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4dog

(504 posts)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 02:48 PM Jan 2012

“Does it Matter if Newt Gingrich is Bipolar?”

From blog article:
So if we’re going to elect a president who’s been diagnosed with a mental illness, we need to be sure the illness is under meticulous control. That excludes Newt Gingrich. Politicians, pundits, journalists and even friends describe him with words like grandiose, erratic, crazed, intemperate, inconsistent, unreliable, narcissistic, self-deluded, exaggerated … the list goes on. We simply can’t elect a person whose behavior has caused him to be perceived that way. But the diagnosis alone wouldn’t exclude him from consideration.

Source:
http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2012/01/24/gingrich-bipolar/

The list of symptoms [Bipolar II – DSM] reads like a fundamental description of the history of Newt Gingrich’s behavior. His many statements that consist of variants on the he certainty that he is unique individual in the history of mankind–those made by Gingrich himself, and those reported by others. His repeatedly noted signal tendency to leap from idea to idea; his inability, noted by staff and colleagues, to focus, and to be distracted by any new attractive idea; his grandiose, uninterrupted, goal-directed drive, and very notably, his tendency to engage in reckless, pleasurable behaviors without regard for consequences.

The heritability of his mother’s bipolar disorder, and the behaviors that indicate Bipolar II in her son raise extreme concern. While we should note that he has not been fully evaluated to our knowledge, nor have medical records emerged, and so we should regard any final diagnosis as dependent upon such evaluation, we are considering an individual for the office of president of the United States during a fundamental and crucial time for our nation.

Source:
http://politipsych.com/?p=228


Gail Sheehy, Newt Gingrich’s Bipolar Mother Kit Gingrich and His Difficult Childhood - The Daily Beast

The most detailed article of the three linked here:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/22/newt-gingrich-s-bipolar-mother-kit-gingrich-and-his-difficult-childhood.html


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“Does it Matter if Newt Gingrich is Bipolar?” (Original Post) 4dog Jan 2012 OP
Eagleton's mental health history certainly mattered. nt gateley Jan 2012 #1
There are many suffering from mental illness that seek treatment and lead productive lives Missy Vixen Jan 2012 #2
As much as Gingrich sickens me, I think it's inappropriate to label others with cbayer Jan 2012 #3
I agree with your post except in the case of the Presidency, the job has so much Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #5
IMHO, a severe personality disorder is much more dangerous than a well-controlled Bipolar Disorder. cbayer Jan 2012 #6
I was about the post the very same thing. n/t gkhouston Jan 2012 #11
I agree re: the severe personality disorder aspect as being more dangerous but I believe Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #12
Barack Obama is one of the most fully functional psychologically healthy human beings undeterred Jan 2012 #14
The post is a question. Read the articles and decide 4dog Jan 2012 #8
I agree. aptal Jan 2012 #13
Now you can see the love he and Palin share. They both love themselves more then their mates southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #4
Wasn't Lincoln considered bi-polar? graywarrior Jan 2012 #7
I think Lincoln suffered episodes of severe depression. hedgehog Jan 2012 #9
I agree. undeterred Jan 2012 #17
He did indeed. cbayer Jan 2012 #18
i thought it was Mary Todd Lincoln that was bi-polar NMDemDist2 Jan 2012 #15
Can someone who is always exhibiting manic behavior be called bi-polar? hedgehog Jan 2012 #10
yes. unblock Jan 2012 #19
Yeah, they can stay manic for months before crashing. graywarrior Jan 2012 #22
Absolutely not. Neoma Jan 2012 #16
Newt Gingrinch does not have a bipolar disorder loyalsister Jan 2012 #20
Well, he could be both wrong all around AND bipolar 4dog Jan 2012 #21
"can the generalization about mental illness give us any additional insight." loyalsister Jan 2012 #23
Drapetomania. I never heard of it. Absolutely fascinating. I think you're right on the money snagglepuss Jan 2012 #24

Missy Vixen

(16,207 posts)
2. There are many suffering from mental illness that seek treatment and lead productive lives
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 02:58 PM
Jan 2012

My late mother-in-law was bipolar. To say that her diagnosis and treatment (especially when she refused to take her medication, for instance,) affected the entire family is an understatement.

