*UPDATE*Is there any interest in forming a philosophy group? If you are interested please post here.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

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a little more info here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1259454

thanks.





Group is up and running:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1263

[struggle4progress]

1. That sounds interesting! Sign me up!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

3. consider yourself signed

[Gravitycollapse]

2. What is the telelogical purpose of a philosophy group?

Count me in.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

5. great! I nominate you to suggest an SoP

[rrneck]

4. I'm in.

I think it would be very interesting.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. cool - me too

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Where else to discuss Derrida and Foucault and the theory f the state?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

9. you are in

[guardian]

7. Il n'y a de réalité que dans l'action.

(There is no reality except in action.)

Jean-Paul Sartre, Existentialism is a Humanism

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. I think therefore I am ... thinking is an action verb. you are in

[grantcart]

25. Actually it isn't the thinking that creates the certainty it is the doubting

Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum (English: "I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am&quot


I seriously doubt that this group will ever be formed.

[Buzz Clik]

11. I'm philosophically opposed.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

13. you're in

[arthritisR_US]

12. I think, therefore I am, I think

Count me in!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

14. you are real - in

[WheelWalker]

50. I think I think: therefore, I think I am.

[arthritisR_US]

118. I like :)

[Dash87]

15. +1!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

16. +1 ... however, no math is required - you're in

[Glassunion]

17. I don't get it.

I thought the aim of philosophy is to start with something so simple that it seemingly not worth talking about, and to end with something so paradoxical that no one believes a word of it. We should just bring back Meta if that's the case.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

18. you may assist gravitycollapse with writing the SoP. you're in

[Glassunion]

21. Ok...

Statement of Purpose:

This group is to discuss philosophy. We will basically discuss common sense, however we will use big words.
In here, according to Nietzsche: God is dead. However, according to God: Nietzsche is dead.
If you read and don't understand what was written, or you write and don't understand what you mean, then you are doing it right.
If people understand you so poorly that they don't even understand your complaint about them not understanding you, then your doing it right.

Rules:
Rule #1 For every philosopher, there exists an equal and opposite philosopher.
Rule #2 They’re both wrong.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

22. and we are --- off ---

sent a link to this in ATA for further instructions.

[rhett o rick]

95. Just a second. Before we can be "off" we must define "on" and plez, plez no calculus.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

97. math is down the hall, on the right ...

without... on ... there is no ...off

[rhett o rick]

98. I said no calculus. And I doubt there is much math on the right.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

100. I can't hear you over the drums. Music is in the building the next block over

[guardian]

27. Rule 3.

Non-members of the group look up when they wish to be exalted. Members of the group look down because they are exalted.

[rhett o rick]

96. How can there be "non-members" of a philosophy group?

[malthaussen]

145. And of course, our official song:

-- Mal

[Glassunion]

147. OMG!

I read the subject of your post, and before I clicked on it, this is exactly what ran through my head.

These guys have the answer for every question to life.

[rrneck]

29. You got it backwards

You start with an impossible paradox and boil it down to something so simple it can be applied anywhere.

[Glassunion]

34. See rules 1 & 2 in post 21.

You're doing it right.

[rrneck]

43. But

what if we're both just a simulacrum of a fat dude on a bridge over a trolly line that runs through a cave where I store my tricked out AR15 so the government won't come and take it away?

Okay, I better go and eat now.

[Hoyt]

19. I'm no philosopher - hope I spelled it correctly - but I would be interested in certain topics.

Good idea.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

20. you are in, Hoyt

and thanks

[seabeyond]

23. love it. cant wait. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

24. you are in, my friend -

[kairos12]

26. I Kant see why not. Count me in.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

58. lol ... count yourself In!

[demwing]

28. oh absolutely

let's

[Tuesday Afternoon]

59. do this thing ... you are in

[Live and Learn]

30. I'd like to see such a group formed. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

60. I think it is a done deal - just need to iron out the details. see you there!

[PufPuf23]

31. I am all for a Philosophy group

The problems with the vast majority of groups on DU is lack of participation.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

61. true enough ... we shall see ... of course this means that I will be especially looking for your

contributions to the group

[TDale313]

32. I'm in!

My first proposal:

Liberals tend to be more in line with Locke in their world view. Conservatives more in line with Hobbes.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

62. yes, you are! look forward to hearing you expand on that thought!

[The Straight Story]

33. Can we name it Meta-Philosophy, just to mess with people?

We could argue over words and their impact on an internet forum.....

[Tuesday Afternoon]

63. sounds like a question for Skinner...wonder if he will participate? you are in, btw

[Lint Head]

35. "If" is a conjecture from the past. Does "If" disappear once all alternatives have been satisfied

in the future? A present conjecture would be "If only".

My answer is yes.

[WheelWalker]

49. No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical.

Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

64. you are -so- in!

