smarter than him
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jan 2013

because we knew the sack of shit Bush and his PNACing fucks were lying.

go away Powell, go chew on your arm in penance you accessory to mass murder.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
6. Congratulations
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:30 AM
Jan 2013

Your post wasn't totally opaque, evidently Colin Powell is on the Meet the Press saying something or other that you agree with.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
7. That will be the first time since the Mai Lai Massacre!
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:30 AM
Jan 2013

He hardly ever tells the truth about anything until he is caught in his lies.

Autumn

(45,066 posts)
16. That's the one trumad, a real paragon of truth and virtue
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:36 AM
Jan 2013
I don't get it. He knew, he had to have known.

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
20. yup- same guy that shot to the head of the class by the My Lai Massacre cover-up...
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:42 AM
Jan 2013

he became Cheney's "boy" after that.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
30. I don't think the poster is racist but he may be indicating that Powell actually was....
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:08 PM
Jan 2013

Dick Cheney's house slave for decades. It is sad but that is an accurate description of their relationship. I imagine the race of both men played into their relationship because neither are ethically evolved human beings.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
51. Well then how about Dick Cheney owned Colin Powell body and soul....
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:41 PM
Jan 2013

from the time Powell helped cover up the Mai Lai Massacre up to and beyond the point where he lied our country into the war in Iraq. Powell sold himself to the Neo-Cons. He caused the death of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis at the bidding of his Boss. (I will use the word "Boss" even thought it does not actually describe their relationship).

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
55. I beg your pardon, but your comfort was/is not my concern.
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:26 PM
Jan 2013

i meant the word "boy" (please note quotes) in the very sense of the word you would have me not. Colin Powell was a NOTHING, a NOBODY before he came the rescue of Second Lieutenant William Calley. Cheney/Rumsfeld saw Powell as useful and snatched him up. He was seen as "one of the good ones". He said yes every time to any thing.

Anyone who would even ATTEMPT to cover up the mass murder of between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians is looking to be used. Powell got used. Powell got more work. Powell sold his soul. Hope he can sleep at night... wait- no, i don't.

tavernier

(12,383 posts)
24. It was just an interesting interview
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:54 AM
Jan 2013

once Gregory challenged his standing as a republican. He laid out his interpretation of the party as it now stands, far to the right and led by people who are dumb asses. (my description... I don't remember his exact words).

I should have expected to be clubbed to death by mentioning his name, but regardless, it was one of the more interesting interviews I've seen on that show lately.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
48. thanks for posting...
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jan 2013

even though you expected to take a beating.
I'm with you and a few others here, in that he didn't have to come out and say these things or endorse and tell the world that he voted for Obama...but he DID.

MissMarple

(9,656 posts)
56. Welcome back tavernier!
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 06:33 PM
Jan 2013

Do you always make such a stir? You have quite the cacaphonous conversation goin on here. But it is much better than being ignored. And some people around here simply cannot resist jumping all over Republicans, even ones who have seemingly recanted.

I checked your profile. Alan Rickman is one of my favorite actors, as well, as is Stephen Fry.

tavernier

(12,383 posts)
61. Thanks for the welcome back!
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 07:24 PM
Jan 2013

And yeah, I do. Fools rush in, and all that.



Rickman? Saw him on stage in NYC, London and Dublin. Wore a Team Snape tee shirt to Wizarding World in Orlando and was subsequently given a tour of the castle by a robed guide who claimed to be "Head Girl of Slytherin." Yeah, I'm a geek.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
29. I'll never forgive Colin Powell. . .
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jan 2013

He can yap on about the repigs, but he certainly wasn't too indignant while working for the Chimp, GWB. And he can bump his gums about the "MISTAKE' he made pushing the war on Iraq, but that doesn't change the fact that he DID it. He's guilty as hell, and a million "I regret it" just won't cut it.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
46. No one is all bad or all good. Including the posters in this forum. Incl Obama and G W Bush &
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:45 PM
Jan 2013

and Bill "NAFTA" Clinton, as well as Hillary "I voted for the Iraq War!" Clinton, and John "I was against it before I was for it" Kerry.

A complex, thorough dupe was pulled on the American public AND Congress and W.H. staffers in the runup to the Iraq War. Powell was used as their stooge at the U.N. hearing. He was, after all, employed by teh administration...the choice was either to make the presentation, which Powell believed to be true since it came from the CIA, or to quit his job and be accused of betraying his President and his country.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
47. i agree
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jan 2013

we can't really sustain our anti-Iraq War outrage. Every top position in the current administration has gone to supporters of that war, including Hagel. Opponents of the war have not even been considered, as far as I know.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
43. Did he come clean about his lies in front of the UN? No?
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:40 PM
Jan 2013

Then fuck the murderous bastard. The blood of hundreds of thousands is directly attributable to him. He can go fuck himself.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
53. Of course everyone who had an opportunity to STAND against the Invasion & Occupation of Iraq &
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 04:46 PM
Jan 2013

didn't, has excused themselves from any criticism of Colin Powell &, yes, since we have collectively assented to something that we refer to as our armed forces, and as their opportunities to represent themselves in the matters known as orders, which are a fundamental trait of armed forces, are limited, their relationship to this particular issue is their own, that is not subject to my assessment of it.

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