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mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Thanks 
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)That's where I saw it first.
roxy1234
(117 posts)Libertarians are also bad at being a chef, carpenter, police, doctor, soldiers, lawyers etc etc because they just sit on their ass instead of doing the job they are paid to do.
But it makes a lot of sense if u turn off your brain.
The problem is that you have to pay them in advance, individually, for their services.
If you're drowning, it's sort of difficult to offer payment.
roxy1234
(117 posts)Payment for admission covers for life guard, lighting for pool if indoor and water in the pool. It is all covered. But I know what you are getting at, u are trying to say that they will demand payment before acting. Still that wouldn't exactly describe libertarians because in this case their love of money will in fact force em to change their business tactics.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)anyone else thing.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)It was a libertarians believe people need to save themselves kinda thing
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Even when they are unable or it's impossible to save themselves.
Yeah... I get it.
roxy1234
(117 posts)Showing a libertarian car salesman taking out the airbags in a car in front of a potential car buyers and then writing the caption
"Libertarians make bad car salesmen"
The person going to a pool with a life guard is already taking care of themselves. How a libertarian would work in this case will be showing a bunch of em opposing govt funding of lifeguards in public swimming pool . Along with opposing public pools, but that doesnt have the same effect as the cartoon in the OP
JaneyVee
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dairydog91
(951 posts)I suppose the hard-line libertarian would say that a random passerby has no duty to rescue drowning people. Maybe even a trained lifeguard, who doesn't work at the pool in question.
A lifeguard who works at the pool, on the other hand, has assumed a duty to rescue people drowning in the pool at which he works. That would be one of the conditions of the job. The owner hired the lifeguard to perform certain duties; if he guard doesn't perform the duties, he's failed to live up to his employment contract.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Maybe the toon should show a Libertarian Stand-up Comic urging a somber audience to get off their asses and make themselves laugh?
roxy1234
(117 posts)Shouting
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!
demwing
(16,916 posts)Getting pulled over by a cop, shouting drunkenly:
JEWWSSS!!!!!
Btw , thanks for Apocalypto. AWESOME movie!
sangsaran
(67 posts)We've seen the actions of the people who pay for conservatives to scale down market regulation and social safety nets. They make a habit of killing the economy and leaving the poor to rot.
From what I can tell, they don't care about making money, or being wealthy. They already accomplished that. They're interested in one thing, and one thing only: they want everyone else to live on their terms.
If paying the admission fee is enough to keep you alive (life being one of our inalienable rights), why are they trying to cut away all of the social programs which keep American citizens safe? Why do they refuse to offer universal health care, leaving many Americans to die of disease? Why do they want to dismantle the FDA, which exists to ensure the food we're eating and drugs we're taking won't kill us?
The taxpayers have paid, in part, for the government to do everything in its power to keep them alive. So, why are libertarians standing in the way of something we've paid for?
roxy1234
(117 posts)These people are not monsters, they just have a different view on how society should be run than you. They hate govt authority and get a kick out of going around telling people they have principle .It doesnt necessarily mean they will refuse to help a dying person on the street if they ran into one just that they do not want govt to do it.
In time, we gonna have to work with these people, so please lets try and understand them.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)That seems PRETTY MONSTROUS to me.
Kennah
(14,348 posts)
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Work with a dyed-in-the-wool Libertarian and get back to me.
Those that apologize for them are easily fooled.
roxy1234
(117 posts)But if they were hired to be a lifeguard why in the world do you think they will sit on their ass and risk getting fired. This is just what am pointing out with this cartoon. It is supposed to be clever but when u think it through it is not how it works in reality
Kennah
(14,348 posts)We'll call him Fred for the sake of discussion.
Fred delighted in babbling on at length about whatever bullshit Glenn Beck was telling him to think that day. Once I recall him lecturing about the 14th Amendment, and I challenged him on it. Fred said that he had read the entire Constitution so he knew what it said. Took me about 30 seconds to open up an Internet browser, and pull up the 14th Amendment in wiki. I pointed and didn't say a word. He read and capitulated immediately that he was wrong, so on that I will give him credit for saying he was wrong when caught. Not being quite done with Fred, I asked, "I thought you'd read the entire Constitution?" He answered, "Well, it's kinda long so I haven't read it all." That night, I gave a printed copy of the Constitution, including all the Amendments, to my oldest. I think he was about 6 years old at the time. I asked, "Heh bud, would you like to read the Constitution?" This kid almost has an addiction to reading, so he gladly answered, "Sure." We sat down, and he read it straight through. Might have been 10 minutes. At 6 years old, he probably didn't have the comprehension skills to fully understand everything, and there were some words for which he asked about the meaning. Nevertheless, I'd demonstrated to myself a bit of truth about libertarians. I didn't tell Fred about my son reading the Constitution, but the fucker never mentioned "Black's Law" again.
