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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have been doing some research. Were more people killed by hammers and baseball bats than rifles?
In the last ten years?
Numbers seem hard to come by.
Any help with reliable data would be appreciated.
I would really like to compare data from the 1994-2004 AWB years to the 2004-2012 years.
Thanks in advance.
CD
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)in 15 seconds I googled "snopes/guns and hammers" and got this:http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/baseballbats.asp
Problem solved.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)They specify "rifles" so as to make the number of gun deaths look smaller than it is. It's a word game. "Are more people killed by baseball bats than station wagons" when you're comparing baseball bat to car deaths.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)that includes handguns
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
To be accurate, one should say that blunt objects, like hammers and bats, account for more homicides than rifles.
jazzimov
(1,456 posts)the primary purpose of a hammer is to hit a nail.
The primary purpose of a baseball bat is to hit a baseball (hence the name).
The primary purpose of a rifle it to kill something.
there is no comparison.
safeinOhio
(32,674 posts)It's not hammers, it's nail guns.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But, they won't do that. I think it's because they know that people who own guns are also more likely to die from heart disease.
Lex
(34,108 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Chuuku Davis
(565 posts)The problem is that the info I can find is not specific enough.
What I can find says knives kill more than rifles.
The right wing nuts I know say bats and hammers kill more than assault rifles.
But I can't find specifics on numbers.
That is what I am looking for.
And snopes info doesn't help.
I am really looking for factual data.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)on the federal level.
And don't waste time talking to the desk drone. Talk to an administrative person.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)to qualify "assault rifles"
The legal definition of assault rifle is full automatic or select fire and are very rarely used in crimes. Assault weapon is a looser term that has different definitions. I think most statistics would be under hand gun or rifle.
kudzu22
(1,273 posts)Here's the table you're looking for:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
LeftInTX
(25,300 posts)Debunks Marsha Blackburn's meme that hammers kill more people than guns.
spanone
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okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)have killed more, but handguns deaths are 9x more than rifle deaths. Also, the hammer category includes basically all blunt objects. Just as the knife category includes basically all sharp objects, knives, swords, scalpels, etc. The categories I think are along the lines of cause of death by coroners. Sharp force trauma, blunt force trauma, and so on. If you combine rifles and handguns they are 69% of murders. Some other things that are important to note:
These stats only include murders, they do not include accidental deaths. I am going to assume a whole lot more accidental deaths come from guns than the other categories.
These stats do not include injuries. The paralyzations, blindings, amputations and myriad other problems.
Any reduction in gun deaths must also be mitigated by the improvement in trauma surgery and the ability to save lives versus previous years.
The numbers of suicide attempts by gun. A great many more of those are successful.
The # of children and innocent by-standers who are killed or injured by gunshots. It was rare that someone killed a sleeping child in their bedroom because there was a fight in the street with knives, not so with guns. There are many instances of children inside houses being killed by a gunfight outside their homes. Armour piercing bullets have made that worse.
No data on the number of crimes that happen at gunpoint. Example: rapes, carjackings, robberies, etc. While one can be raped or carjacked at knifepoint, they have a greater opportunity to escape or survive.
Due to the influence of the NRA, there have not been any studies done on guns. They have blocked all funding through lobbying, campaign funding, and attacks on candidates that don't support their view. They claim they are not opposed to studies on guns, just federal funding for it. Absolutely absurd, borderline criminal. They have also blocked the confirmation of a head for ATF, and any increase in the number of ATF agents. Again, that should be criminal.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Don't think there were that many with hammers and baseball bats.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Blunt-force weapons are used in a bit less than 500 murders per year. Rifles (of which some are "assault weapons" by one definition or another) are used in a little more than 300 murders a year. Ditto shotguns (also, of which some are "assault weapons" by one definition or another).
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11
An "assault weapon", by the 1994 AWB definition, includes rifles, shotguns, and handguns which have 2 primary and more than an allowable number of secondary features.
Some of the data on weapons in the table is "type not stated".
The "known" types are:
Handgun: 6,220
Rifle: 323
Shotgun: 356
Total: 6,899
Using only known numbers, here is the percentage breakdown:
Handgun: 90.16%
Rifle: 4.68%
Shotgun: 5.16%
The "unknown guns" total 1,684. Assuming a similar percentage as the known types, we get this:
Handgun: 1,518
Rifle: 82
Shotgun: 87
Adding this to the "known" totals, we get a grand total estimate:
Handgun: 6,220 + 1,518 = 7,738
Rifle: 323 + 82 = 405
Shotgun: 356 + 87 = 443
Blunt objects: 496.
So by any reasonable math, blunt objects are used significantly more than rifles. Ditto for shotguns.
You can go back to 1995 here, if you want.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s
WinkyDink
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(19,877 posts)rgbecker
(4,831 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts).......while you're checking..........