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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsProfessor Says He's Facing University Probe For Doubting Existence Of Newtown Shooting
By Eric W. Dolan
Wednesday, January 16, 2013 18:51 EST
A tenured professor who controversially claimed the mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut never happened is worried that he may now lose his job.
Florida Atlantic University professor James Tracy told the universitys student newspaper that the university plans to have a meeting with him later this week regarding his conspiracy theory, which he published online.
Theyre getting people calling them saying that this person shouldnt be teaching, hes an awful person and what have you, so I think that they have to do something, Tracy told University Press.
I dont know what theres going to be. I dont know if that would involve stripping me of my tenure and dismissing me, or what. Thats something thats ultimately for them to decide.
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The Magistrate
(95,256 posts)"What a nimrod! What a ultra-maroon!"
malaise
(269,200 posts)I'd fire him - knowledge is based on empirical evidence
sinkingfeeling
(51,478 posts)screen him for mental health issues.
FSogol
(45,532 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Maybe then he'll believe it.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Truthers have no place in the classroom.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Glad to see the board joining me on the "tenure isn't carte blanche to say whatever the hell you want" side of things; I'm usually alone there.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)I am against firings based on age or racial/gender/sexual discrimination and all that good stuff...
But never have I agreed with the idea of tenure. If you suck at your job or are hurting the reputation of your university by claiming Newtown was faked... then you should be thrown out on your ass relatively quickly...
And I don't care to scream it from the rooftops.
derby378
(30,252 posts)Some of these guys drop in just enough scientific mumbo-jumbo to make themselves seem legit to the mouth-breathers, but that's why we have science to examine all these claims and call the revisionists on any BS.
As Indiana Jones once said, there's fact, and then there's "truth." If you want "truth," the philosophy class is down the hall. It's not anti-academic to simply insist on facts from those who are entrusted to educate our students.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I have had to confront this "I can say whatever I want, without consequence" thing among our tenures staff.
Academic freedom, as presented through tenure, is intended to promote research and the advancement of the body of knowledge; not to allow irresponsible politic speech. The difference being, if this "educator" had proposed or published an academic study about Newtown and concluded that it was a hoax, he would be in-bounds and protected; but to repeat the talking points of an un-, or at best, thinly sourced video, without having done any research himself, is anti-academic and merits no protection.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)GodlessBiker
(6,314 posts)Iris
(15,671 posts)Faculty are not staff and staff cannot get tenure.
But everything else you say is dead on!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I'm referring to tenured faculty.
Iris
(15,671 posts)he might make a comment to the press in that capacity which would be within the realm of his position because of his knowledge; however, that expertise, again, would be based on past and current research.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Most certainly, not a video on the inter-tubes produced by an "investigative reporter" known for spinning fantastic yarns. This guy is an embarassment to academia.
Iris
(15,671 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Wikipedia is NOT a citable source ... neither is an internet video; unless the topic of the paper is: The Proliferation of Bogus Conspiract Theories into Mainstream Thought.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Echoing the comments above, the point of tenure is to provide the freedom to pursue speculative or controversial lines of inquiry in one's area of professed expertise.
It is not carte blanche to be an asshole-at-large.
obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)Tenure doesn't mean someone can do whatever they want, and it never has.
That is a meme anti labor forces like to say, to bust unions and tenure for public employees.
a la izquierda
(11,797 posts)A bullshit comment I hear from my anti-education, RWNJ brother in law.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Get back to us and let us know how well that worked out, okay?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'm saying can his ass, and I'm glad for once DU agrees with me on this for the most part.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)If so, you are mistaken.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)When the prof is on our side.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Ward Churchill is a perfect example.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I'm pretty sure most of us tried to make clear that teachers have been and can be fired, with due process, which he's getting.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)about academia. It was inelegant of me, and I'm trying to improve my posting style, so mea culpa.
I have been involved in several discussions on DU where many posters held academic freedom essentially sacrosanct, particularly when the academic is on our side (I'm thinking of Ward Churchill in particular, but there were a couple more).
Anyways, yes, I was attacking a strawman, though for a cause, and I need to stop doing that.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)That was nice of you.