Fred was most articulate about whatever half-assed theory or conspiracy he was spouting when he would reference a movie. I came to realize that he learned what he knew by letting Glenn Beck tell him what to think, and that movies compounded his views of the world. "It was in a movie, and that made it so."
Fred followed me to another company. That company provided free sodas and snacks in the lunchroom in exchange for the employees cleaning up after themselves in the lunchroom and working a rotating lunchroom detail keeping it clean. Among the snacks were peanut butter and crackers. This turd started philosophizing about the workplace. He extolled the virtues of a previous job, and the reason for his fond memories were the fact that the company provided bread, peanut butter, and jelly in the lunchroom so that one could always have a PB&J sandwich.
No one really liked Fred, and his ability to talk bullshit at the previous job wasn't keeping him in management's good graces at the new place. A few months in, a couple of us were talking about him, and one of the guys who'd been there a while said as he turned and looked directly at me, "I don't think Fred is going to be here for the whole length of this contract." Since Fred regularly humped my leg, philosophically, I took that as a message to pass along to Fred. Within a week, an opportunity presented itself for me to share that with Fred. Shortly thereafter, he moved on. About a week later, one of the senior guys commented how Fred apparently had not done one bit of work in the months he'd been there, even though he managed to talk a really good game of bullshit.
A few things learned about libertarians.
They are liars.
They don't read books and instead watch movies.
They expect free stuff.
They often work hard at avoiding work.
roxy1234
(117 posts)You said you Fred was a die hard libertarian wingnut and a Glenn Beck listener, do you know its like saying Sara was a die hard progressives who regurgitates everything Joe Lieberman tells her. Any chance Fred in this story is just a reich winger who decided to re-brand himself after the failed experiment called GW Bush?
Anyway, anyone that talks politics at work especially conspiracy theory politics at work is generally someone you don't want around the office. Also you cannot judge a group of people by one experience you had with one. Also didn't Beck just re brand himself also as a libertarian just last week?
Kennah
(14,348 posts)He was a VERY consistent Randian, which means he didn't know shit--just what he was told to think.
AFAIK, Beck has been calling himself a libertarian since about 2003 when I first heard of him.
klook
(12,171 posts)who just crowed the day Bush Jr. was re-selected. I've lost track of this idiot (who was also completely lazy and good-for-nothing, and perfectly happy for the rest of the team to do his work for him), but I'd love to know how he's feeling these days!
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)The Libertarian I worked with was the laziest fuck that ever drew a paycheck, a back-stabbing pissant who would shirk work like no tomorrow, then complain that he wasn't paid as much as his co-workers.
But he had no problem telling anyone that would listen that it was lazy Democrats ruining this country's workforce.
Kennah
(14,348 posts)I worked with this RW Catholic fuckhead who was about as lazy and unskilled as I have seen in application programming. He was a first rate brown noser and back stabber. RW Xians are really good at fucking over others, so long as they show up for mass or Sunday service.
On Sunday a Saint. On Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, they ain't.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Libertarians believe in taking personal responsibility. Not having to rely on others. The people floating in the pool obviously didnt take enough responsibility to learn to swim. And it's just too bad for them if they were relying on a lifeguard.
roxy1234
(117 posts)very likely, he is paid to perform this job. So this is just him slacking on the job, he is not a charity worker or a volunteer, he doesnt have to care for these swimmers, all he has to do is perform his job. So if you believe this, you have to believe libertarians slack on the job all the time.
This was either created by someone who think most lifeguards are unpaid volunteered who take up the duty out of the goodness of their hearts. They are selfish and do not care for others but that is different from saying they are slackers.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)very likely a metaphor, meant to highlight the viewpoint through satire. This is you not getting satire, it is often an indicator of good satire that it goes over most people's heads, or at least the ones that the satire is targeted at.
Further more the pool pictured may have a sign posted that read "Lifeguard services are for due payers only" and none of the, erhm, floaters were paid up. You are defending someone with very little information. Take it for what it is, absurdity, much like the Libertarian viewpoint.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and then getting upset. It's not about libertarians being slackers it's about libertarians not believing in safety nets. Every swimmer for themselves. If you want to be literal, there probably is never a lifeguard that's a libertarian.
FreeBC
(403 posts)Both times I was paid by a city.
If it was up to libertarians I imagine the beach would go unprotected and the pool wouldn't have even been there in the first place.
klook
(12,171 posts)and thence a demotion or even dismissal, thus illustrating the invisible hand of the free market at work! And that would make a very funny cartoon, I'm sure. Look for it soon in the National Review!
Kennah
(14,348 posts)Glenn Greenwald is a personal friend, I will make sure to mention you next time I see him 
trumad
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amb123
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freethought
(2,457 posts)In the movie they have this "Counterpoint" editorial:
"They bought their tickets! They new what they were getting into! I say, let'em crash."
This kid of reminds me of that.
"They went in the pool, surely they knew they might drown!"
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)All they are is repukes who are MORE selfish and ignorant.