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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 05:35 PM Mar 2013

Holder: No drone strikes on Americans in US, except in 'extraordinary circumstance'

The Obama administration has no intention of carrying out drone strikes against suspected terrorists in the United States, but could use them in response to “an extraordinary circumstance” such as the 9/11 terror attacks, according to a letter from Attorney General Eric Holder obtained by NBC News.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., who received the March 4 letter from Holder, called the attorney general’s refusal to rule out drone strikes in the U.S. “more than frightening.”

The letter from Holder surfaced just as the Senate Intelligence Committee was voting 12-3 to confirm White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan to be CIA director. The vote came after the White House agreed to share additional classified memos on targeted drone strikes against U.S. citizens overseas.

Paul had threatened to hold up Brennan's confirmation on the floor of the Senate if the administration did not clarify whether targeted drone strikes could be used inside the U.S.

In his letter, Holder called the question of drone strikes inside the U.S. "entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur and we hope no president will ever have to confront. … As a policy matter, moreover, we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat."

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/05/17197906-holder-no-drone-strikes-on-americans-in-us-except-in-extraordinary-circumstance?lite

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Holder: No drone strikes on Americans in US, except in 'extraordinary circumstance' (Original Post) The Straight Story Mar 2013 OP
Will there be open, public, trials before the executions? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #1
Two questions: Cali_Democrat Mar 2013 #2
Well, the three instances Holder cites are the Civil War, December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #9
oh shit here we go dembotoz Mar 2013 #3
Oh, if it's only in extraordinary circumstances...then it MUSt be ok! HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #4
Define extraordinary circumstance jsr Mar 2013 #5
A 9/11 type day, a Waco kinda day, a cloudy Thursday... NightWatcher Mar 2013 #7
"Holder's answer was more detailed..." ProSense Mar 2013 #6
GOOD GOD, LOOK AT THAT HEADLINE. woo me with science Mar 2013 #8
Come up with a chain of command that ensures such instances are reviewed then. randome Mar 2013 #10
Yup, what we do is utterly reject the concept. If something extraordinary comes up TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #11
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
2. Two questions:
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 05:37 PM
Mar 2013

Who determines if it's an extraordinary circumstance?

Will the next Republican Administration exercise extreme caution when deploying drones armed with hellfire missiles against Americans?

Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)
9. Well, the three instances Holder cites are the Civil War, December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001.
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 05:52 PM
Mar 2013

So it's like obscenity: everyone will know it once they see it.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. Oh, if it's only in extraordinary circumstances...then it MUSt be ok!
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 05:40 PM
Mar 2013

Does anyone not realize that 12 years and some months after the fact, we are, indeed, still responding to the extraordinary circumstance of 911?


NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
7. A 9/11 type day, a Waco kinda day, a cloudy Thursday...
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 05:51 PM
Mar 2013

I just hope they'd show more concern for collateral damages than they have in Af/Pak.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. "Holder's answer was more detailed..."
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 05:51 PM
Mar 2013
<...>

Holder's answer was more detailed, however, stating that under certain circumstances, the president would have the authority to order lethal attacks on American citizens. The two possible examples of such "extraordinary" circumstances were the attack on Pearl Harbor and the 9/11 terrorist attacks. An American president order the use of lethal military force inside the US is "entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no president will ever have to confront," Holder wrote. Here's the bulk of the letter:

As members of this administration have previously indicated, the US government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and has no intention of doing so. As a policy matter moreover, we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat. We have a long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals located in our country who pose a threat to the United States and its interests abroad. Hundreds of individuals have been arrested and convicted of terrorism-related offenses in our federal courts.

The question you have posed is therefore entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the president could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances like a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001.

- more -

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/03/obama-admin-says-it-can-use-lethal-force-against-americans-us-soil


Senator Wyden made that point in a recent statement.

As I and ten other senators told the President yesterday, if individual Americans choose to take up arms against the United States, there will clearly be some circumstances in which the President has the authority to use lethal force against those Americans, just as President Lincoln had the authority to use force against the Confederate Army during the Civil War. At the same time, it is vitally important for Congress and the American public to have a full understanding of how the executive branch interprets this authority, so that Congress and the public can decide whether the President’s power to deliberately kill American citizens is subject to appropriate limitations and safeguards. Every American has the right to know when their government believes that it is allowed to kill them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022320280

This is not new, and no one is advocating the use of lethal force on American soil, but if this shuts Rand Paul up, I'm all for it.

It's sickening that assholes like Rand Paul get to demagogue these issues. He doesn't give a fuck about people and their lives.

Making hundreds of thousands hungry or homeless: 'Brutal' or 'a pittance'?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022457325
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Come up with a chain of command that ensures such instances are reviewed then.
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 05:58 PM
Mar 2013

I would think the government would do something if, say, a Mexican drug cartel crosses the border. They'd be on American soil then. Should we do nothing?

The future can't be predicted but we can make sure we meet unimagined possibilities with a sense of organization.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
11. Yup, what we do is utterly reject the concept. If something extraordinary comes up
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 06:18 PM
Mar 2013

the Executive has the power of the pardon and Congress can declare a war, specifically identifying the enemy.

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