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"A Texas Demographics Chart That Scares The Crap Out Of Republicans" (Original Post) applegrove Mar 2013 OP
Be interesting to see the other SW states demographics dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #1
This alone spells the end of GOP Presidential contention. MjolnirTime Mar 2013 #2
IMO, a few of many reasons that Jeb Bush is speaking to the Texas Legislature is to rewrite history DhhD Mar 2013 #6
You have described the method perfectly. All politics are local. School boards and the texts chosen freshwest Mar 2013 #10
Unless They Gerrymander the Electoral Votes AndyTiedye Mar 2013 #12
It was stated somewhere recently, maybe the Colbert Report kalli007 Mar 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Horse with no Name Mar 2013 #4
I lived in Texas when Ann Richards was Governor. Cleita Mar 2013 #9
That is sad davidpdx Mar 2013 #22
"George W Bush grew up with a silver foot in his mouth" - she said something like that. AAO Mar 2013 #30
And it is so true davidpdx Mar 2013 #32
Actually she said that about H W Bush Rstrstx Mar 2013 #33
Of course, you are right. Getting old. AAO Mar 2013 #38
To give small props to George Bush... eallen Mar 2013 #5
And to get back in alignment with the GOP, GWB, while governor turned down the multi-sensory DhhD Mar 2013 #13
How many are denied the vote? Coyotl Mar 2013 #7
That's one way to get rid of them and good riddance. Cleita Mar 2013 #8
It's actually their policy, they just didn't know it, 'cause "science." sofa king Mar 2013 #24
And one more very dark thing: sofa king Mar 2013 #27
Disagree Rstrstx Mar 2013 #34
I hope you're right. sofa king Mar 2013 #35
Will be interesting to see if the repugs stay WestSeattle2 Mar 2013 #11
If they change, they wouldn't be Repugs, so change is not allowed. lark Mar 2013 #14
I'm predicting 2024 Ishoutandscream2 Mar 2013 #15
Swing state in 2020 Texano78704 Mar 2013 #19
Why the big fuss over the hispanic population of Texas? Crowman1979 Mar 2013 #16
another chance to fail daybranch Mar 2013 #17
How are the turnout operations working? illegaloperation Mar 2013 #18
"Scares the crap out of"... cbrer Mar 2013 #20
Repubs have already drawn some really weird districts urbuddha Mar 2013 #21
We made great strides under Gov. Howard Dean's 50 state strategy, but they were erased Dustlawyer Mar 2013 #23
Is it any wonder these people are fixated on zombies? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #25
The Voting Rights Act is over Texas not any other state, they want to gerrymander Texas so the 3... uponit7771 Mar 2013 #26
Spot on underpants Mar 2013 #29
There are early estimates of Texas being a battleground in, maybe, 2016 underpants Mar 2013 #28
Out on a country drive on a beautiful day... ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2013 #31
This chart's demographic trends are misleading. Jamaal510 Mar 2013 #36
My question is what would remain if you scare the crap of the Republicans? Not a lot, probably. N/T Julian Englis Mar 2013 #37
I wonder how many people in this thread realize that those young more favorable voters are Catholics Renew Deal Mar 2013 #39
fyi, your graphic is no longer visible nt steve2470 Mar 2013 #40

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
1. Be interesting to see the other SW states demographics
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:13 PM
Mar 2013

Esp Cal and Ariz.
I suspect Arizona politicians are very aware of what there state looks like.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
6. IMO, a few of many reasons that Jeb Bush is speaking to the Texas Legislature is to rewrite history
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 11:17 AM
Mar 2013

for Texas students, which will also cover his brother's record in the form of a curriculum change (so history will be kind to his brother). Another would be to continue to get federal and state money for his privatized educational programs. Another to rewrite history to cover up the bad results of Reaganomics and Trickle Up to the 1%.

CSCOPE will make sure that K-12 students see no graphs and charts depicting the destruction of the middle class by corporate business fascism. Upon further study of the new Texas curriculums, I predict that they are fascist teachings. Many experienced master teachers are resigning over the destructive curriculums that are coming out of the new Texas educational staff. A sign of this is that states that used to buy textbooks from Texas are not doing so. Maybe Texans should ask some of these states what was wrong inside those textbooks! And keep in mind that an electronic curriculum can be hidden, which in my opinion, may also be leading to the resignation of teachers who have seen the good results for American who have had the security of the New Deal. I believe that Republicans want to make sure that no Texas students know what the New Deal was and that it is in jeopardy today as Wall Street wants the insurance trust fund. GWB tried to privatize it in the mid 2000s; Jeb Bush wants to make sure student do not know that Americans told GWB and the Republican party, "No". Parents really need to form curriculum committees, in every school district to see what is being left out, changed and added to for their student's education.

