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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSeriously...WTF is wrong with Paul Ryan?
Well, if Paul Ryan does run in 2016, we know he'll be going full speed with the crazy, making it impossible for him to win, and Hillary will be president, and then everyone will win. Well, except for the American politics, which has been stripped of the effective multiple-party system it needs to evolve and thrive.
Whatevs, back to Ryan being an idiot with his morals stuck in all the wrong holes.
In an unsurprising turn of events, Ryan has signed on as cosponsor to the Sanctity of Human Life Act again. The original bill which declares that life begins with fertilization, and would give states the right to ban all abortion, even in the cases involving incest, rape, or the life of the mother thankfully died in Congress in 2011.
But now it's baaaaack, which is scary because not only is the above terrifying, there's all sorts of other creepy shit hidden in this monster. Like, if a woman who was raped in a state that banned abortions went to a state that didn't ban abortions and had an abortion? Her rapist could theoretically sue to stop the abortion from happening, and probably win. And it doesn't stop there with the reproductive weirdness, if passed, it'll probably make many forms of IVF illegal.
Luckily, it's almost for sure gonna die again, but I wonder if Ryan's career will go the way of the dodo bird soon after? The tide is turning, and a majority of voters don't want politicians making women's health choices for them. For everyone's sake, it would be best for Ryan and politicians like him to see this as the death rattle. Pack up your moral indignation and head home, guys, I'm sure there's a pot roast in your kitchen you can mansplain your garbage feelings on women's reproductive rights to.
http://jezebel.com/5975076/paul-ryan-once-again-sponsors-the-bill-that-would-make-it-possible-for-womens-rapists-to-sue-them
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/paul-ryan-personhood-bill_n_2440365.html
bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)lovuian
(19,362 posts)He put the nail in Romney's possible presidency
Christian Right Radicalism
and antiwomen position
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)It's not everyday, that you get to take out much touted future party leaders in such a dramatic fashion.
Cosmocat
(14,575 posts)he is 100% on board with all their bad ideas, and unabashed about it.
I was, frankly, OK, then let's have at it.
If this country REALLY wants this, then so be it. But, with him, there is no hiding it. He may be pretty and soft spoken, but he is a TRUE believer, and he puts all his cards on the table.
lovuian
(19,362 posts)STUPID Republicans .....and the Bobble heads bobbled their heads in his discussion
Ryan is the Poster boy for cutting Entitlements and destroying them
One person admitted Obama has taken flack for bringing up the decreasing of the CPI and the raising age of medicare
but those cuts are never enough ....they really want to destroy Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid
and yet cheer for cut taxes for Corporations
Unbelievable.... and very very stupid
oldbanjo
(690 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)which means he learned absolutely nothing from 2012.
citizen blues
(570 posts)I don't think it has anything to do with campaigning. I just think there's a woman out there he wants to sue. Given Ryan's wonderfully sociopathic "morality," this strikes me as purely a self-serving law of convenience.
firehorse
(755 posts)Archae
(46,358 posts)Ryan is a Teabagger long before there ever was this "Tea Party."
Ryan's district borders Illinois, and includes Kenosha and Racine, far-right strongholds and dope highways from Chicago to Milwaukee.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)or crosses over into cruelty. I honestly don't understand it, it's like they lack empathy or something.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)sad-cafe
(1,277 posts)idiot
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)I find nothing nice about Lyan Ryan
sad-cafe
(1,277 posts)like today's GOP
October
(3,363 posts)He should have thought she was ugly, right???
sad-cafe
(1,277 posts)all thought she was ugly
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Flipped for humor
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)No, that can't be it.
Raised by wolves? No. Wolves have a very compassionated and 'socialist' society.
He's a Packer fan? THAT'S IT!!!
to my Wisconsin friends.
siligut
(12,272 posts)Sell-outs don't have to think, they just have to do.
His "intellectual" prowess is over stated.
He is not dumb as a box of rocks like most of them, but he is not a real "intellectual" either.
He just has good looks and a soft stated manner, and is the perfect vessel in their eyes to peddle their bullshit.
libodem
(19,288 posts)That's who he represents. The Vatican. Not us. He represents a bunch of sexless old reprobate dinosaurs, who like each other and little kids.
If all children were wanted and loved, there would not be an excess of vulnerable, kids to exploit.
rurallib
(62,465 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Very decent, caring folks.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)100% of American (and other) Catholics are supposed to believe whatever comes out of the Vatican, right?
rurallib
(62,465 posts)Like W for instance.
ElboRuum
(4,717 posts)But having an ocean between you and the pontiff makes one a bit more flexible.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)is "Romanist". Ryan is one. He is a fundamentalist who rejects the modern views on sexuality and women's rights.
libodem
(19,288 posts)I shall Google.
sheshe2
(83,953 posts)are nothing but knuckle-dragger's!
