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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy the assault weapons ban is (probably) going nowhere
1. Joe Biden is downplaying it
The same day that Feinstein introduced the bill, Biden suggested that magazine sizes were the most important part of a gun control package. Im much less concerned, quite frankly, about what you call an assault weapon than I am about magazines and the number of rounds that can be held in a magazine, Biden said in a Google Hangout. He added that more people out there get shot with a Glock that has cartridges in a (high-capacity magazine) and also suggested that shotguns are more deadly than so-called assault weapons. Biden then again downplayed the ban again during a two-hour roundtable discussion on Friday.
2. The votes arent there
As Bloomberg reports, red-state Democratic Sens. Max Baucus (Mont.), Jon Tester (Mont.), Mark Begich (Alaska), Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.) and Joe Manchin (W.Va.) have all suggested they wont support an assault weapons ban, as have independent Sen. Angus King (Maine) and moderate Republican Sen. Susan Collins (Maine). And that list doesnt include some other red-state Democrats who are up for reelection in 2014, including Sens. Mary Landrieu (La.), Mark Pryor (Ark.) and Tim Johnson (S.D.).
3. Time is the enemy
While there was arguably more impetus for gun control after Newtown than there has been in years, its clear that the momentum has waned to some extent and people have, as the always do, refocused their attention on other political things, like illegal immigration, the budget and Obamas Cabinet nominations.
4. Obama and Biden dont need the ban
Even if the final result includes universal background checks and some of the other items, with no assault weapons ban, Obama and Biden can still lay claim to the most significant gun legislation in years/decades. They and the red-state Democrats mentioned above can still say they did something to avert future massacres and feel good about their efforts.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/29/why-the-assault-weapons-ban-is-probably-going-nowhere/
derby378
(30,252 posts)All of which would be hamstringed at the very least if the Senate turned Republican again because a new semi-auto ban was passed.
Have to look at the long term. Sorta like the butterfly effect.
NightWatcher
(39,353 posts)Prices on many models have doubled due to the fear that Obama was going to take their guns. Now many gun stores are on back orders for popular guns, accessories, and ammo.
So now the gun industry has made more money, panicked hoarding of weapons means that more nuts have more guns and stockpiles of ammo, and no real control has come about. Talk about lose-lose.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)... I figured that was the writing on the wall. I would really love to see that pass. They'd need to put a new billboard up at Fenway, though.
derby378
(30,252 posts)We already have the NICS check in place - now it would simply cover a few more sales that normally wouldn't be covered.
Animal Chin
(175 posts)We have a serious gun violence problem, and it needs to be addressed, but I've come to the conclusion that AWB is a waste of political capital. Instead, I think we should focus on limiting magazine capacity and banning handguns.
Mass shootings are horrendous, but they are very rare. Because they are so horrendous (especially this last one in CT), and so random, we feel the call to action..."surely we can do something about this!" And banning the type of weapon used in such an attack seems like a good start. But our goal should be to reduce or eliminate gun violence in this country...moreso than reducing or eliminating mass shootings (although that presumably would naturally follow).
I know it's unrealistic, but I would gladly trade a world where assault rifles are illegal, but handguns proliferate, for one in which assault rifles proliferate and handguns are illegal. Why not limit the length of a firearm to not less than 24 inches? Under the theory that you have the right to keep and bear arms, but not to conceal them (hence the length requirement). Still plenty of protection "against government tyranny" for the right wingers (better in fact since rifles are more powerful and better weapons of war) , but it gets us out of trying to classify this gun or that gun or this feature or that.
What is killing our children is pistols, not assault rifles.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I also think the Constitutional argument for a right to a handgun is significantly weaker than the argument for a right to a rifle or shotgun. Not that a handgun ban is remotely feasible politically any time soon.
Then again our experience with drugs reminds me that attempts to ban things people want can cause more problems than they solve.
nick of time
(651 posts)which Feinstein also voted against thereby ensuring the defeat of her AWB.