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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:34 PM Feb 2013

Wow- Another photo of Chinese Air pollution- The republican model for our future


At left, a view of downtown Beijing on a clear day. At right, the same view on Wednesday night, U.S. east coast time. Click to enlarge. (Photos by Bill Bishop)

China’s air pollution has been bad lately. Really, really bad. We’ve posted photos of it before, but the above shot really drives home how severe this has gotten.

Both photos were taken in Beijing by Bill Bishop, who runs an excellent all-things-China e-mail newsletter called Sinocism (go subscribe). The photo on the left shows his view on a clear day. That tall building is the mammoth China World Trade Center Tower III.

On the right is a photo of the same view, taken late on Wednesday, U.S. East Coast time, or about 8 a.m. Beijing time. The 81-story skyscraper is all but invisible, shrouded by a layer of pollution so dense that even close-up objects are a blur.
Air pollution is gauged by a measurement called particles per cubic meter of air, sometimes abbreviated PM2.5 because it measures particles smaller than 2.5 micrometers wide. The higher the PM2.5 rating, the more dangerous particles are in the high, the worse the air is for your health.

To give you a sense of scale, there’s a big controversy in Utah right now because the PM2.5 air pollution in Salt Lake City has sometimes hit as high as 69. That number is considered unhealthy. According to the Environmental Protection Agency, even adults should avoid all outdoor activities if the count hits 300. In Beijing and other Chinese cities, the air pollution rating can spend days hovering around 500.

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Wow- Another photo of Chinese Air pollution- The republican model for our future (Original Post) n2doc Feb 2013 OP
I have been in Beijing and seen the view in the right. liberal N proud Feb 2013 #1
Everyone breathes the same air badtoworse Feb 2013 #2
From personal experience... Niceguy1 Feb 2013 #3
Come on suck it up.... Historic NY Feb 2013 #5
Don't know Niceguy1 Feb 2013 #6
Please Evergreen Emerald Feb 2013 #8
China has so many people it's willing to let them die young for market advantage. aquart Feb 2013 #4
I was referring to this country in my post badtoworse Feb 2013 #7
Not everyone lives everywhere n2doc Feb 2013 #11
Do you actually know anything about air pollution and the efforts to control it? badtoworse Feb 2013 #12
Ah, the so called expert strikes n2doc Feb 2013 #13
I've developed and managed power plants for 30 years badtoworse Feb 2013 #14
What "broad brush"? Ask any republican their mantra and they will say 'Drill Baby Drill' or JaneyVee Mar 2013 #16
China is now the Capitalist Utopia VanillaRhapsody Feb 2013 #9
It never, ever, got that bad in Mexico City nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #10
Seems like the Chinese . . . Brigid Mar 2013 #15

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
1. I have been in Beijing and seen the view in the right.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:36 PM
Feb 2013

Until a few days later, I had no idea there were buildings across the street.

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
3. From personal experience...
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:52 PM
Feb 2013

Half of the people that commute to work via bicycle where I work are Republicans.... and they do it to help the environment and reduce oil use. My grandfather is a Republican and he is green as Kermit the frog.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
5. Come on suck it up....
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:56 PM
Feb 2013

the free market dictates money is more important.

The present crop of morans in congress would say that were over regulated and it doesn't mean a thing.

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
6. Don't know
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:07 PM
Feb 2013

I am not a Republican and I resist painting people with broad brushes. I really don't think that what is stated in the OP is what anyone wants or that it is even possible in this country.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
8. Please
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:30 PM
Feb 2013

The republican mantra is to stop regulation. Perhaps you should educate your friends. Perhaps they aren't as republican as they thought.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
4. China has so many people it's willing to let them die young for market advantage.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:56 PM
Feb 2013

With climate change crop failures and food animal die-offs already beginning, it's more practical to keep the pollution than fight it.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
7. I was referring to this country in my post
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:12 PM
Feb 2013

But I've always wondered why the Chinese put up with such egregious air quality. Yours is the most plausible explanation I've heard.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
11. Not everyone lives everywhere
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:18 PM
Feb 2013

The Republican goal is to remove all government regulations. The Repub elite (1%ers) will continue to live in their vacation palaces in nice, clean environments. But the rest of us will be facing unlimited pollution of everything, so long as a buck can be made from it. And then we will be sold remedies like masks and bottled water to 'cure' the problems.

They have stated that they want to dismantle the EPA and other environmental regulations.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
12. Do you actually know anything about air pollution and the efforts to control it?
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:35 PM
Feb 2013

It sounds to me like you're just regurgitating talking points

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
14. I've developed and managed power plants for 30 years
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:15 PM
Feb 2013

I do know a few things about air quality standards, pollution control, EPA regulations and air quality in general. On the other hand, I see a lot of broad brush BS posted on DU about air pollution and other environmental matters by people who know nothing about it.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
16. What "broad brush"? Ask any republican their mantra and they will say 'Drill Baby Drill' or
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 12:20 AM
Mar 2013

mumble something about "clean coal", whatever that is supposed to be. And forbid even mentioning the words climate change.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
9. China is now the Capitalist Utopia
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:13 PM
Feb 2013

they have a tiny group at the top that have most all the money....a handful in a middle class....and a vast vast vast underclass living hungry in poverty. No worker protection....36 hour shifts....living in dorms 12 to a bathroom...

wilth all that....who needs clean air and water?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
10. It never, ever, got that bad in Mexico City
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:15 PM
Feb 2013

Not even close. And it took measures I suspect the Chinese will not like.

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