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Obviously from the past. :
http://www.retronaut.com/2013/03/women-in-shorts-cause-car-to-crash-into-pole/?fb_action_ids=10151570069393594&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map={%2210151570069393594%22%3A473656669368763}&action_type_map={%2210151570069393594%22%3A%22og.likes%22}&action_ref_map=[]
peace13
(11,076 posts)that is the question. Good picture. Thanks.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Melon_Lord
(105 posts)Except it was a low cut halter top I believe...
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Melon_Lord
(105 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)My heart sinks just looking at that photo.
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pintobean
(18,101 posts)That would be 13-18 year old girls.
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)At Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:24 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
This happens to me at least once a week
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New poster talking about ogling high school girls. He must have the wrong site.
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pintobean
(18,101 posts)I figured it wouldn't get hidden. Sad.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Not really going to fight it. This is what DU is. People either have to learn to deal with the creepy man/wannabe sexual predator factor, or find somewhere without such people.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)here need to "get a life" because that stuff is "harmless" and "biology."
The fight over sexism is over--they won.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Even pedophiles are given a wink and a nod.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)when we come across it here, but that's clearly the dominant community ethos.
I'm sure that creepy juror #2, when he's not masturbating to pictures of high school girls, would chastise us for being "sex-negative."
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Yep. It's still worth calling the male entitlement mentality out
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geek is very over the top. \"when he\'s not masturbating to pictures of high school girls, would chastise us for being \"sex-negative.\" Geek continued postsseems to be more obsessed than just the norm
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I was #3 or #6. Sexism here is A-OK, but calling it out gets put up for a vote among the "liberals" on the left. Disgusting.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and lusting after children than it is to actually lust after children here.
And, the juror who accused me of sexism wouldn't recognize sexism if he tripped over it.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)sucks donkey ass just as much as Meta did.
This is the result. Pedophilia is okay.
Let's see how much more disgusting we can get.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It doesn't exist because of its own merits.
I imagine Violentacrez from Reddit has registered here by now.
a thread on a pastry. throw in vagina and a thread of men mouthing off crude and vulgar about the womans body for a little laugh.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Fortunately there are so many good men here. The ones that say what they try to do is be 'good people' (I forgot who said that but it just nailed it all) and trying to define what being a 'man' is just plain complicated and stupid. Just try to be good people.
Of course he said it a lot better than I just did.
Why are some so afraid of us women? I guess that is what they were taught by their parents, their peers, their churches. Hell, practically everything out there has some teachings on the evilness and limited uses of women.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Sexism, Misogyny ...
AND, belittling or deriding anyone who attempts to address it.
(I left du for a while because of this, but have since decided to continue to advocate for DUers to stop objectifying and disrespecting women.)
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Skinner has says the way to handle these things is not to hide them but to educate.
So we need more than the 'five or six' people whom too many DUers find so easy to mock, ridicule and ignore when it comes to these issues. (In truth it is way more than five or six, but since we are clearly outnumbered, the propaganda works.)
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)i'm absolutely disgusted. the poster should be immediately ppr'd for stating he/she likes to get off looking at underage girls. this is going too far.
unless they are underage themselves (which, i think you're supposed to be over 18 to post here right? ) this might be my last straw here.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But, this site has become a safe haven for this type of creep--see juror comment #2.
I can trace it to when at least two men talked about how they've committed rapes in the past, and got pats on the back instead of PPRs.
What rape culture?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)is what one checks when signing up at DU. You can click "My Account" at the top of any page to see it. I doubt that the poster is under 18, though. It's creepy.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)ppr'd?
Damn. Just damn.
What if he had said he saw some high schoolers with short skirt and plunging necklines -- and they looked like whores? THAT might have gotten the post hidden and THAT might have gotten him ppr'd.
Ridiculous.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)but would kindly request that you not reply to me with nothing but repeated personal attacks, as that's kind of stalkerish.
Thank you for complying.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)you're just making nice with the feminists in hopes of getting laid. That seems to be a common response to male allies.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the "little chihuahua" of the feminists here in comments though.