I've been frustrated in the past with people who say that teachers have job security for life and can't be fired, so that was my beef. Looks like we're cool though.
I think it is natural on DU to want to side with an instructor who holds an "our side" point of view, and want to chastise the extreme right-wing teacher like the one in the OP. However, In my real life as a teacher, I really don't proselytize my political views and would expect that if I did, I would probably have meetings with the Dean too. We're really not supposed to impose our views on students in that fashion.
edit to add: looks from downthread like he has lefty cred--but I would still categorize his views as right-wing on this issue. He's playing into already existing memes on the right.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)a little out there, to be sure, but well within his rights.
Flat-out denying there was a shooting, or a Holocaust, or that the earth revolves around the sun: FAIL.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)perhaps a diploma mill of his choosing is his best recourse.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)all the nuts. It's bad enough we have ricky scott as our leader.
tosh
(4,424 posts)It has always been this way but the whackos used to stay on the fringe. Now they've infested the mainstream of our population.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)JHB
(37,163 posts)kairos12
(12,877 posts)The great state of Arizona. Brewer and Arpaio alone puts us in another universe. Never mind the Gifford shooting.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)Protalker
(418 posts)It's not Texas.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)Tikki
(14,560 posts)a crazy gun nut roaming around campus unchecked. If he has no empathy for
the brutal murder of children, he is a head case and needs to make his little stories
away from higher learning.
Tikki
ps..now we have to vet all our professors before we apply at a college.
Isn't that someone(s), besides the students, job.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)for exhibiting signs of insanity.
LiberalFighter
(51,137 posts)there needs to be cause for discharge.
kiva
(4,373 posts)since my chair and dean have definitely been showing those signs for years But yeah, tenure does not make us bulletproof and frankly, it shouldn't.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)He's a creation of right-wingers designed to aid their attacks on academia.
Iris
(15,671 posts)gotta love it!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Aristus
(66,468 posts)It's the board of the university, which has a right to monitor public statements by their faculty, especially a whack-job like this guy.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)and wanted to keep him from making public statements
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)won out because his statements were research based; not based on an internet video.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)He didn't shut up, but Silber pressured him into retiring earlier than he wanted. Though he still occasionally taught Freshman survey classes when I was in grad school.
But then again the BU administration is screwed seven ways to Sunday, my (female) advisor quit because she kept being asked to get coffee during faculty meetings. Yes, that was engineering, but still.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)the 1A protects speech from government reprisal. If I tell my boss to fuck off, I cannot be prosecuted but I will most assuredly be fired.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)I mean, having "controversial" ideas is one thing. Being a fucking idiot is something else entirely.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)Couldn't happen to a better nutjob.
I think I might've just coined that.
niyad
(113,596 posts)an orchestrated action on his part to garner sympathy in advance of a possible backlash? looking deeply into the evidence shows that there is no evidence that the university plans to fire him, or anything else.
see, it works both ways, you incredibly hateful little jerk.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Response to Purveyor (Original post)
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RKP5637
(67,112 posts)fire his ass.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)appleannie1
(5,070 posts)RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...that he's surprised by the investigation.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)two first names
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Oh wait. I think that might just be my thing...
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)The AAUP Principles of Academic Freedom does include extramural activities and speaking as a citizen, and its more difficult to revoke tenure at public ed universities. But if he represented his views as his university's or otherwise broke university policy then he might have trouble.
Academic freedom is essential to these purposes and applies to both teaching and research. Freedom in research is fundamental to the advancement of truth. Academic freedom in its teaching aspect is fundamental for the protection of the rights of the teacher in teaching and of the student to freedom in learning. It carries with it duties correlative with rights.[1] 2
Tenure is a means to certain ends; specifically: (1) freedom of teaching and research and of extramural activities, and (2) a sufficient degree of economic security to make the profession attractive to men and women of ability. Freedom and economic security, hence, tenure, are indispensable to the success of an institution in fulfilling its obligations to its students and to society.
Academic Freedom
Teachers are entitled to full freedom in research and in the publication of the results, subject to the adequate performance of their other academic duties; but research for pecuniary return should be based upon an understanding with the authorities of the institution.
