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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 06:33 PM Mar 2013

Please sign the White House petition to vigorously support the Equal Rights Amendment

The Equal Rights Amendment was proposed in 1923 by Alice Paul. Wouldn't it be great if we could get it ratified before the 91st anniversary of her introducing the idea?

It will be resubmitted to congress next Wednesday by Bob Menendez (D-NJ) and Carolyn Maloney (D-NY). There's also a petition at the White House with almost 30,000 signatures. Why not pop over and sign it if you haven't already, and share it, too?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/vigorously-support-womens-rights-fully-engaging-efforts-ratify-1972-equal-rights-amendment-era/16XQWXpS

Thanks!

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Please sign the White House petition to vigorously support the Equal Rights Amendment (Original Post) redqueen Mar 2013 OP
K&R BainsBane Mar 2013 #1
I wonder if she ever imagined it still would not be ratified in 2013? MadrasT Mar 2013 #2
I doubt it. redqueen Mar 2013 #11
K&R&Signed! SunSeeker Mar 2013 #3
May I ask a question? customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #4
Equal pay, equal funding (Title IX is under artack), etc. redqueen Mar 2013 #8
The ERA would not be a sweeping elimination of gender bias. Jim Lane Mar 2013 #9
The 14th amendment is not sufficient, obviously. redqueen Mar 2013 #10
ERA would not enact gender neutrality throughout society. It wouldn't reach private action. Jim Lane Mar 2013 #18
How would an ERA have more force of law customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #19
K&R ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #5
Even the Republican Party officially supported the ERA from 1940 until 1972 slackmaster Mar 2013 #6
Done Kalidurga Mar 2013 #7
K&R! sheshe2 Mar 2013 #12
Would the ERA force girls to have to register for Selective Service? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #13
I don't see why they don't have to now customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #20
Thank you IrishAyes Mar 2013 #14
K&R and signed bdamomma Mar 2013 #15
kick BainsBane Mar 2013 #16
k&r Matariki Mar 2013 #17

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
11. I doubt it.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:02 PM
Mar 2013

It only took just over 70 to get the right to vote. It's possible she might have thought that having gotten the ball rolling, momentum would pick up.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
4. May I ask a question?
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 06:59 PM
Mar 2013

First and foremost, I'm 100% behind equality. Let's get that out of the way.

But surely things are different from the time that the ERA was most vigorously pushed in the early 1970's. Most who leave graduate school with masters degrees and doctorates are women. While we have not achieved numeric parity with the distribution of the two genders serving throughout elected office, we can certainly see states that have made incredible progress on this. Besides, it's all a matter of voter preference, and I just don't think the "I'd never vote for a woman," trogolodites are still out there in any significant numbers in any state.

What changes would enacting the ERA effectuate that are not already either happening, or will happen once old fogies with their heads still stuck in 1957 die off? If the answer is nothing, then this is probably more symbolic than anything. If the answer is that some things will change, what would they be? Those would be the grounds that our opponents will fight us on.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
8. Equal pay, equal funding (Title IX is under artack), etc.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:25 PM
Mar 2013

Some like to pretend that the 14th amendment is enough, but there really is a wage gap that can't be explained by any other factor than sex (despite all the propaganda from MRAs and conservatives), and all those lucky women on college are not getting equal access to an education if a depressing percentage of them are forced to attend school with their rapists.

I could go on but I'll leave it at that.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
9. The ERA would not be a sweeping elimination of gender bias.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:45 PM
Mar 2013

The ERA would not affect wages paid by any private employer. If any government employer is currently discriminating on the basis of sex, that would be prohibited by the Fourteenth Amendment as currently interpreted.

The ERA would not affect Title IX. The day after ratification of the ERA, Congress could repeal Title IX entirely and it would be perfectly constitutional.

