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bigtree

(85,996 posts)
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 08:46 AM Jan 2013

That Obama-Clinton Chemistry (Joint 60-Minutes Interview)

Last edited Mon Jan 28, 2013, 01:43 PM - Edit history (2)

from Joan Walsh at Salon: http://www.salon.com/2013/01/28/that_obama_clinton_chemistry/




That Obama-Clinton Chemistry
It wasn't about 2016. It was about two hard-working "gluttons for punishment" enjoying their unlikely friendship

. . . I’m not entirely sure why the joint interview, which was hyped for so many days, whose hype I resisted, wound up being so affecting. But let me throw out a few thoughts about it.

I’m sure most of it was the bitter battle between the two of them. It was nice to see that Obama giving Clinton a tough and high-profile job wasn’t merely placating or co-opting a rival. And maybe the glow was just what happens when two charismatic figures with adorable chemistry appear together. We’ve seen them together only briefly on stage. We’ve seen them, sadly, at the homecoming for dead heroes like Libyan Ambassador Chris Stevens and the other Americans killed in Benghazi.

There may simply be a remarkable charge when these two amazing firsts – first African American president, first 18-million-cracks-in-the-glass-ceiling female candidate — come together. And when they don’t fight, like those firsts are supposed to do, and once did, but they glory in one another’s radiance, and they support one another.

. . . So set aside 2016. I’m not sure why the president wanted to do the joint interview – Steve Kroft said it was his idea, which is interesting, but who really knows? But I’m glad they did. In this era of ugly near mortal political combat, it’s reassuring when two formal rivals come together. Their obvious physical comfort and warmth was strangely moving.

Seeing two of the world’s most powerful people, who happen to be a black man and a white woman, leaning in against one another and laughing and sighing, sharing their enjoyment of one another’s company and their relief at the hard times they’ve seen the country through — well, now I’m not sure why I was acting like it was hard to explain its delight. It was delightful.


read: http://www.salon.com/2013/01/28/that_obama_clinton_chemistry/

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That Obama-Clinton Chemistry (Joint 60-Minutes Interview) (Original Post) bigtree Jan 2013 OP
I Love Joe Biden but.... Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #1
we had much better than an Obama/Clinton presidency, I think bigtree Jan 2013 #2
Yeah, funny how things work out. This has been the Cha Jan 2013 #30
"Glory"? "Radiance"? woo me with science Jan 2013 #3
It was Joan Walsh lunatica Jan 2013 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2013 #5
Nope, that's the point. I view them as humans and politicians, woo me with science Jan 2013 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2013 #8
My, my, you are taking this seriously... woo me with science Jan 2013 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2013 #11
"prurient motive" woo me with science Jan 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2013 #13
Here, have a cartoon. woo me with science Jan 2013 #14
Actually the way it was written the "Barack Obama Hillary Clinton - Umbrella" vid comes to mind snooper2 Jan 2013 #7
Oh my. woo me with science Jan 2013 #9
Oh yeah, that MadTV video. Beacool Jan 2013 #15
I figured some stupid noob would alert on me if I posted it snooper2 Jan 2013 #18
Why? Beacool Jan 2013 #20
aren't you a sad thing? lillypaddle Jan 2013 #26
That's what my neighbor told me woo me with science Jan 2013 #31
I think that they always had chemistry. Beacool Jan 2013 #16
Barack has had Bill as a confidante bigtree Jan 2013 #17
People like them have a lot in common. Beacool Jan 2013 #19
She has done an amazing job. iandhr Jan 2013 #21
. bigtree Jan 2013 #22
To me, it's always a relief to hear intelligent people thucythucy Jan 2013 #23
Thank you, bigtree. sheshe2 Jan 2013 #24
What a fantastic coupling lillypaddle Jan 2013 #25
Oh, she's running, and I will walk the precincts for her until my feet bleed alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #27
They love serving their country lovemydog Jan 2013 #28
Lawrence O'Donnell called it 'Hillary and Barack's Excellent Adventure' pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #29
radical bigtree Jan 2013 #32
 

Mdterp01

(144 posts)
1. I Love Joe Biden but....
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:37 AM
Jan 2013

Had Hillary been VP, there would be no doubt about her 2016 run. However, sources in the Washington political scene have said that it was more Michelle and not Barack who didn't think Hillary should be asked for VP due to the thought that both Hillary and Bill would be undermining. Still wish I had that crystal ball of sorts to see what an Obama/Clinton presidency would've been like. In the end, I think Joe has been great and he and the President make a great team.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
2. we had much better than an Obama/Clinton presidency, I think
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:53 AM
Jan 2013