Thanks for reading my rant. Edited to add.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
10. You have described the method perfectly. All politics are local. School boards and the texts chosen
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 03:16 PM
Mar 2013

were taken over by this group years ago with little opposition, just complaining about the after affects. This is a national problem that cannot be solved by any elected president or congressman. It's in our backyards, and it's going to be very, very hard to get back to the educational system of the past. I grew up in a part of Texas that was more progressive than many states but the state was used as an experiment by the Bushes the media and all the lowest common denominator they could find were used to cause division.

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
12. Unless They Gerrymander the Electoral Votes
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 03:49 PM
Mar 2013

If they can gerrymander the electoral votes for the Presidency the way they have gerrymandered the House, they can get a lock on the Presidency, regardless of any demographic shifts.

kalli007

(683 posts)
3. It was stated somewhere recently, maybe the Colbert Report
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:26 PM
Mar 2013

that if all of the eligible voters in Texas would actually vote, the state would be purple or closer to blue than red. Interesting.

Response to kalli007 (Reply #3)

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
9. I lived in Texas when Ann Richards was Governor.
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 02:32 PM
Mar 2013

Sure there was a good share of racist types who voted Republican, but I also met a lot of forward thinking liberals. I don't think they have disappeared. They just have been outmaneuvered by the likes of Karl Rove and other Republican operatives who cheat their way to the top. I hope they are able to take their state back.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
22. That is sad
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 04:09 AM
Mar 2013

Last edited Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:01 AM - Edit history (1)

I vaguely remember Richards, I was in college at the time. The 94' midterm election wasn't a good one for the Ds.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
32. And it is so true
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 12:02 AM
Mar 2013

Too bad she wasn't alive today to say the same thing about Jebby when he runs.

eallen

(2,953 posts)
5. To give small props to George Bush...
Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:47 PM
Mar 2013

He resisted the rank nativism that infects so much of the GOP.

And they hated him for that.


DhhD

(4,695 posts)
13. And to get back in alignment with the GOP, GWB, while governor turned down the multi-sensory
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 05:30 PM
Mar 2013

language program that most independent school districts were supporting, but instead chose to go back to the whole language curriculum approach that had lead to many students not being able to read, write and spell on grade level. To put it another way, the state education agency had removed phonics spelling textbook and curriculum years ago. So many students were behind in Language all over the state.

Why did GWB switch back to the whole language curriculum that had failed in the state? In my opinion: To bring the No Child Left Behind curriculum to provide remediation thorough his brother Jeb Bush's, computerized language program. It was a disaster. Texas had to train language pathologist and therapist in a hurried manor after a new Texas Education Code law made it happen. Southern Methodist University was a main trainer of certified language pathologist at its language pathology center. The Bushes needed their ranch at Crawford to retreat to.

In my opinion people in the Dallas area did not want the Bushes to return to north Dallas after GWB left the presidency. Dallasites did not want his library at SMU and fought for years to keep it away. Other Texas universities would not allow it on their grounds.

Texas, O Texas, how I love thee.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
7. How many are denied the vote?
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 12:46 PM
Mar 2013

This is why the Rs will use some subterfuge to stop pathways to citizenship while pretending to favor immigration reform.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
8. That's one way to get rid of them and good riddance.
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 02:30 PM
Mar 2013

If we can't do it with elections, then outbreed them.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
24. It's actually their policy, they just didn't know it, 'cause "science."
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 01:59 PM
Mar 2013

The Texas Health and Human Services Commission estimated back in December that Republican cuts to subsidized birth control was going to result in 24,000 unplanned pregnancies among poor and non-white (which is nearly synonymous with "poor" in Texas) Texans in 2014 alone.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/07/us/likely-increase-in-births-has-some-lawmakers-revisiting-cuts.html

Once they became aware of what they were doing, they frantically tried to restore funding to birth control, but the bar graph in the OP suggests that these policies, or similar ones, have been in place for the past 44 years! So good luck finding the answer to that, Texipublicans, since you won't acknowledge your own history.

(Edit: And so, just to make sure they don't find the answer in time, I'm going to write what I think it is right here. If the answer shows up first here on DU, they'll never believe it, especially if I'm correct.)

