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Do felons lose their 2nd Amendment rights? (Original Post) SHRED Jan 2013 OP
Yes. Removed through the due process of law. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #1
Yes, they do. HappyMe Jan 2013 #2
In most states being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm is bad news. nt Codeine Jan 2013 #3
Depends on the state. Comatose Sphagetti Jan 2013 #4
In general, yes Recursion Jan 2013 #5
Yes, felons cannot own guns Drahthaardogs Jan 2013 #6
Depends on your definition of a gun... Comatose Sphagetti Jan 2013 #7
For the most part, though I believe all rights and responsibilities should be restored TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #8
You, my friend,... Comatose Sphagetti Jan 2013 #9
Thanks TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #22
I'm torn on that. I guess I'd like flexibility Recursion Jan 2013 #10
I'm not sure if I agree with you Revanchist Jan 2013 #15
No, that worries me too Recursion Jan 2013 #18
Generally, I agree - although a prohibition on firearms ownership (or anything else) petronius Jan 2013 #12
I would like to see their voting HappyMe Jan 2013 #13
They are in all but Florida, Iowa, Kentucky and Virginia. Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #19
For some reason, HappyMe Jan 2013 #20
There may be other state restrictions applied. Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2013 #21
If they are sentenced to more than one year of prison, generally, yes. HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #11
They do, but one can go to court and have them reinstated for about $1,000 ... Unrepentant Fenian Jan 2013 #14
Yes, but in many states felons can apply to get their gun rights restored. LAGC Jan 2013 #16
In Alaska a convicted felon can own a long gun Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #17
Yes obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #23

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
4. Depends on the state.
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:08 PM
Jan 2013

Some states remove a person's voting rights for life, some do not.

As far as firearms, on the federal level the ATF regulates firearms and federal law dictates no one with a felony may own a firearm. However, ATF does not regulate muzzleloaders as a muzzleloader is not considered a firearm under ATF regs (check ATF for definition/laws concerning firearms/muzzleloaders).

For example, in my state, you can vote after you're released from incarceration, and you can have a muzzleloader unless you're considered a serious violent felon (SVF).

I have many clients who have felonies and I've researched this for my state very carefully. There is a lot of misinformation out there and even state and local agencies are misinformed/confused.

As always, a person under disability must check very carefully before attempting to acquire firearms/muzzleloaders.

Hope this helps.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. In general, yes
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:10 PM
Jan 2013

Almost all do for some period of time; some states rehabilitate felons after X years for some value of X, and people who are pardoned years later regain their rights too.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
6. Yes, felons cannot own guns
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:11 PM
Jan 2013

and it is a question on the Bureau of Investigations background check. It is not limited to "violent crimes" only. This is why Mark Thurman who perjured himself at the OJ Simpson trial noted he would have to "switch to bow hunting now".

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
7. Depends on your definition of a gun...
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:41 PM
Jan 2013

Firearms - no.
Muzzleloaders - some states, yes. In my state a SVF cannot posses a muzzleloader.

TheKentuckian

(25,034 posts)
8. For the most part, though I believe all rights and responsibilities should be restored
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 01:54 PM
Jan 2013

once a sentence has been completed and further that no one should be required to define themselves as a felon after said point nor should a person be treated as such any further.
The debt to society should be considered paid in full and the offender should be fully reintegrated. Probation and parole would be considered still under sentence (as they are) but once the debt is paid then the punishment and sanctions should be over.

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
9. You, my friend,...
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:39 PM
Jan 2013

have said one of the most enlightened things I've heard all day!

Unfortunately, it falls on the deaf ears of many voters who elect our representatives. I've observed that most of those against your sound reasoning are conservative and Christian.

Go figure.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. I'm torn on that. I guess I'd like flexibility
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jan 2013

I'd like for a judge to be able to extend the Constitutional disabilities, or not, based on his or her discretion.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
15. I'm not sure if I agree with you
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:51 PM
Jan 2013

I would be worried that in some areas of the country the judge's discretion would take the individuals skin color into account. I wouldn't disagree with disabilities depending on what the person was convicted of, but leaving the whole process up to the discretion of a judge doesn't sit well with me.

P.S. I apologize in advance if I misread your post and took your words out of context.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
18. No, that worries me too
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:53 PM
Jan 2013

OTOH if you don't leave judges discretion, laws tend to be too draconian. I don't know that there's a "right" answer.

petronius

(26,608 posts)
12. Generally, I agree - although a prohibition on firearms ownership (or anything else)
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:44 PM
Jan 2013

could reasonably be made a part of the sentence extending after the actual term of incarceration.

It's the voting prohibitions that I've never understood - personally, I think people should be allowed to vote even from prison if they want to...

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
19. They are in all but Florida, Iowa, Kentucky and Virginia.
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:58 PM
Jan 2013

Which is as it should be.

Those four states should get with the program.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
21. There may be other state restrictions applied.
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jan 2013

Such as in Arizona a "habitual" felon can lose them for life.

I think, but am not sure since this may have changed,some states apply restrictions depending on the type of felony. Forcing a person with certain types of convictions to have to petition for their rights back. Most however, reinstate voting rights upon completion of a sentence.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. If they are sentenced to more than one year of prison, generally, yes.
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jan 2013

As are people who are convicted of misdemeanors with more then 2 years of prison.

Unrepentant Fenian

(1,078 posts)
14. They do, but one can go to court and have them reinstated for about $1,000 ...
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:50 PM
Jan 2013

at least here in Washington State. I'm not sure, but I think the felony has to be non-violent.

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
16. Yes, but in many states felons can apply to get their gun rights restored.
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:52 PM
Jan 2013

Same with voting rights. In most states, felons automatically get their right to vote restored upon completion of their sentence. (Completely off-paper, after probation/parole.)

Depending on how serious the felony, some felons have to wait so many years before petitioning the courts for their gun rights back.

Felons with federal convictions, however, currently have no recourse as the ATF isn't currently funded to handle relief applications at this time.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
17. In Alaska a convicted felon can own a long gun
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:52 PM
Jan 2013

as long as it can't be concealed. They also get their voting rights back after they've finished their paper time.

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