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Dearborn's Betsy Andreu: 'I stood up to the bully' named Lance Armstrong
12:47 PM, January 17, 2013
By Jeff Seidel
Detroit Free Press Columnist
Dearborns Betsy Andreu, one of the first people to blow the whistle on Lance Armstongs use of performance-enhancing drugs, said that Armstrong needs to do more than confess on the Oprah Winfrey Network.
Armstrong reportedly will admit to using performance-enhancing drugs during a taped interview that airs tonight.
This is the very beginning, Andreu told the Free Press this morning. This isnt the right forum. He has to meet with U.S. anti-doping officials to give the details. Because this was a massive fraud, the biggest in the history of sport. There is no way he did it by himself.
"I hope, for Lances sake and for the sake of sport, that he tells the whole truth, Andreu continued. This is monumental. He has one chance at the truth. If he tells the partial truth, for those of us who know the truth, its going to infuriate us. .................(more)
The complete piece is at: http://www.freep.com/article/20130117/SPORTS18/130117031/lance-armstrong-oprah-betsy-andreu-frankie?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Armstrong has been such a consummate liar, throughout his career, what good will listening to his "confession" or even his "apology" be? I might tune in for a bit just for prurient interest, but I really find the exercise pretty useless.
From the moment the French accused him of doping, quite a few years ago, I believed it was true (why would they risk such a charge?). The male members of my family (husband, brother, father) are all avid cyclists themselves, and Armstrong was their hero. I just couldn't convince them that my woman's intuition told me he was definitely dopier than a junkie. I'm glad this woman is vindicated; I feel vindicated, too. An apology or admission from him means nothing to me ... and probably nothing for him, either (except trying to regain his name).
jsr
(7,712 posts)but I wish Oprah would confess that she never retired.
I don't get your point about Oprah but Armstrong is not nearly the only one in cycling. It's overrun with doping. They didn't even know who to award his seven victories to because the rest of them were doping too. What a mess.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,835 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,784 posts). . .a sport that has been filthy and corrupt for decades.
From crass exploitation of athletes to doping scandals to shenanigans by the sponsors, professional cycling is a sport, which, according to sports blogger Dave Zirin, is in need of a union among athletes.
http://books.google.com/books?id=gkt_DYq1b7kC&pg=PA177&lpg=PA177&dq=dave+zirin+cycling+needs+a+union&source=bl&ots=FwPFNcioRm&sig=09H91hLySDDynYXktgj7oo-8QPY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=o2P4UJyrKYLC0QHwuIH4DA&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=dave%20zirin%20cycling%20needs%20a%20union&f=false
a la izquierda
(11,794 posts)Meh.
frylock
(34,825 posts)and, yes, it's monumental.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)in baseball, in G W Bush's 1st term, remember? I'm sure that cost us taxpayers a few million dollars to hold those hearings. On baseball.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,835 posts)Cycling is a tough sport and I tease it calling it 'biking' but the fact is it's small potatoes. It falls somewhere midway between soccer and badminton in the list of sports American's pay attention to. If Armstrong had been a French man leading up a French cycling team we would never have heard of him... unless he'd still somehow managed to hook up with Sheryl Crow. By definition nothing in cycling can be "monumental."
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The Tour de France is in....France. It's HUGE there.
I think your perspective is limited, in a way.
Lance Armstrong is one of the most famous athletes in the world. I don't follow biking, but even I know THAT!
If you didn't hear of Armstrong until he started dating Crow, you might be a little young to grasp the Armstrong significance. I'm not into sports, but it was hard to escape the enormous celebrity of Lance Armstrong going back for years. Way before Crow. BTW....she wasn't more famous that he was. He was internationally famous. Although they were both famous. He dumped her. Before that, Eric Clapton dumped her. I can't figure it out. She's so attractive & sexy (in my female point of view) and talented. Eric Clapton? He was lucky to get her. Maybe it's all the time celebrities have to spend apart and traveling.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)yet she claims Lance did it all, forced her husband to cheat...she needs to crawl back under her rock.
frylock
(34,825 posts)smh
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)realize this woman is full of sh*t
frylock
(34,825 posts)as it has been pointed out, the entire peloton was doping. what I don't care for is his treatment of the other riders that blew the whistle on this shit.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The team was there to support Armstrong & help him win. He called the shots. If that's true, he would have been in a position to coerce another biker to do steroids.