Essentially haven't risen beyond schoolyard taunts, which makes sense given the overall tenor of their remarks.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)don't see the need to live up to a hypermasculine stereotype in order to feel like men.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)so much as uninformed and rather provincial in their outlook. If anything, not quite developed enough to address these issues head on with maturity.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Chihuahua, get it? Cause the're small? And non threatening? And macho men are big and threatening!
Such rank fucking idiocy.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)claims of victimhood seriously.
"But I have to work for a living and be a father to my children and ask women out on dates."
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)In_The_Wind
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Rex
(65,616 posts)At least someone is paying attention.
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)at least they were outed before more shit was stirred. what the ppr'd poster said was an obvious attempt to get a reaction and it did. a sensitive subject that i'm naively surprised was actually defended by some posters.
i'm afraid some damage has been done, though. everyone who had their say in the "debate" will now be labeled and divided. divide and conquer is a strong tactic and i think trolls such as this one know exactly what they're doing. i can't help but speak up for what i believe in, though, as much as i'd like to deny such trolls such attention. i don't need middle ground, just equal footing...
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I'm really curious how one somehow justifies a "child" "exploring her sexuality" yet being revulsed when a male acts exactly how you would predict: he looks at her.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of a potential sexual predator.
And I don't recall anyone saying that underage high school girls wearing sexually provocative clothing is something to be encouraged, except for creepy old perverts and sexual predators.
So, yeah, if you think pedophilia is within DU standards and that statutory rape law should be outlawed, defend that shit.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Incredible.
I guess I'm just not all in with DU's ability to go completely insane over absolutely NOTHING.
By the way, accusing that poster of pedophilia is truly disgusting -- you should be ashamed and apologize immediately.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)actively posting at DU about how they lust after children is reprehensible.
People can take that shit to 4chan.
No apology forthcoming. Go ahead and alert.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Yeah, no.
There's "just looking" at a nice car. There's "just looking" at a menu posted outside a restaurant. There's "just looking" at the message or picture on a t-shirt.
There's a certain way of "just looking" at AN UNDERAGE GIRL'S body (cleavage, rear end, legs, whatever) that is far, far away from "just looking" in a general sense.
As you and everyone else over the age of 18 on this planet well knows.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)It's simply irrelevant here.
Did you read the post in question before it was removed? Can you quote the part where he was looking at and underage girl's body in that "certain way"? Or, is this just an extrapolation on your part?
Having run into you multiple times before in these discussions, perhaps you are willing to address the only point I'm trying to make: It is completely inconsistent to encourage young girls to dress in sexually aggressive manner and then complain when the way they dress causes someone to say, "I noticed the way you were dressed." Anything?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)to crash into a car?
Come on, really?
This is the kind of word lawyering nonsense that no one but those who are as desperate to remain in denial would buy into.
If I, as a feminist, discuss girls dressing in ever more pornified ways, that's one thing. I'm 'noticing' the way they are dressed, but in a certain specific way.
If a man says that the situation that's been staged in this photo happens to him once a week (i.e. leering at underage girls to the point that he's risking the safety of himself and those around him), then that's quite a different thing. It's the kind of 'noticing' that any rational person labels as sick, twisted, and an example of 'ephebophilia' since the men who refuse to check their entitlement don't appreciate being labeled as pedophiles. As if it made that much difference.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)1) I cannot get anyone who responds to me to comment on the inconsistency I illustrated; and
2) The assumption is automatic that the now-banned poster actually crashed his car in the throes of sexual stimulation.
So let's back this up just a bit to allow you to address my point. Let's assume that the now-banned piggy had limited himself to saying only this: "I sometimes see high school girls dressed in a sexually aggressive manner that I find distracting." And, let's assume that there is no connotation whatsoever of the poster lusting after these girls. (That's actually the way I read the post when I first saw it.) Would you find the post objectionable?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)No one has assumed that he actually crashed his car.
This isn't really all that complicated.
The picture portrays a very clear scenario. He said it (or, as any reasonable person infers, something similar, but not exactly a car crash) happens to him on a weekly basis. In the context of leering at high school girls.