Thanks, one_voice
sheshe
Scuba
(53,475 posts)More rope?
one_voice
(20,043 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)not a coronation.
randome
(34,845 posts)lpbk2713
(42,769 posts)He has deceived himself into thinking people might believe what he has to say is important.
He could not be any more mistaken.
BlueNoteSpecial
(141 posts)cyglet
(529 posts)He is Bachmann in a suit.
tsuki
(11,994 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)He is like a toy poodle that thinks he is a pitbull.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)It's like he can't get his mind off of it.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Paul happens to have his in a UTERUS.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)These things, even if they don't pass, are doing their job to desensitive Americans and enable those who would reduce women to concubine status with not say so over their bodies and their lives.
If they do pass, they are simply using the law to force what they are doing through churches that support it. We can't expect those who are bringing up their children in them, going to private schools and living in gated communities, to feel any responsibility for the masses that this will impact.
Please consider their real goals:
The GOP Agenda: Controlling the Means of (Re)Production
Sometimes it takes me a while, but the pieces have finally slid into place. Like a lot of others, I have been mistakenly thinking that the GOPs legislative campaign against women is about domination or subversion or repression or some other kind of man-woman conflict. Its not at all. It is about dehumanization: the puppet party of business seeking dominion over the population by controlling our reproduction.
Consider that the ideal environment for multinational corporations is pretty much the opposite of what benefits humans:
Corporations would like to drive down the worldwide cost of human capital in order to own and manage a world economy. We have already seen how this is accomplished. On the production side, corporations play leapfrog, moving factories from country to country based on marginal labor savings. On the revenue side, they drain the private assets of countries whose citizens still have money. With no resources, the citizens are ripe to be exploited as the next labor force.
More at the link:
http://www.politicususa.com/the-gop-agenda-controlling-the-means-of-reproduction.html
Controlling the Means of Reproduction: An Interview with Michelle Goldberg
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/9629
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Great article. Clarifies what's going on very well.
Tools of patriarchy have always used women to control the people and boost their power. They take advantage of lowest instincts, iconicized social controls (viz. Angry Father deities who demand obedience) and lowest common denominators. This provides cover; while people are engaged in all kinds of low-level battles over male/female, rich/poor, producer/needy, the men (and their female stooges) who own the chess board are busy feeding their power.
CanonRay
(14,121 posts)Born on Third Base and thinks he hit a triple.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Rep. Ryan got the bulk of his money by marrying a rich girl whose widowed mother soon died. And, yes, it does seem a little suspicious. At least it does to me.
CanonRay
(14,121 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I'll have to take your word on that. But his mother-in-law had the mega-bucks.
still_one
(92,454 posts)me the difference between these thugs, and the rapists in India?
NOTHING
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)As such, they will do anything to stop it.
In a truly bizarre, surreal conversation, I heard a knuckledragger say that, if raped, he would not allow his young daughter to get an abortion, but he would gleefully murder the rapist.
alp227
(32,065 posts)Who else thought the father of daughter would be this out of touch? What if daughter was raped and impregnated while a teenager? Paul would sob and recast these "feral personhood" bills etc.
Mike malloy blasted paul HARD on thursday show. subtitles included in video.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)He's a fucking douchehammer.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)douchenozzle is one of my favorite words.. so is douchehammer....now
CRH
(1,553 posts)Let us see, he is right wing republican, equal to a right wing democrat in this time. Check out your 'blue dogs' and southern democrats, and get back to any 'old' democrat. You don't need to talk to me specifically, check back with the dems of the 50's and 60's, before the party was bastardized with nafta, clintons, and carvils, all not capitalized for a reason.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)DemoTex
(25,405 posts)Same affliction plaguing ACORN "pimp" James O'Keefe. Ryan and O'Keefe are two peas in a pod: two spoiled bratsters.
marble falls
(57,353 posts)of an interest group that will actually register and vote and centrists and leftists staying home out of what? Disappointment or apathy? I am pleased he plays to the crowd he chooses. There's only so many Limpbaugh and Beck audience out there and it seems to be shrinking - only 28% of the population considers itself to be 'teaparty'. That's enough extremist interest to make him the Harold Stassen of the 20teens and 20twenties. I hope he embraces that slot with every fiber of his being.
There is a change happening, the American public is not as knee jerk right wing as some thought. Ryan is a symptom not a harbinger.
rbixby
(1,140 posts)that the bible says life starts at first breath
samsingh
(17,601 posts)socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)The people who want rules in their lives have some sort of need to follow rules - that's fine
But to impost those rules on others is unnecessary
There must be either a control problem
or
they don't feel comfortable following their own rules unless everyone else has to follow the rules, too.
(How can I restrict myself from personal freedom when I see all the other people out there breaking my rules? I must find a way to force others to live in my misery.)