Alice Paul and a legion of other opponents of discrimination didn't get the ERA enacted in that form, but their work surely influenced the Supreme Court's application of the Equal Protection Clause to sex discrimination. I would say that ERA supporters lost the battle but won the war. Our law today is where it would be if the ERA had been ratified.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
10. The 14th amendment is not sufficient, obviously.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:50 PM
Mar 2013

as evidenced by the need for the Lilly Ledbetter and Paycheck Acts.

And yes, with the ERA, we would no longer need Title IX.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
18. ERA would not enact gender neutrality throughout society. It wouldn't reach private action.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 02:19 AM
Mar 2013

The day after the ratification of the ERA, Congress could repeal the Lily Ledbetter Act. ERA would not mandate any particular method of calculating the statute of limitations for EEO claims (the subject of the Ledbetter Act). In fact, Congress would still have the power to repeal the Equal Pay Act entirely, because the ERA would not establish a Constitutional prohibition against sex discrimination by private employers.

It follows, of course, that the insufficiency of the Fourteenth Amendment would not be cured by the ERA, which would be equally insufficient in reaching private action. Similarly, the provisions of the proposed Paycheck Fairness Act, which deals with adjudicating claims under the Equal Pay Act, would not be implemented by the ERA. Passing the Paycheck Fairness Act would make an actual difference in how EEO suits come out, but passing the ERA would not.

The case of Title IX is more complicated because it was enacted way back in 1972. The result is that the areas it covers haven't been addressed under the Equal Protection Clause, because whether the Constitution requires the same result has been completely moot. (A court generally won't decide a case on constitutional grounds if there's a statutory basis available.) In that intervening forty years, the scope of equal protection has been expanded. Sex-discriminatory practices that had been accepted for decades (such as the males-only admission policy at Virginia Military Institute) have been held unconstitutional.

To hold that ERA would mean that Title IX would not be needed, you would have to maintain two propositions:
1. The Equal Protection Clause, as currently interpreted, would allow federal financial assistance to private programs or activities that discriminate on the basis of sex; and
2. The ERA would prohibit such federal financial assistance.

Neither of those propositions is clearly correct. Their conjunction is especially problematic. Some judges would reject a constitutional challenge under either theory, holding that the federal government can provide financial assistance to some private programs or activities that do not conform to all the restrictions applicable to direct governmental actions. Other judges would overturn the financial assistance under either theory, holding that what the government may not do directly (discriminate on the basis of sex) it may not do indirectly (by providing funds that support such a program or activity). For ERA to make a difference, there would have to be judges who were outside both these camps. Specifically, there would have to be judges who would reject the challenge under the Equal Protection Clause but would accept the challenge under the ERA. That seems like a tough parlay, because it would require such a judge to take a different view of the central question, namely the extent to which public funding of discriminatory private action is subject to anti-discrimination analysis.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
19. How would an ERA have more force of law
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 07:49 PM
Mar 2013

than the legislation you cite? I admit, it's far easier for a future Congress to overturn the Acts you mention than to repeal an Amendment, but is there really any danger of a future Repuke Congress and POTUS repealing those things? In my experience, Rethugs fight like hell against progress, but once it's achieved by legislative means, they pretty much leave it alone, except for occasional tampering at the margins, if they can find a toehold to do so.

It's important, because if this is merely symbolic, then it should have no opposition to passing. If however, somebody feels threatened by an ERA (isn't Phyllis Schafly almost dead?) wouldn't it require the expenditure of political capital to make it happen? That capital might be needed in coming fights over entitlements.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
6. Even the Republican Party officially supported the ERA from 1940 until 1972
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:04 PM
Mar 2013

They sat on the fence about it in 1976, and were against it in 1980.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
20. I don't see why they don't have to now
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 07:52 PM
Mar 2013

I doubt that the old men on the SCOTUS would force the issue, but if we ever get to a genuine progressive majority on the Court with three or four women Justices, how could they say that a woman shouldn't be able to have the same obligations (that go with rights) that a man has?

Somebody will bring a case on this, and it might well be decided that it's sex discrimination to have only men register, especially in an era when women can be serve in combat positions.

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