I'm not interested in your hypothetically word-smithing his statement to make it skirt a little closer to being more tolerable to non-sicko pervert predators. Thanks, though.
And, 'sexually aggressive'? How the hell is dressing in the pornified manner which society has normalized in any way being 'aggressive'?
No, they're not dressing in an 'aggressive' manner. They're dressing in a pornified manner.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Not my words. I am quoting verbatim from multiple threads here at DU. It's a frequent response when someone infers a woman or girl is "whorish" in her attire or if a woman's attire is used as an excuse for sexual assault/rape. I do NOT condone calling a woman or girl a whore for the way she dresses, nor do I tolerate a woman's attire as an excuse for hideous behavior. (I also don't call the current fashions "pornified" .
I guess I asked the wrong person.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)back it up
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)she's the one who's being characterized as "aggressive" and the creep ogling her just doing what's biologically natural for a man who is not dead.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)little girls..... and a grown man cant help himself.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Also, as for being dead, it's entirely likely that EVERYONE in those shots is dead by now, including the horse.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)at least once a week he almost crashes his car because he is ogling "cute high school girls" in "short skirts and booty shorts."
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Yes, I agree that it's good that fully 85% of this thread is focused on that problem.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)HAPPY DANCE!
pacalo
(24,721 posts)I think what we've been witnessing these past few days is the 12-step program in progress...
...'cause that happiness just isn't coming through for me, either.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)worrrrkin the program, oh yeah.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)I'm kind of missing the pingpong games & the frogger-game aspect of it.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Long story short, I went home to see my family during the holidays. One thing we do together a lot is watch TV dramas, it's a sibling tradition. My youngest sister is 14, and she showed me some of the teen shows she watched. This isn't Spongebob anymore.
One was about a high school girl sleeping with her teacher. This wasn't presented as pervy, the two were in "love". They met in a bar, and it's presented as a romantic relationship where they have to sneak around to avoid "annoying" parents getting in the way of Romeo and Juliet. A different show has one of the girls sleeping with her much older dance teacher. Both of these shows are on ABC Family.
It was a bit shocking to see a family channel broadcasting shows where men in their late 20s/early 30s are sleeping with sophomores and juniors. Don't be surprised when the next generation forms similar opinions.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)ABC family has some pretty raunchy stuff.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)We are reminded over and over again that young women (and that most definitely includes high school "girls" should be absolutely free to wear whatever level of revealing clothing they want because they are "exploring their sexuality" and being "sexually assertive." But the simple act of just acknowledging that these young women are dressed like that is disgusting? Worthy of alert?
BULLSHIT!
Thumbs up to the jury for getting this 100% correct.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to publicly express lust for children here.
Just like no one but creepy old perverts have said that we should encourage underage girls to dress in sexually provocative ways.
But hey, if you want high school girls to dress up according to your pornographic fantasies, you're the majority voice here.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Do you never read anything in any of the feminist forums at DU? Justifying even young girls from dressing in a "sexually assertive" way because they are merely "exploring their sexuality" is posted every day.
Want to try this out? Post the picture in the OP on one of those forums and tell the audience that the picture demonstrates that even back then girls were dressing like whores. Give it a shot.
(By the way, you have no way of knowing how old the women in the OP's pic are. They could be 14 years old.)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)yes, they are exploring sexuality. that is understanding the very bottom line in our youth growing, just as we do with our boys in certain behavior.
BUT... we also discuss the reasons, how it is not particularly healthy, the unfortunate repercussion of a pornifide society. we take it so beyond where you are capable. so your point absolutely stops short.
one of the issues would be the adult male world playing in the childs sexual journey.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It's about a poster talking about how they lust after the bodies of underage children.
That's what you're defending.
Statutory rape laws exist to protect children against creeps like that.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I'm tired of the repetition. Let's limit our conversation to one subthread.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)backtoblue
(11,343 posts)You can even get angry at me. Still doesn't change the fact that girls in high school are still underage and illegal to engage in sexual relations with.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)If you can put up a quote of mine that I said that "lusting after underage girls is ok", I will apologize and delete the text.