[Comrade_McKenzie]

36. As long as Ayn Rand is a banned topic, other than criticism... sounds good.

[Demo_Chris]

38. Yeah, that would be a great start to a philosophy forum

[TDale313]

39. Yeah, I second that!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

75. that means you are in

[TM99]

54. Considering the fact that no serious academic

philosopher would ever consider her even worthy of a read, then yeah, that should not be too difficult!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

67. you are in

[Tuesday Afternoon]

65. but, then how else can we discuss how many ways she is wrong? you are in

[rhett o rick]

105. I get the sarcasm. Very good. Banning subjects in a philosophy group. LOL.

Sarcasm rules. Your in.

[Kennah]

134. We should first consider whether call AR a mindless fucking twit counts as criticism

On the surface, it appears to represent criticism. However, one can easily argue such comments should be moved by the admins to the Captain Obvious Forum. Your thoughts?

[Demo_Chris]

37. I wanna play too!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

66. you are playing!

[ismnotwasm]

40. I love philosophy

But I'm strictly amateur

[Tuesday Afternoon]

74. strictly speaking - you are in

[Le Taz Hot]

41. Possibly.

I took a philosophy class in college but it was sandwiched in with everything else and it was just another class to check off the list. I didn't really get time to get my teeth into it. However, I'm taking a coursera course (www.coursera.org for anyone interested) called "Know Thyself" which is a philosophy course. I don't know if I have enough knowledge about the subject (yet) but I'm willing to give it a try if others are interested.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

76. you are in - see you there!

[YoungDemCA]

42. Yes!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

78. you got it.

[rhett o rick]

44. Is a philosophy apologist welcome? nm

[Tuesday Afternoon]

79. apology accepted. you are in

[rhett o rick]

92. I generally dont join groups whose standards are so low as to allow me as a member.

or Groucho.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

93. the general doesn't blame you -

or Groucho

[SoLeftIAmRight]

45. I vote yes

Two of my favorite quotes - what are yours?


"Something that does not exist in itself can, because it is produced in respect to its form (though not in respect to its existence) by the subject with its form of intuition and thought, be known as an empirical reality.

For although in a certain sense and for light-minded persons non-existent things can be more easily and irresponsibly represented in words than existing things, for the serious and conscientious historian it is just the reverse.

Nothing is harder, yet nothing is more necessary, than to speak of certain things whose existence is neither demonstrable nor probable.

The very fact that serious and conscientious men treat them as existing things brings them a step closer to existence and to the possibility of being born."




"Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose."

[Tuesday Afternoon]

80. I reall like that second one ... you are in

I will post more on the subject in the group, thanks

[Flying Squirrel]

46. I think not.....

(Disappears)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

82. therfore - you are in, where ever you are

[BrotherIvan]

47. A funny thing happened on the way to a Philosophy degree

I was working to pay for my ridiculously expensive college education at a very high-end retail store. I was waiting on a woman and her husband who was more than annoyed to be in the cosmetics department at the Chanel counter. He took great delight in treating me like crap and made more than a few comments implying I was just a stupid salesgirl, even implying I couldn't add in my head when his wife asked me to subtotal her purchases.

A co-worker came up and said, "You can't treat her like that. Do you know where she goes to college?" He asked and I answered. He scoffed and rudely asked my major. When I answered, "Philosophy." He guffawed and said, "I thought they didn't make that anymore." I just grinned.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

73. cool story, bro (sorry - couldn't resist) you are in!

[WheelWalker]

48. I'll go there.

The name is Wisdom. John Wisdom.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

72. I'll see you there. you are in

[Warren DeMontague]

51. but, really, what would be the point?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

71. nice gif. you are in!

[Make7]

116. 10,304,924 bytes? Are you fucking serious? ( n/t )

[Warren DeMontague]

124. do you think it's too big?

honestly, that's not the first time I've heard that.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

135. we need you. you are drafted in -

[Kennah]

52. It is an interesting concept, but we'll have to discuss it.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

70. think about it and get back to me. you are in

[jberryhill]

53. Why?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

69. you know why. you are in

[TM99]

55. Yes, very much so!

My undergraduate degree is in philosophy. As an ignostic Buddhist, I approach it far more as a philosophical system of living than a religion that I follow.

I keep up on the latest academic studies in the philosophy of religion, mind, consciousness, and science.

I would definitely participate frequently.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

68. good ... as noted above, you are in

[TM99]

99. Thanks Tuesday! nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

101. yw and Welcome to DU -- enjoy!

[ladjf]

56. Philosophy, the science that searches for truth, is all but dead in the education system. Yet, no

course is more important.

The DU is a forum that attempts to define the truths of politics and as such, is a branch of philosophy.

Sign me up. I'll be there for the philosophy group.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

57. you are in!

