Why oppose organize religion - they are against pro choice but kill in wars and never oppose them

[2Design]

Saying they shouldn't give communion to politician known to be prochoice is what they did to Kerry - yet is was ok to election a person who believed in invading and killing - BS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Bergoglio

Bergoglio has encouraged his clergy and laity to oppose both abortion and euthanasia, describing the pro-choice movement as a "culture of death".[49] Francis opposed the free distribution of contraceptives in Argentina.[50] The document links worthiness to receive the Eucharist, to compliance and acceptance of Church teaching against "abominable crimes" such as abortion and euthanasia:[48][51][52][53]

"We hope that legislators, heads of government, and health professionals, conscious of the dignity of human life and of the rootedness of the family in our peoples, will defend and protect it from the abominable crimes of abortion and euthanasia; that is their responsibility ... We should commit ourselves to 'eucharistic coherence', that is, we should be conscious that people cannot receive Holy Communion and at the same time act or speak against the commandments, in particular when abortion, euthanasia, and other serious crimes against life and family are facilitated. This responsibility applies particularly to legislators, governors, and health professionals."

Statements made during his presentation which referred to a topical Argentinian abortion case were opposed by that country's government, who stated that "the diagnosis of the Church in relation to social problems in Argentina is correct, but to mix that with abortion and euthanasia, is at least a clear example of ideological malfeasance."[48]

[Union Scribe]

1. They never oppose wars?

Is that what you really meant to say? It's kind of hard to tell, because it was written so terribly.

[Loudly]

2. Same shit different day with this guy. And chosen precisely because of it.

I like that he is both Italian and South American though. Perfect crossover for the brand.

[pnwmom]

3. The Catholic Church spoke out against the Iraq war.

And many other denominations did, too.

[2Design]

4. did they refuse communion to those who voted for war

did they call them out like they did Kerry when he ran for president - they were against Kerry but for Bush even after all his war mongering and torture

[pnwmom]

5. The Dems who voted for the IWR signed a document that limited Bush

to attacking only if they found weapons of mass destruction. The Dems who signed knew that the incoming Congress would be led by Repubs who would give Bush a blank check, so they agreed instead to a bi-partisan war resolution that contained conditions.

Bush ignored the terms of the resolution and went to war anyway.

The Bishops were a consistent voice against the war but there was no reason for them to deny communion to Joe Biden and the other Dems who had signed the resolution in order to place limits on Bush's actions.

[caseymoz]

6. Actually they have.

Bishops have protested it. Nuns have as well.

But I'll concede, they put a lot more effort into opposing abortion and birth control. A lot more.

[RainDog]

7. Yet a priest who murdered and tortured leftists in Argentina was given communion

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I would assume, since, after the church leaders in Argentina shielded him from prosecution, and after he was brought back to Argentina for trial, he was allowed to celebrate Mass in prison, and I would assume that included communion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/world/europe/new-pope-theologically-conservative-but-with-a-common-touch.html

In November 2005, Cardinal Bergoglio was elected head of the Argentine Conference of Bishops for a three-year term, which was renewed in 2008. At the time he was chosen, the Argentine church was dealing with a notorious political scandal, that of the Rev. Christian von Wernich, a former chaplain of the Buenos Aires police who had been accused of aiding in the questioning, torture and death of political prisoners.

The church authorities had spirited Father von Wernich out of the country and placed him in a parish in Chile under a false name, but he was eventually brought back to Argentina and put on trial. In 2007, he was found guilty on seven counts of complicity in homicide, more than 40 counts of kidnapping and more than 30 of torture, and was sentenced to life imprisonment.

Father von Wernich was allowed to continue to celebrate Mass in prison, and in 2010 a church official said that “at the appropriate time, von Wernich’s situation will have to be resolved in accordance with canonical law.” But Cardinal Bergoglio never issued a formal apology on behalf of the church, or commented directly on the case, and during his tenure the bishops’ conference was similarly silent.

Only in November 2012, a year after Cardinal Bergoglio had stepped down as head of the bishops’ conference, did the group address the issue of its role during the dictatorship. It came in response to remarks in which the former dictator, General Videla, had, in the words of the statement the bishops issued, “attributed to those who then led the Conference complicity in criminal acts.” The bishops’ statement denied General Videla’s accusation and claimed that church leaders of the time “tried to do what was within their reach for the welfare of all.”