If you cannot, then I suggest you quit the bullshitting.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)someone asked him what's his problem, and you responded:
Granted, he showed questionable judgment posting an honest reaction at DU. The collective gasping and outrage is laughable, but a real pain in the ass when you're the target.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022505918#post35
Very clearly, you saw nothing wrong with someone talking about how ogled high school girls here. The "he's not dead" part seems to indicate you think that it's natural for men to ogle high school girls.
That is where you are coming from. Which is creepy.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)As I stated before, one subthread is plenty for our discussion.
Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #64)
Buzz Clik This message was self-deleted by its author.
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)i don't understand your point of view on this issue. sorry that we don't see things the same way, but I don't feel like i'm in any way a bullshitter. rather straightforward, actually.
maybe one day we can learn to open our minds to each other's point of views and have somewhat of an understanding as to what other's are trying to say.
arguing isn't going to change either of our minds, so i'm gonna call it a day.
peace
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Doncha know?
(Jic)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Granted, he showed questionable judgment posting an honest reaction at DU. The collective gasping and outrage is laughable, but a real pain in the ass when you're the target.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)is not something to be encouraged around here.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)What part of his post said that he wanted to have sex with the girls that he saw? Please be very specific and quote the words he said.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)are totally not expressing a desire to have sex with that person.
Sexually objectifying underage girls has no place here. None. Skinner bounced the creep.
It's really not an unfair burden to avoid sexually objectifying underage children here.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... that so clearly expressed his desire for sex with children?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He was expressing his sexual attraction to high school girls.
It's silly to pretend that "wow that high school girl looks hot in that short skirt" doesn't imply a desire to have sex with that high school girl.
By your standards, men could talk about how sexy they find Honey Boo Boo and how they like watching Toddlers and Tiaras.
Tell us--do you think men should be allowed to post pictures of 13 year olds in swimsuits and talk about how hot they look here, in the DU Lounge?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)"It happened to me last week. Cute high school girls in booty shorts and mini skirts. It should be illegal."
True, but he didn't say that.
My standards? When did I start showing lust for children? My point in posting here has been pretty simple: going insane over someone commenting the he saw some high school girls in short skirts while declaring that the girls dressed like that are "being sexually aggressive" is completely inconsistent. That's it. I won't be dragged into some tangential discussion.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and booty shorts" sex was totally not on his mind.
You are defending a guy who talked about how he couldn't help but stare at high school girls.
Why would you not defend a guy who saying something like "I almost crashed my car when I saw a cute little 9-year old in a short skirt" or "I get distracted when I see these five year olds running around in their tight, revealing outfits?"
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I stand by my point.
If you cannot comment on my point, then we're done here.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)how he got distracted because he was ogling high school girls.
And you were scolding those of us who objected to the idea that men should be able to talk about how they like ogling high school girls.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)On this thread, both he and I were accused of being pedophiles.
Back to my point: If you support the notion of high school girls (or younger) dressing in a sexually assertive way, then complaining about people talking about the way they dress is inconsistent.
That's it. Nothing more. Your refusal to address my point makes me assume that you cannot refute it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)dressing in sexually provocative ways?
Bzzt.
Don't express sexual attraction to girls under the age of consent. Really not a hard rule to follow for non-creepy men.
It's not natural, and those of us who are not dead manage to do it. Because we're not creeps.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Jesus fucking Christ!!
If you didn't want to discuss my point, why the hell did you respond to me at all?
You falsely accuse me of this shit one more time, and we kick up to another level.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and explained his ogling of high school girls as being due to the fact that "he's not dead."
I don't know what your proclivities are, but it is clear what you think should be allowed here--and that is to turn this place into Reddit or 4chan where sexual predators feel perfectly at home.
The fact is that people who are willing to talk about how they ogle high school girls on a political discussion board have problems.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I'm no longer worried about communicating with you.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)saying.
Your "he's not dead" explanation made in defense of his ogling of high school girls "at least once a week" is not difficult to interpret.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)"This happens to me at least once a week"
It was repeated behavior, fully knowing they were HS girls. It's perverted.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You didn't like it, but the jury voted to keep his post here.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It seems you showed up to defend the jury and the post. I'm guessing Geek checked the TOS box and that caused admin to take a look at it. Admin removed the post.