Teachers are entitled to freedom in the classroom in discussing their subject, but they should be careful not to introduce into their teaching controversial matter which has no relation to their subject.[2] Limitations of academic freedom because of religious or other aims of the institution should be clearly stated in writing at the time of the appointment.[3]
College and university teachers are citizens, members of a learned profession, and officers of an educational institution. When they speak or write as citizens, they should be free from institutional censorship or discipline, but their special position in the community imposes special obligations. As scholars and educational officers, they should remember that the public may judge their profession and their institution by their utterances. Hence they should at all times be accurate, should exercise appropriate restraint, should show respect for the opinions of others, and should make every effort to indicate that they are not speaking for the institution.[4]
http://www.aaup.org/report/1940-statement-principles-academic-freedom-and-tenure
For the record, Newtown conspiracy theories are offensive to me.
obamanut2012
(26,154 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)If I was his employer I'd be concerned as well.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Rider3
(919 posts)People with beliefs like his make the world a worse, not to mention even dumber, place. Talk to the parents of those little children. See if they think it was all a hoax. What an asshole.
Dpm12
(512 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:59 PM - Edit history (1)
They fucking hate you for being a heartless bastard
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)That was true for Ward Churchill, it is true for this guy.
RedCloud
(9,230 posts)James Tracy
PhD, University of Iowa
Email: jftracy@fau.edu
Phone: 561-297-6265
Areas of Specialization: Media history and analysis, political economy of communication
James Tracy teaches courses examining the relationship between commercial and alternative news media and socio-political issues and events. His recent work has been published in Journalism Practice, Work, Organisation, Labour and Globalisation, and two edited volumes. He is editor of Democratic Communiqué, journal of the Union for Democratic Communications, an affiliate of Project Censored, and a regular contributor to GlobalResearch.ca.
Monograph
Tracy, J. F. A Historical Case Study of Alternative News Media and Labor Activism: The Dubuque Leader 1935-1939, Journalism & Communication Monographs 8.4 (2007): 269-343.
Book Chapters
Tracy, J. F. Censored News Cluster Overview Essay Analysis: Human Costs of War and Violence, Censored 2013: Sourcebook for the Media Revolution. The Top Censored Stories and Media Analysis of 2011-2012, Mickey Huff and Project Censored, editors. New York: Seven Stories Press (forthcoming October 2012).
Tracy, J.F. Our Union is Not For Sale: The Postwar Struggle for Workplace Control in the American Newspaper Industry, in A Moment of Danger: Critical Studies in the History of U.S. Communication Since World War II, Inger Stole and Janice Peck, editors. Milwaukee WI: Marquette University Press, 2011, 57-81.
Tracy, J. F. Covering Workers: News Media, Labor, and the 2008 Economic Crisis, in The Propaganda Society: Promotional Culture and Politics in Global Context, Gerald Sussman, editor. New York: Peter Lang, 2011, 267-282.
Recent Articles
Tracy J. F. Covering Financial Terrorism: The Greek Debt Crisis in U.S. News Media, Journalism Practice (Summer 2012, forthcoming).
Tracy, J. F. and M. L. Hayashi. Librarians of the World Unite? Possibilities and Realities from Florida, USA, Special Issue Getting the Message: Communication Workers and Global Value Chains, edited by Vincent Mosco and Catherine McKercher, Work, Organisation, Labour and Globalisation 4.2 (2010): 96-110.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)This jackass deliberately tried to diminish and dismiss the incredible emotional pain of everyone who lost someone in the Newton Massacre.
I hope he has his nuts nailed to the wall.
frylock
(34,825 posts)ellie
(6,929 posts)The poor dear obviously needs a rest.
easttexaslefty
(1,554 posts)ReallyIAmAnOptimist
(357 posts)williamc1967txlib
(25 posts)Was this professor on drugs? Been watching too much Alex Jones nonsense? In any case, it's good that this nut could be fired. Hope he's barred from teaching altogether.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)he helped them. In return this guy puts this crap out and the poor man get holy hell. I think alittle justice for that man would help. Let this professor fess up and tell the truth.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)tenure if it can be taken away on such grounds?
I don't get all the democrats calling for his blood. Maybe they're not democrats.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Or that bush made an earthquake....
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)someone like that shouldn't be teaching anything anywhere.