. . . with Hillary serving as SoS. That's just a more influential, substantive, and consequential post where we got to see just how independently dynamic her performance and policy turned out to be. If you follow State, you'll see a depth and breadth of activities and initiatives from Sec. Clinton which make for a notable and (in many ways) historic script for our nation vs. the world. It's really remarkable just how unified the two were on policy and how much deference and respect she appeared to give the President on issues and the details of his policies. There really isn't a more important and impressionistic position.

What was a hoot for me was the way in which Mrs. Clinton put the campaign rhetoric about her dilettante-like travels around the globe as first lady right in the can with her brilliant, resourceful, and unflagging stewardship of our nation's foreign policy.

I actually think she greatly enhanced her 2016 prospects in her role and performance (if that's what she wants). Despite the fact that she's always been a compelling figure, her persona has never had this much appeal.

Cha

(297,184 posts)
30. Yeah, funny how things work out. This has been the
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 02:49 AM
Jan 2013

absolute best combo, imv, too, bigtree. Pres Obama, VP Biden, and SOS Hillary.

We're fortunate to have so many brilliant Democrats who are there to serve our country.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
3. "Glory"? "Radiance"?
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:58 AM
Jan 2013

Methinks the headline writer was smoking something that made him a little rhapsodic. This sounds like something out of North Korea propaganda.

Response to woo me with science (Reply #3)

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
6. Nope, that's the point. I view them as humans and politicians,
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:08 AM
Jan 2013

not as godlike figures who "radiate" and create feelings of "glory."

The wording is extremely silly, and *particularly* ridiculous when used for politicians. That's all.

Response to woo me with science (Reply #6)

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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
12. "prurient motive"
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:42 AM
Jan 2013

Oh, bigtree...I don't even know what to say to all this gravity.

It is very, very interesting, and getting creepier by the minute, to say the least...


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snooper2

(30,151 posts)
7. Actually the way it was written the "Barack Obama Hillary Clinton - Umbrella" vid comes to mind
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:11 AM
Jan 2013

LOL

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
31. That's what my neighbor told me
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:22 AM
Jan 2013

when I told her I was not preparing for the rapture.

She got really miffed about it, too.







Beacool

(30,247 posts)
16. I think that they always had chemistry.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:20 PM
Jan 2013

Visually speaking, they look good together. They also have similar temperaments. They are both analytical, pragmatic and don't suffer fools gladly. They are not as outgoing as their spouses, but I think that as time went on they both have learned to enjoy the crowds.

By all accounts, they have enjoyed a good working relationship and have forged a friendship of sorts.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
17. Barack has had Bill as a confidante
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:32 PM
Jan 2013

I'll bet that relationship provided opportunities for behind-the-scenes communication between the two through the awkward period after the primaries.

They really do seem to like each other. That kind of close, collegial relationship is what the President is said to be looking for from the folks he's asking to serve in his second term (like his longtime relationship with his new Chief of Staff).

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
19. People like them have a lot in common.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jan 2013

There are only a handful of people who have reached the upper echelon of politics. Regardless of party affiliation, presidents do have many things in common and know exactly what a sitting president is going through.

thucythucy

(8,048 posts)
23. To me, it's always a relief to hear intelligent people
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:09 PM
Jan 2013

discuss issues intelligently.

By contrast, just imagine a joint interview with Mitt Romney and Joe Bolten. The horror we avoided!

Intelligent people don't hold grudges. They know how to work together for the common good.

sheshe2

(83,750 posts)
24. Thank you, bigtree.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 07:15 PM
Jan 2013

I only had a chance to see part 1.

Great interview...two great people, that set aside their differences, to work together making us a stonger, safer Nation. They are partners in progress. They Respect each other, as they Respect the people of this nation.

We are all better for that.



lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
25. What a fantastic coupling
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 07:50 PM
Jan 2013

Hillary will be sorely missed at State. I am so proud of these two incredible leaders.

Can you even imagine what we might have had "instead?"

I love them both!

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
28. They love serving their country
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 11:48 PM
Jan 2013

more than the divisions between people of differing opinions. I find that inspirational. Also, they're both kind of nerdy & policy wonkish, which is cool.

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