I searched his posts, and the only other problem post I saw was the one I linked to up-thread.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)we got that.
and if he didn't react in this perverted disgusting way, then his man parts are dead and he as a man, is dead because that is the measure of a man is to react sexually over anything female no matter what age.
yep, got that too.
you should stop digging.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Provide the quote, and I'll delete the text I posted.
If you can't provide the quote, then STFU and apologize.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)your sounded to the rest of us?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I am sure he knows he was in the wrong and went in too far, but instead of either leaving the conversation or finally realizing what he said was pretty awful, he dug in deeper for fear the herd would reject him.
that's pretty sad. because if we are unable to see where we go wrong sometimes, and apologize, then we don't really learn anything new. I've been such a dumbass so many times and will forever be a dumbass in a lot more things I don't even know about yet. But somehow along the way some light bulb goes off and I realize that, man, I was so wrong! And apologizing is liberating. It feels good.
And what I learn sometimes takes me a long long long time to 'get', I pass onto my kid, and she starts off a little higher on the Dumbass pole and avoids to have to make some apologizes.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to defend the indefensible but throwing a life buoy. lol. to buzz, putting ALL of us in our place or petty and silly conversation. probably to the point of hysteria.
jumping up and down, look at me, over here. lol
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Oh, I'm sorry: Why don't you tell me exactly how much indignation I am expected to express over "message auto-removed", and the level of moral exhortation I am supposed to convey, at this point, to "previously banned disruptor".
Whisp
(24,096 posts)We are all ears. Please educate us what you meant by that 'dead' thing you did.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You make a hideous inference without justification and then want me to explain a simple comment to you word-for-word?
You owe me an apology.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He embarrassed himself.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)nudge nudge wink wink
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You intentionally misrepresented my words and twisted them into a hideous implication. I don't find it funny or cute.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I already asked that and if you explain, maybe you will get a real apology for misunderstanding you.
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This isn't hurtful and rude. The other poster told her to STFU. That is hurtful and rude.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Rude. You're the one that should be embarrassed!
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: At this point in the thread *play ball*
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Whisp
(24,096 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)My replies should pretty well establish where I stand.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)A juvenile pig at that.
The post in THIS thread, however, was totally harmless. It was the amazing extrapolation from "girl watcher" to "pedophile" that has me stunned.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)MIR Team (Skinner) banned xilify
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some people get it. too many do not
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)evo psychology tells men so. see, it is science. and that is the only small circle you listen to, and nothing else penetrates thought, yes... the obvious is there for all of us as we listen.
they think it is a norm and the rest of us are saying....
eeeeew.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I mean, what red-blooded heterosexual American man doesn't see a 15 year old in a skirt and get a boner?
But we're the ones with the problem.
Statutory rape laws don't exist exclusively because of conservative men.
XRubicon
(2,212 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)Eta - cool pic, though. Thanks for sharing.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Sherlock.
Best wishes Watson.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)I didn't notice that at all. Dancers tend to do that out of affection with no other connotation.
polly7
(20,582 posts)My girlfriends and I did it in high-school, we'd grab hands and run or skip just because we were happy ..... stoned lol.
I see elderly women doing it more often than not .... it's sweet, they're guiding one another.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)They WERE PHOTOGRAPHED actually HOLDING HANDS IN PUBLIC!!!!!!!!!
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)but I guess it could be two blokes.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...that's EXACTLY what I think it is.
Take a close look at the person wearing the suit, perfectly framed between the 'V' of their arms as they hold hands. It's definitely a woman dressed to look like a man. I love this photo. Very daring for the time.
TYY
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)in public in earlier eras.
didn't imply a romantic or sexual relationship.
Renew Deal
(81,859 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The bumper isn't even slightly bent, look at the reflections in it.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Both pictures must've come about at the same time I guess - one isn't a "photoshop" of the other.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)in their objectifying of the women.
where the original photo was two women walking down the street.
the difference of our oh so progressive pornification of women. an innocent photo had to be made into not... by some man, to put the women in their place and empower the male gender. cause they just do not have enough empowerment as it is.
yea....