That would be a good question for a debate:
Why do you find it necessary to impose your rules for living on others? Why can't everyone follow their own rules?
Initech
(100,108 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)We need Castle Doctrine and Stand your Ground laws for vaginas.
Fucking absurd...
one_voice
(20,043 posts)You should consider tee-shirts, you'd make a fortune.
I love that!!
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)okaawhatever
(9,469 posts)President Obama appoints another Justice. I know that wealthy tbag and ultra rw conservatives have been looking for cases to take to scotus. In the case of the girl suing University of Texas to set aside affirmative action there was a supporter searching the country for the perfect case to challenge affirmative action. He approached her and has funded the entire case. If you'll notice there have been an excessive number of lawsuits, seemingly unconstitutional laws, and appeals involving a hand full of issues.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)elfin
(6,262 posts)Established family, parochial schools and environment, NO minorities, NO poor (due to unions!) in his milieu, off to a suburban type college ( Miami of Ohio), where the students were SAT smart, but not diverse to any extent -- once there happened upon an Econ prof looking to indoctrinate an acolyte, read Ayn Rand and thought he was smart, through established Janesville and family connections parlayed the comfy bio and "reasonable" demeanor and looks into a relatively safe seat. Whereupon he could suck up to those who would propel his career to undeserved heights. Works long hours, so people think he is "accomplished", even though he is mainly channelling agitprop from Heritage, ALEC, Koch etc.
I think that's about it, except he has now landed in a river of money and will drive us crazy for some time, spouting all sorts of winger nonsense like the personhood issue to appease the money groups, but do it EARLY in the election period in order to diminish its impact when he heads up and out of Janesville.
Brother Buzz
(36,478 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I wonder what that is about. It is also very weird Ryan doesn't want to talk about his views. I have no problem talking about mine actually it's probably best to not get me started I get rather boisterous and obnoxious (sez my youngest), most just say I am opinionated.
Brother Buzz
(36,478 posts)Maybe she was smart enough to feel uncomfortable realizing it was totally the wrong venue for them when they arrived. There were a whole string of confrontations with labor people before that short bit of footage was even shot.
Paul, the doofus he is, never got the message.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)At one point I thought she was going to cry. Neither of them are really comfortable with their philosophy though, if they were they would be able to talk about it and not keep blowing people off. They are evasive and non responsive and a little creepy when Ryan asked the guy if he wanted some candy.
DearHeart
(692 posts)theKed
(1,235 posts)I mean, obviously fuckstick doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell, but Hillary won't be running, so...?
ElboRuum
(4,717 posts)Personally, I'd love it if she did, but she's basically stated that she's 'out of gas'. I can't imagine that her trip to the hospital did much to change her mind on that.
Hope springs eternal I guess...
RainDog
(28,784 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)I know it is temping to say this man will never be president, but keep in mind, Mitt "the Stench" was a Millstone round his neck. If he runs in 2016, especially if he hooks up with Rubio, and gets Pope Benedict (aka Johnny the Rat) to support him, we could see a lot of trouble.
I say this as an ex Catholic; the Catholics may have some liberal sides to them, but they are overall conservative, and want to TAKE POWER. It would not be hard for them to mobilize, especially as the left is finally speaking up more for Women's rights. It would be easy for them to demonize a Warren or even Clinton as a heathen.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)i have serious concern for the safety of his wife and children.
what will the epitaph read when the world is rid of this fart?
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)It looks like he may just be a full-blown sociopath type.
Working to keep that ass well away from the White House should be the duty of every patriotic American. (I love talking like a Puke when trashing Pukes!)
Romulox
(25,960 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)but so authoritarian as far as women's bodies go?
They don't believe in total liberty and people having choices for everything if they're anti-choice, obviously.
2naSalit
(86,839 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)gtar100
(4,192 posts)if it weren't for a media that reports what they say verbatim, without analysis or counterpoint. It's what amplifies the stupidity and emboldens those of like mind.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)"A heartbeat is not a person."
valerief
(53,235 posts)hue
(4,949 posts)davesliberal1977_gg
(22 posts)Did this pig learn absolutely NOTHING from his defeat in the Presidential Election? That if you keep on proposing such anti-woman laws, that many women will vote for the other guy? I wonder if he'll ever get it. Oh well, I suppose the best thing to do is let such idiots speak out about their beliefs as much as they can. That way, the GOP will become more and more irrelevant and outdated to Americans.
judesedit
(4,443 posts)infidel dog
(273 posts)juajen
(8,515 posts)A real flimflam man. He never really gives answers, mostly appeals to the vulnerable and/or under-educated among us. Really, he is a POS. But, look where it has gotten him. He's sitting in clover, and, yes, I do believe that people were totally flabbergasted that he might become President. Sheesh!