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arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:52 AM Jan 2013

So for what exactly are we supposed to be angry with the Algerians?

Granted that much of what we understand to have happened during this gas field hostage business may turn out to be wrong, but it would seems as if the Algerians brought a swift end to the crisis and probably saved a lot of lives. Hundreds of people held hostage at a gas plant? You think that didn't have the potential for some horrific bloodshed?

And again, it is early and we don't know all of the facts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21101092

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So for what exactly are we supposed to be angry with the Algerians? (Original Post) arely staircase Jan 2013 OP
Plenty of people.... sendero Jan 2013 #1
That seems to be my impression too. arely staircase Jan 2013 #3
I think it's the larger regional picture--apparently they've been reluctant TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #2
Collateral damage ... GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #4
They probably went off half cocked in the eyes of the professionals ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #5
but given the fact there were hundreds of hostages arely staircase Jan 2013 #8
It's not our way. Igel Jan 2013 #6
the criticism does have a wiff of colonialism to it arely staircase Jan 2013 #7
Algeria is not know for its excellence in things martial, which includes mass hostage rescue. ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #9

sendero

(28,552 posts)
1. Plenty of people....
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:57 AM
Jan 2013

...are butthurt because they didn't ask our permission or for our stellar tactical information.

Maybe the Algerian leadership has about as much faith in our military leaders as I do.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
2. I think it's the larger regional picture--apparently they've been reluctant
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:01 PM
Jan 2013

to cooperate with Mali and other countries in fighting extremists. They'll do it within their own borders, but have no problem with neighboring nations being weakened and destabilized by terror groups, because it helps them keep their supremacy in the region.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
5. They probably went off half cocked in the eyes of the professionals
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:56 PM
Jan 2013

And given the body count the media will have to blame someone

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
8. but given the fact there were hundreds of hostages
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 03:58 PM
Jan 2013

wasn't the body count arguably low? (at least according to initial reports)

Igel

(35,300 posts)
6. It's not our way.
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:49 PM
Jan 2013

Out way: Negotiate first. Possibly pay ransom. Drag out the situation.

Esp. when "our people" are involved. Whatever the local consequence may be.

There may also be some faith in our boys being better at SWAT and commando tactics. Like having the Israelis at Entebbe instead of asking local troops to do the job.


As it is, the Algerians decided how to go about doing things on their own, on their own schedule, and in their own ways. So some of "our people" got killed. They didn't suck up to us and ask our help. They failed to do things in a culturally appropriate way, apparently. Which is to say, according to our culture. Colonialism lives, just in a way that we think isn't colonial at all.

Instead they did things culturally appropriate for their region, in a way that may have ended up hurting Westerners but which they believe will save more (local) lives.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
9. Algeria is not know for its excellence in things martial, which includes mass hostage rescue.
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jan 2013

What is not clear if they had some coaching, did it on their own, or the deaths were unavoidable.

More will come out over time, presuming there is some semblance of a free press over there.

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