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)They are two different pictures taken at the same time, check the leg positions , although I had no knowledge of the first one before I posted what I guess might've been the first.
It was reply #13 which picked up on that.
If you wonder where I found it in the first place most of my FB friends are either dancers or musicians heavily into retro stuff including the way they dress themselves - me too.
Limited edition DM's now sold out
Lars39
(26,109 posts)Sam Morgan's Jazz Band - Short Dress Gal (1927) (lyrics start after the 1 minute mark)
And then another version
Carolina Chocolate Drops and Luminescent Orchestrii: "Short Dress Gal"
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)That's both videos cos I'm into American Old Time Traditional too - partly explains how come I've got 80 or so 5 string banjos.
The Chocolate Drops are good - they seconded the name from older bands :
There was another early '30's band whose exact name escapes me - got a CD somewhere or other. Was one of those bands whose lineup changed according to who showed up.
On the subject of jazz and swing music we've still got DJs in London who only play 78 rpm originals for us to dance to. Some of that stuff was never been moved onto vinyl let alone subsequently to CDs.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)Very cool. Totally envious about access to the old songs over the radio.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Their world must be a very horrifying place, full of monsters.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)it don't get duplicated in the Chardonnay Forum aka Meta.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)they literally don't know what to do with themselves.
...You know, because they're so ecstatic.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to be the victim, step right up
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)what's on the menu, today?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)It's almost entertaining, except for the annoying part.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Or I'm afraid of the sea?
Maybe it's yon Kraken. Scary shit.
if you're talking about seabeyond, I'm not sure how you get that I'm "afraid" of her. I don't have her -or anyone- on ignore, which seems to me the mark of the true chicken.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)chicken of the sea?
Sorry, Charlie.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)sounds nefarious.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Which is obviously not a photoshop of the picture with the guys where the leg positions differ.
Yes I would say it was staged for a magazine.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)....that's funny.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Whatever it doesn't say, it's pretty bad.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I wonder if it was a photo for a magazine article or something.
ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)They're holding hands.
Clearly not 'interested' in those fucked up leering guys. I bet one of those women is thinking 'put your tongue back in your mouth; you're about to make me puke you goony looking motherfucker'
Ugh.
Edit both of those women are thinking that. Double ugh.
Edit again, whoops never mind
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)pretty common for women to hold hands or walk arm in arm. My grandma and her sister used to walk arm in arm all the time.
ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)Except for the thought comment.
Young women from Korea also hold hands to this day, and are mortified when they find out Americans make the assumption they gay.
Ah, assumptions.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Whooshed right over my head.
I saw older and younger women in Chinatown in NYC walking hand in hand. I didn't think twice about it.
ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)But I worked with women who are immigrants and have heard their stories.
It's a sweet sign of affection that is really no ones business.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)thing is tho, in scenarios like this the guys probably don't much care what the women think of them. they are doing this to prove to the others in the herd that they 'belong' and don't care what the women think. Infact, I think they would be more pleased if a woman called them out as goony looking motherfuckers. They'd all group up and either laugh, or have violent thoughts about them.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)yes. little boys that need their peer approval. lol
that is exactly what group male mentality is all about. AND they will even say it is and how hAAAAAAArd it is not to be that.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)The whole picture is shot weird. The virginal pristine white shorts against the dirty, rough clothing of the working men. The disrespectful leers (remember, this would have been considered 'indecent' clothing) The Hansel and Gretal hand holding, indicative of support or fear. Or youth. The clothing of the women (tennis outfits?) indicating higher social class. It looks as though, rather than 'causing' a car crash they crashed in the wrong neighborhood and are walking into sexual violence.
The violence of the crash. It's a psychologically loaded picture alright. The women are being mocked, not admired. Owned. Dependent. Frightened.
It's a classist, sexist photo, one that paints working men as buffoons and the women as delicate flowers. All they need is a 'white knight' character and it would complete the profile, but that's not the intent of the photo.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)and women usually excluded from.