[mfcorey1]

81. One can assume that in PLATO'S ALLEGORY OF THE CAVE , real things

exist only in the mind. Does that define our political discourse? I'm in.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

94. you are -so- in

[rhett o rick]

103. What? Just because they spelled Plato correct you let them in?

Maybe Baudrillard, Descartes, or Nietzsche, but Plato?

[ladjf]

117. I don't interpret the cave allegory in that way. Prisoner one escaped the cave and while outside

became aware of the physical realities of the world outside of the cave. When he returned to free the other prisoners, telling them the truths, the refused to leave, preferring to believe their
false theories.

So, it appears to me that realities existed in the physical World. The point of view was the deciding factor.

The Existentialist all but killed the science of philosophy by postulating that the realities where present within their minds and by doing so, they refused to leave the "caves" of their minds. They seem to be derisive about physical science observations as a means of understanding truth. If my theory about them is correct, they were making the same mistake religious thinkers make, that is to fundamentally fabricate the truth from the whole cloth of their minds.

[mfcorey1]

119. Powerful dissection. However, the prisoners still believed that the truth was in their minds. One

can deflect to truth when supported by reality.

[Egalitarian Thug]

77. Will there be cake?

Might be interesting, but then again it might not. How cynical of me.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

83. cake because pie is for math - you are in

[raccoon]

84. I might be. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

85. you might be in, maybe ... yeah, I think you are in

[sigmasix]

86. factory was closed

Ever since the philosphy factory shut-down I've been wondering what to do with my education. Count me in- I'll bring bruce.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

87. see you there with Bruce - you are in -

[LuvNewcastle]

88. I think we need one.

A lot of people associate philosophy with religion, but I don't think those topics would fit together very well on DU. I'm all for starting a new group.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

89. see you there - you are in

[Brainstormy]

90. "Someone in my Philosophy Group said . . ."

Seems like just being able to drop that into a conversation makes joining worthwhile

[Tuesday Afternoon]

91. sounds -so- I don't know --retro, maybe --- you are in

heavy... scholarly ... all Maynard G. Krebbs

[AngryAmish]

102. Hey, I want to join to ask more or less one question.

It is my belief that philosophy does not exist. Obviously, one has to define terms such as what is philosophy. For the sake of this discussion philosophy is to inquire about how we think and how we describe reality.

So my belief is we must inquire about the physical properties of our brain and figure out the physical, chemical process of creating thoughts before we can get to the hows and whys of existence. (On a side note the only reliable way to figure out the chemistry is using science and the scientific method - which is a branch of philosophy!)

ANyway, philosophers are the best arguers on earth. THis does not mean they have any special insight upon reality, just that they can out-argue their opponents.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

104. you are in

[bighart]

106. Sign me up.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

107. consider it done - you are in

[Shivering Jemmy]

108. Yes

[Tuesday Afternoon]

109. Welcome to DU and you are in!

[NYC_SKP]

110. Eleven...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

111. 42 ...You are in

[JaneyVee]

112. Would love a philosophy group.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

113. you are in

[malthaussen]

114. The unexamined life is not worth living.

But I'd rather have a hot woman and a cold beer.

-- Mal

[Tuesday Afternoon]

115. you are -really- in

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

120. I'd be up for that.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

121. good to see you. you are in

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

122. ~-~-~-~

[Tuesday Afternoon]

123. party time

[Tuesday Afternoon]

125. Update ... need input on a mission statement/SoP to present to Skinner. Thanks, all ---

are we voting on Glassunions's proposal upthread?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

126. Perhaps the bast way to start a thread in this group is with a question. Such as...

...Why do noses run and feet smell?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

127. lol .... is that your mission statement for Skinner's approval?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

128. Not exactly

I just thought perhaps I could contribute to the SoP by proposing a format.
Ask a question in your OP subject and relate your view(s) in the text (or not).

It my be a good idea to outline any areas that will be De facto off topic.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

130. I have to sign off for the night. Can you post a subject of your choosing and your view on it

outline, SoP expand on Glassunion's above. We will need something for Skinner to approve.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

132. I'll try.

Have a good night.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

133. thanks. I won't be back until late tomorrow evening. See what all the group can come up with.

Good night

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

129. I also propose that the group mascot is the...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

131. I like it. Do we need a second and then put it to a vote?

[Kali]

136. kick and joining for the mission statement alone!

love it

[Tuesday Afternoon]

137. you are in and thanks for the kick

[seabeyond]

138. love your SOP. sounds just like the forum for me, lol. or group that is. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

140. credit goes to Glassunion ... he wrote a good one

[Locut0s]

139. I think I'm in.... Or do I?... Hmm....?...

nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

142. you are in, why is the question now ;-)

[MrMickeysMom]

141. Can I become a STAND UP PHILOSOPHER?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

143. lol ... a funny thing happened --- you're in

[MrMickeysMom]

144. Awwright!

I hope I have time, but if I don't, I'm sure I can bullshit!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

146. *UPDATE* Group is up and running !! link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1263