If Gingrich has untreated bipolar disorder, he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the White House. It'll be interesting to see how the GOP deals with this.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. As much as Gingrich sickens me, I think it's inappropriate to label others with
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 02:58 PM
Jan 2012

psychiatric diagnoses without having examined them. It's foolhardy and hurtful to those that actually have these diagnoses.

FWIW, most people with true, treated Bipolar Disorder are fully functional, completely competent adults. This blog post marginalizes and condemns them.

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
5. I agree with your post except in the case of the Presidency, the job has so much
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:02 PM
Jan 2012

stress, power and responsibility I believe a person needs to be more than fully functional if such a thing is possible.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
6. IMHO, a severe personality disorder is much more dangerous than a well-controlled Bipolar Disorder.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:04 PM
Jan 2012

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
12. I agree re: the severe personality disorder aspect as being more dangerous but I believe
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:26 PM
Jan 2012

the question of "well controlled" is a relative thing, particulary once you're in the position of power.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
14. Barack Obama is one of the most fully functional psychologically healthy human beings
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:30 PM
Jan 2012

who has ever been elected to the American presidency. He's amazing.

4dog

(504 posts)
8. The post is a question. Read the articles and decide
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:10 PM
Jan 2012

if his behavior influences your vote. It's the behavior that's important, not the diagnosis.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
4. Now you can see the love he and Palin share. They both love themselves more then their mates
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:00 PM
Jan 2012

and both use their kids to deflect their own troubles.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
17. I agree.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jan 2012

I don't think he was incapacitated by it. He had many things to grieve about, both on a personal level and for the country. I think he allowed the grief to move him in certain directions. Not that he was controlled by his emotions, but he didn't keep them boxed off. His sadness gave him wisdom.

NMDemDist2

(49,313 posts)
15. i thought it was Mary Todd Lincoln that was bi-polar
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:30 PM
Jan 2012

although Abe certainly had depressive tendencies IIRC

Neoma

(10,039 posts)
16. Absolutely not.
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:30 PM
Jan 2012

The only reason Newt Gingrich shouldn't be president is because Newt Gingrich would be president.

Being president is like having all the world's problems on your shoulders. It's not unlike what some people with bipolar does already.

From personal experience, I watch a documentary and I immediately want to solve and help! But I have no means or resources, so I slump back down. Being president would be awesome!

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
20. Newt Gingrinch does not have a bipolar disorder
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:41 PM
Jan 2012

His behavior is not attributable to a legitimate mental illness. He's just elitist, racist, and wrong all around.

Attributing "bad" behavior, stupid ideas, racism, or an ideology I think is very very wrong lets them off the hook.

Now that people are more aware of what mental illnesses are, there is a tendency to try to fit anything seen as abnormal or disagreeable into a diagnosis.

Kind of like this:

"A New Orleans physician, Samuel Cartwright (1793–1863), believed that slaves sometimes suffered from a peculiar form of mental illness that he termed drapetomania, the abnormality that caused slaves to run away, from drapeto, meaning "to flee," and "mania," "an obsession." Clearly, however, Cartwright had subjective motives for his peculiar example."

http://www.enotes.com/mental-health-reference/mental-health

4dog

(504 posts)
21. Well, he could be both wrong all around AND bipolar
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 03:52 PM
Jan 2012

It's not as if we can isolate the influences in a single person's character or personality. And the point is, would he make an acceptable leader, and can the generalization about mental illness give us any additional insight. Here's a quote that I hope is pertinent from the Sheehy article.

Dr. Frederick Goodwin, director of the Center on Neuroscience, Behavior, and Society at the George Washington University Medical Center and a national authority on bipolar disorder, said that “Gingrich’s quickness, his ability to pick things up quickly, is consistent with studies of first-degree relatives of manic-depressives.”

While stating that he was not making a diagnosis, he noted that in leaders, hypomanic behavior is “often intolerant and impulsive.” Studies characterize the thinking of a person in a hypomanic state as “flighty. He jumps by bypaths from one subject to another, and cannot adhere to anything.”

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
23. "can the generalization about mental illness give us any additional insight."
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 04:58 PM
Jan 2012

Generalizing is also known as stereotyping the only "insight" is based on ignorance.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
24. Drapetomania. I never heard of it. Absolutely fascinating. I think you're right on the money
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jan 2012

about Gingrich not having a mental illness.

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