You know, men are so weak against their sexual desires they do some pretty stupid stuff when it comes to women, they can't help it! That would explain that car crash thing.
ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)Which is why
They really ARE goony looking motherfuckers.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Women have been conditioned to look a bit deeper into things that may look simple on the outside in respect between relationships of men and women and how the world works differently for men than for women, and vice versa.
We weren't able to speak out loud and freely like men been able to do forever, so another way has been devised. To study. We have a lifetime and generations of learning what those subtle signals are, we know a different language of the world and finally are able to speak out what generations have known.
ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)Lets see, 1937, the year marijuana became illegal or thereabouts. We were between wars, 'Rosie the Riviter' didn't exist.
Ok, (I'm looking stuff up) we were in the middle of a recession and couldn't possible have recovered from the depression at least psychologically--in fact psychologically we never did.
I'm still struck by the classism undertones of the photo, using women, to say, what? It's never one thing, always some sort of moral or economic imperative using women's bodies and the male gaze.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)from a decades-old photograph? That's amazing!
"The virginal pristine white shorts against the dirty, rough clothing of the working men." Or just two women wearing white on a spring day, walking past on-the-job men in working clothes that were the everyday norm at the time.
"The disrespectful leers ...". Looks like appreciative smiles to me.
"The Hansel and Gretal hand holding, indicative of support or fear." Or two women holding hands as they strolled down the street, which was completely normal at the time - a display of friendship between two friends, having nothing to do with fear, mutual support, or fairy tales.
"The clothing of the women (tennis outfits?) indicating higher social class." Or two young ladies wearing the latest fashion craze - like mini-skirts or go-go boots.
" It looks as though, rather than 'causing' a car crash they crashed in the wrong neighborhood and are walking into sexual violence." Looks as though two young women are walking down the street together - and there was no 'car crash', as can plainly be seen by the undamaged car.
"The violence of the crash. It's a psychologically loaded picture alright. The women are being mocked, not admired. Owned. Dependent. Frightened." Again, the 'crash' that clearly never happened. Where are the women being mocked? How is this a 'psychologically- loaded' picture? The faces of the men clearly show appreciation - not mockery, nor 'leering'. And how you get 'owned, dependent and frightened' from an innocuous photo - especially one that doesn't even show the women's faces and their true reaction, is mind-boggling.
Have you ever participated in a Rorschach test? Somehow I think that every ink-blot would represent leering men lusting after virginal, dependent, frightened women.
Yet another post that makes me grateful that RL men and women don't see such things in everything they view - not because they aren't aware of sexism, but because they refuse to 'see' it in everything, especially when it clearly isn't there.
sweetNsassy
(64 posts)great post.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)for that image. Just to let you know.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)My computer did something odd when I clicked on it. I'm running a scan now.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Get MalwareBytes and keep it running in the background. It's amazing all the stuff it blocks.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I'm running my Comodo doodad now.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Why doesn't my computer have one?
I love that word. I use doohicky alot also! lol!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)For instance, McAfee antivirus eats up so much of a computer's resources that it's worse than having a virus.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)acts on a threat, but that helps me know where the threat is coming from. Right now, malwarebytes is using 412K of memory, and zero CPU cycles. I don't find that intrusive at all.
It does nothing with regard to viruses. I use Microsoft Security Essentials for that job. It seems to work well.
Windows Vista.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)They didn't have to be wearing shorts, just be attractive. My mom finally took his keys away and refused to let him drive.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I see what you did there.
Small Accumulates
(149 posts)Despite the discussion of the image's authenticity, the headline is quite peculiar. I expected to see an image of women in shorts driving a car into a pole--odd enough in concept. Instead, I see two women in shorts walking on a sidewalk. If the car had, indeed, been driven into the pole, I'd imagine it was an out of control gawker who caused the car to drive into the pole. A meaningful headline then might have said: Gawking man causes car to crash into pole.
malaise
(268,997 posts)I wonder what would happen to that poor driver if he saw students on campuses these days
madokie
(51,076 posts)parked up to the pole yes, wrecked into it no.
