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NRaleighLiberal

(60,018 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 11:15 PM Feb 2021

538 "With Trump's Acquittal, The Fragility Of America's Democracy Is Even More Clear"

Last edited Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:17 PM - Edit history (1)

By Perry Bacon Jr.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/with-trumps-acquittal-the-fragility-of-americas-democracy-is-even-more-clear/


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What happened on Jan. 6 and the days leading up to it — an American president spending weeks trying to reverse the results of a free and fair election, culminating in his supporters storming the U.S. Capitol to try to keep him in power by force — was so shocking that it seemed at least possible (if unlikely) that it would break the pattern. Could Republicans stick with Trump again? And if they did, wouldn’t Democrats try to shame GOP senators as much as possible?

But by the time we got to Feb. 13, less than six weeks after the attack on the Capitol, it was obvious that nothing had fundamentally changed. Democrats, fully aware that there weren’t nearly enough GOP votes to convict Trump, opted against calling any witnesses and, in less than a week, wrapped up Trump’s second impeachment trial, stemming from one of the most terrible incidents in recent American history. In the end, only seven of the 50 Republican senators voted to convict Trump of the charge of “incitement of insurrection,” joining all 50 Democrats. The 57 votes against Trump — versus the 43 GOP votes to acquit — fell short of the two-thirds needed per the Constitution to convict. Trump was acquitted. He can run for president again. And, at least for now, he remains an influential figure in the Republican Party and therefore American politics overall.

In some ways, it’s as though Jan. 6 never happened — Trump is a fairly unpopular, impeached, one-term president who still retains a deep base of support among Republican voters. Trump and his brand of politics may be politically damaged, but they’re not going anywhere. How did we end up in a situation where not much has changed? Well, the big story of the weeks since Jan. 6 is simple: The GOP base stuck with Trump. Even before the attack at the Capitol, some top Republicans, most notably Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, were ready for the party to move on from Trump, viewing him as a drag on the GOP’s electoral prospects (since Trump’s election in 2016, Republicans lost the House, the Senate and the presidency, in part due to voter backlash against Trump). In an alternate reality, Jan. 6 might have both strengthened the resolve of the party to dump Trump and also ease that break, since Republican lawmakers could argue that of course they were uncomfortable with a president whose supporters invaded the Capitol.

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But the results of this trial mean that both threats remain. Many of the people who invaded the Capitol have been arrested, and many of them are likely to serve time in jail. But it appears that none of the politicians who propagated the falsehoods about election fraud in 2020 — setting the conditions for the insurrection — will face any serious repercussions at all. That’s most notably Trump, but also figures like Sen. John Hawley. What’s to stop Republican officials in 2022 or 2024 from making up frivolous charges of election fraud and then watching as conservative voters take aggressive and even violent actions because they believe what prominent Republicans are saying?

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lots more at the link - all worth reading

(I guess I don't share the optimism that some other DUers are discussing today - I think that we are deeply screwed because there have been no consequences for propagation of the BIG LIE and what happened on Jan 6 - and the BIG LIE continues to be propagated - meaning the cult is still out there).

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538 "With Trump's Acquittal, The Fragility Of America's Democracy Is Even More Clear" (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Feb 2021 OP
Wasn't it Goebbles who said, in effect... CincyDem Feb 2021 #1
the right wing playbook for decades. you've described fox news and rush and....so on and so on. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2021 #2
The Rule of Law appears to be dead jmbar2 Feb 2021 #3
it is indeed extremely unsettling - I am in the same boat here. Just depressed about it. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2021 #4
Democracy Is Already Dead sfstaxprep Feb 2021 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Dan Feb 2021 #6
The next time the Republicans have the House, Senate and WH they won't be giving up power. Ace Rothstein Feb 2021 #7
The only thing that will save us is death SoonerPride Feb 2021 #8
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, again. Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 #9

CincyDem

(6,385 posts)
1. Wasn't it Goebbles who said, in effect...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 11:21 PM
Feb 2021

...if you want people to believe your lie, make it so big that people couldn’t imagine someone making it up, and then repeat it over and over and over. Eventually, it will be accepted as the truth.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,018 posts)
2. the right wing playbook for decades. you've described fox news and rush and....so on and so on.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 11:22 PM
Feb 2021

I don't think we can go on too much longer with this sort of bullshit.

jmbar2

(4,905 posts)
3. The Rule of Law appears to be dead
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 11:26 PM
Feb 2021


I am unsettled tonite, knowing that so many Americans are OK with Trumpism, racism, corruption and brazen criminality. The law has been undermined and Trump gets away with it over and over and over again. None of us on this board could get away with a fraction of his criminality.

Democracy doesn't exist without the rule of law. We need to hold mock funerals across the nation for the rule of law.

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Ace Rothstein

(3,183 posts)
7. The next time the Republicans have the House, Senate and WH they won't be giving up power.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:36 AM
Feb 2021

We'll be a full-blown fascist state.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
8. The only thing that will save us is death
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:37 AM
Feb 2021

Donny Dumbfuck won’t be jailed

Won’t be held to account for anything.

Ever.

The only way to rid ourselves of this scourge is for him to die.

He is the titular head of the cult snd when he dies it splinters into a million pieces. There is no new idol for them to worship.

We are not safe until he is dead.

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