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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/24/afghanistan-us-special-forces-civilian-death<snip>
US special forces in Afghanistan. Hamid Karzai's government has ordered the elite force to leave Maidan Wardak province over claims of killing or torture of disappeared civilians. Photograph: David Bathgate/ David Bathgate/Corbis
The Afghan government has ordered US special forces to leave one of Afghanistan's most restive provinces, Maidan Wardak, after receiving reports from local officials claiming that the elite units had been involved in the torture and disappearance of Afghan civilians.
US military officials have rejected the allegations but President Hamid Karzai, who convened a meeting of the Afghan national security council on Sunday, appears to believe the evidence was strong enough to demand US special forces leave Maidan Wardak within two weeks.
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TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)malaise
(269,087 posts)I say bring all the troops home. This is going to get ugly
bemildred
(90,061 posts)If I had to hazard a guess, we are doing our usual "training" of local stooges in these little conflicts, to defend our "interests" after our official troops leave, think School of the Americas; and Karzai, correctly seeing that such fellows located too close to him in too great number are a threat, wants them farther away, and besides it's good for him politically.
malaise
(269,087 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)in Afghanistan, and where--I wonder if Karzai is trying to influence that decision in a certain direction?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I'm not sure what direction he would want to move it in, I mean I would think he'd want to keep US troops around for reasons of personal security, but that's a feeble sort of security for guys like him unless they are also obedient, and we already said we're leaving. And if he has some ambitious agenda of his own, and suitable backing, maybe he would want to get rid of us. What do you think?
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)over where they are and what they do--good politics at home, if nothing else. What makes me cringe in this case is his giving considerable weight to claims that we are committing war crimes. However true it might be, it doesn't help us in terms of our troops' broader relationship working alongside Afghans--may endanger them.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I was thinking about that, negotiating for post-occupation ground rules and expectations.
I doubt that he cares a fig about our good reputation.
And he has to know our history in these things, so I don't see him being naive about how we operate.
But there are too many wild cards for me, or maybe I don't study it enough.
Solly Mack
(90,775 posts)I can see it. Sadly.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Yeah, totally lacking in originality.
Solly Mack
(90,775 posts)progressoid
(49,992 posts)It's likely that our troops were involved. And likely some of the civilians weren't civilians.
Regardless, it is a mess.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)Peregrine
(992 posts)Ultimately he'll make a deal with the Taliban, probably to keep Kabul and give them the rest of the country. He is a stooge who cares about money and power not Afghanis.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)former9thward
(32,030 posts)That seems to be the only way they will ever leave. Of Karzai knows he will be dead within a week after the troops leave so he won't do that.
malaise
(269,087 posts)I detest that scumbag.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)After obtaining his Master's degree in India, he moved to neighboring Pakistan to work as a fundraiser for the anti-communist mujahideen during the 1980s Soviet war in Afghanistan.[8] The Mujahideen were backed by the United States, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran, and Karzai was a contractor for the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) at the time.[9] While Karzai remained in Pakistan during the Soviet intervention,[10] his siblings emigrated to the United States.[8]
Following the withdrawal of Soviet forces, Hamid Karzai returned to Afghanistan in early October 1988 to assist in the Mujahideen victory in Tarinkot. Hamid Karzai assisted in rallying Polpalzai Durrani tribes to oust the regime from the city as well as helped negotiate the defection of five hundred of Dr. Najib's forces.[11]
American Special Forces and Hamid Karzai during Operation Enduring Freedom in October 2001.
When Najibullah's Soviet-backed government collapsed in 1992, the Peshawar Accords agreed upon by the Afghan political parties established the Islamic State of Afghanistan and appointed an interim government to be followed by general elections. Karzai accompanied the first mujahideen leaders into Kabul in 1992 following the Soviet withdrawal.[10] He served as Deputy Foreign Minister in the government of Burhanuddin Rabbani. Karzai was, however, arrested by Mohammad Fahim (Karzai's current Vice President) on charges of spying for Gulbuddin Hekmatyar in what Karzai claimed was an effort to mediate between Hekmatyar's militia and the Islamic State. When he was released Karzai fled from Kabul in a vehicle provided by Hekmatyar and driven by Gul Rahman.[12]
When the Taliban emerged in the mid-1990s, Karzai initially recognized them as a legitimate government because he thought that they would stop the violence and corruption in his country.[13] He was asked by the Taliban to serve as their ambassador, but he refused, telling friends that he felt Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was wrongly using them.[1] He lived in Pakistan as among the Afghan refugees, where he worked to reinstate former Afghan King Zahir Shah. On the morning of 14 July 1999, Karzai's father, Abdul Ahad Karzai, was gunned down as he was coming home from a mosque in the city of Quetta. Reports suggest that the Taliban carried out the assassination.[1] Following this incident, Karzai decided to work closely with the United Front (Northern Alliance), which was led by Ahmad Shah Massoud. In 2000 and 2001, he traveled to Europe and the United States to help gather support for the anti-Taliban movement.
As the United States armed forces were preparing for a confrontation with the Taliban in September 2001, Karzai began urging NATO nations to purge his country of Al-Qaeda. He told BBC "These Arabs, together with their foreign supporters and the Taliban, destroyed miles and miles of homes and orchards and vineyards... They have killed Afghans. They have trained their guns on Afghan lives... We want them out."[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamid_Karzai#Early_career
malaise
(269,087 posts)One more handpicked goon.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)The leader of a sovereign nation?
rocktivity
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Discussing Afghanistan without discussing the ethnicities is a complete waste of time.