If it had hit that pole at a mile to two per hour speed it would have bent that bumper and looking at the picture I'd say it is not bent. My observation and my opinion only. dm
At any rate it would be interesting to know the back story of this picture
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)could be coincidental and driver was typing while driving.
madokie
(51,076 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Notice that there is no damage to the bumper. The women in the picture also have pretty legs and figures.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I think (because of the other photo) it was probably a staged shot for a magazine or article also. I love these old black and white shots.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Why post this, doodle? What's the prurient interest? The high heels that create foot and back problems for many women --just so they'll appear "sexy"? The short shorts that provide such a clear look at those "sexy" legs? Or, a handy excuse to post that other picture of pubescent sexually-objectified young women?
Really, I would like to hear your reason(s)...
Melon_Lord
(105 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)And, apparently, doodle has no response.
Why am I not surprised?
Melon_Lord
(105 posts)Two pretty girls from behind and a bit of humor...
What's not to like?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)sexism thrives on DU...
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)I'm writing this standing in a bar watching a bunch of guys rate women as they walk by. It pervades every aspect of life.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Sadly ...
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)and I've hundreds of dance friends who dress like that now AND hold hands. It was one them who'd posted it where I found it. The amusement revolved around how times have changed.
I didn't even notice the "heels" which dancers wouldn't wear anyway - more into saddles, wedges , penny loafers or sneakers with chromed suede soles.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Still, I think the pics you chose are provocative, and salacious. The second pic is most distasteful, as it seems to depict sexualized high school girls. After reading the comments herein above, I think other DUers agree.
I find it distressing that some of the male members of this forum are insensitive to the concerns of those of us who've endured countless incidences of sexism and misogyny. Instead of engaging in discussions that result in a better understanding of our experiences, these unfortunates become defensive, dismissive, derisive or sarcastic. I expect better from our male members (I suppose now I should say 'expected').
pintobean
(18,101 posts)This thread just keeps on giving.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)They weren't used to seeing women walk around in shorts.
I found what every girl should have in their bathroom. Where can I buy one?
Breast washer, c.1930s
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
pacalo
(24,721 posts)& the majority of the torches & pitchforks are aimed at an auto-removed message (that we can't even read) .
Reminds me of another time & place:
Human beings appreciate beauty, both inward & outward. It's a part of our nature from birth. We'd do well to remember that instead of making it into something dirty. I have no problem with the picture, dipsydoodle, & neither do a lot of other women who appreciate being what they are.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)laughing at that pic. I was not expecting that
pacalo
(24,721 posts)That's when Skinner's going to stop the car & get out this baby...
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)circumstances where they may have been younger than they are more likely to be and as a result everything got sidetracked. The poster was eventually PPR'd possibly after a failed a jury blank so I guess it went to MIRT. Blanket auto removal of all of a poster's prior posts does at least reduce the risk of future call outs as was happening in META prior to the introduction of that feature and largely affects only those who had devolved into posting in Meta only.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)So, those of us who find the pictures distressing, or even salacious, are somehow 'out of line,' or perhaps we're 'shrill'?
I can remember a time (oh, so long ago) when I had to endure "catcalls" and leers if I wore shorts when I biked to class. Every single time I wore shorts, I endured unwanted male 'attention.' Even now, some of my female students have discussed similar experiences--AND, feeling at risk around the males who thusly objectify them.
We still have such a long ways to go ...
pacalo
(24,721 posts)The picture is obviously a magazine shot & it's decades old from a distant era! Given its context, your adjectives describing the reactions here are spot on.
This is a different society now than it was 70-80 years ago. Instead of playing up the fears of young female students, I would choose to brainstorm with them about what they can do to mentally take control of the situation so that they can react on their own terms: ignore them, make a sarcastic bow, make an exaggerated yawn, make a snappy comeback, whatever. When we can't control others, the next best thing to do is to work on how we can cope with the situation without feeling like a victim.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)The pic I find "distressing" is the pic of the sexualized and apparently pubescent young women.
Moreover, I find it distressing that so many on DU have so little understanding of the damages (to us ALL) of sexism.
Orrex
(63,210 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)You don't see a nice pair like that often.