Raine
(30,540 posts)"dope".
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)He fucking rode a stupid bike for fuck's sake, it's not like he tricked people into thinking he invented cold fusion or anything important. And the people he was competing against were all doing the same exact thing he was, he was just better than them at it. I just don't get why this is such a big deal.
Sports are entertainment, period. There's no difference between a baseball player and a goddamn mime. So what if they take things that make them run faster or hit harder? So what if taking PED makes them recover from injury faster? Isn't that what we want as fans? To have the star player playing at his best and getting off the IR as soon as possible? I do and if I owned a team and was paying a guy $10 million to be a star I'd want that guy on the field/court/ice.
Armstrong's foundation raised millions and millions for people that need it. That's what is important here. Not that he doped and beat a bunch of other doped competitors in a meaningless race.
Such dramatics over nothing.
Separation
(1,975 posts)That's aprox how much the USPS invested in Lance Armstrong team. I know that in the big scheme of things that's not a lot, but still wrong.
How many people looked up to him for inspiration, then to just be kicked in the sack?
You ask, what does it matter. I say he is a cheat, and lacks principles. Not a person I would ever look up to.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Because they were all doing it. There wasn't one "honest" person in the race. And if you don't think the USPS team knew about it, I've got a bridge to sell you. They didn't care, just as baseball didn't care that Big Mac and Sosa were doing it. It's about the ratings, the money and the win.
If you're looking to athletes to be your role models, that's on you. I'm totally on Charles Barkley's side of that argument.
I'll stand by my assessment that's it's much ado about nothing.
Separation
(1,975 posts)How do you think this came to light, it sure wasn't because he had feelings of guilt. He denied to the very end.
I personally don't look up to athletes but there are thousands who do. You say Sosa, McGuire, etc were doing it and nobody cared? Unless I am mistaken their legacy is done. Hall of fame chances are next to none. When people talk of baseball greats, Sosa, McGuire are not in that list for a good reason. To you or I our legacy isn't what it is to these people, it's all they have.
Am I going to lose sleep over this? Heck no, but I am glad a cheat & liar was exposed for what he is.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)we should not get too comfy and accustomed to cheating and lying. It is a big deal.
or used to be.
daleo
(21,317 posts)Though it is true that both pro and amateur sports are racked with hypocracy.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)That's a snippet I heard from the Oprah interview.
The arrogance of it. The bullying aspect of it....it costs a fortune to be sued. There are court costs, and you have to hire an attorney. So he was trying to bully them into shutting up.
daleo
(21,317 posts)A civil suit for defamation, or even criminal for perjury.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Instead of going on national television, he should personally apologize to each and every person whose lives he ruined, starting with Greg and Kathy LeMond.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Tonight he moaned the loss of $75M in endorsements. As if he would have had those endorsements in the first place had he not been cheating.
And no apologies for what he did to Betsy and her husband:
One was Betsy Andreu, the wife of Armstrongs teammate Frankie Andreu, who had said that she heard him talking about doping. He worked to wreck her reputation and her husbands career. Oprah asked him if shed been telling the truth. Im not going to take that on, he said. She rephrased, asking him to say whether he was still calling Andreu a liar. He still wouldnt answer; it may be that doing so would get him in legal trouble, but thats not an excuse. Instead, he shared what he seemed to think was an amusing moment from a phone conversation they had:I said, Listen, I called you crazy. I called you a bitch, I called you all these things, but I never called you fat. Because she thought I said, You were a fat crazy bitch. And I said, Betsy, I never said you were fat.
Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2013/01/lance-armstrongs-flawed-confession.html#ixzz2IO4biIJM
DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)Fuck him.