One possible reason, among many, for the demographic change suggests itself to me by looking at the history of Planned Parenthood in Texas. While their first clinic in Texas opened in 1958, they really didn't get rolling until the 1960s.

In 1970, the Texas Welfare Department observed that increased birth control funding would reduce future welfare costs. That happened, but obviously not at a rate which would erase the disparity in birth rates.

It would appear that white male Texans, represented by a nearly all-white, all-male Texas legislature, could never find the money to fully subsidize the people they hate: women, the poor, and people of color. Thus, I am guessing, poverty divided along racial and gender lines in the late 60s and 70s, fostering the growth of the shat-upon demographics in the same way an un-fought fire can grow in one building until it threatens to consume the fire station next door.

I'm not sure it's going to change Texas' politics very much, though. Latino-Americans are overwhelmingly Catholic, which would make them overwhelmingly conservative were it not for the fact that they are a downtrodden minority in the United States--for now. If someone figures out how to extract the racism from today's Republican Party while leaving in all the hate, oppression, and regressive social engineering, Texas won't change at all.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
27. And one more very dark thing:
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 03:53 PM
Mar 2013

It will not surprise me at all to see the government of Texas quietly move in the direction of raising infant mortality among non-whites, rather than trying to reduce unwanted pregnancies.

This is because that objective can be achieved by further denying funding to programs, rather than increasing funding for birth control.

Watch for it, it will show up in the infant mortality graphs. Here's one county already on the move:

http://www.baumbach.org/b2evolution/blogs/index.php/2007/12/02/collin_infant_mortality_rates_grow

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
34. Disagree
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 02:46 AM
Mar 2013
If someone figures out how to extract the racism from today's Republican Party while leaving in all the hate, oppression, and regressive social engineering, Texas won't change at all.


There's a good reason minorities don't vote Republican, and a lot of it has to do with the idea that they're perceived as the party of hate, oppression and regressive social engineering. And the state is becoming more and more of a minority-majority state, so yes, I think the state will change quite a bit in the coming decades. Latino-Americans will vote conservative once conservatives start supporting social programs to help the poor, start embracing multiculturalism, start using more historically accurate textbooks in school, etc etc (in other words when hell freezes over)

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
35. I hope you're right.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 03:20 AM
Mar 2013

Sometimes populations can have very long memories. Even though Republicans ratcheted down social conservatism in the 1880s, in 1960 Mississipi sent un-pledged electors to vote against Richard Nixon because Mississippi would not support the party that freed the slaves 95 years previously.

It's possible that Latino-Americans will similarly recall their own beef with the GOP, and become the new "Southern Democrats," but I still think they will be exactly as useful in progressive causes as Southern Democrat Strom Thurmond was useful in improving civil rights while he was governor of South Carolina--which is to say not useful at all, and quite possibly harmful.

WestSeattle2

(1,730 posts)
11. Will be interesting to see if the repugs stay
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 03:34 PM
Mar 2013

true to their colors, so to speak, or chuck of their long held beliefs in desperate attempts to cling to power.

lark

(23,099 posts)
14. If they change, they wouldn't be Repugs, so change is not allowed.
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 06:03 PM
Mar 2013

They are all about restricting the rights of women and minorities so the old rich guys get even richer and pay them (Repug pols) even more money to maintain this status quo. They don't care about demographics, they want to make it so that college folks and minorities can't vote so can't change things.

Crowman1979

(3,844 posts)
16. Why the big fuss over the hispanic population of Texas?
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 09:42 PM
Mar 2013

Wasn't that state part of Mexico to begin with? Plus this population shift is probably due to a combination white people who left that Rethuglican hellhole, and minorities who can't afford to leave. Plus there is that whole spending money on expensive toys and not a family, which may have affected the birth rate.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
17. another chance to fail
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 10:13 PM
Mar 2013

now if we can just convince the democrats to work for the people we will have succeeded. But if they are counting on demographic changes to win , they have no compunction towards the activism needed. All too often the republicans are right when they say we democrats take AfroAmericans and Hispanics for granted. Heck, we take progressives for granted even though we depend on them desperately in every election.
I want progress for the people not just a democratic majority. We need to win elections by how good democrats are not how bad republicans are. We DUers must work to improve our party, rather than rely on demographic switches. We must be the positive party.

illegaloperation

(260 posts)
18. How are the turnout operations working?
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 10:30 PM
Mar 2013

Demographics mean nothing if people don't turn out to vote.

I've heard that there are very few field offices in Texas.

urbuddha

(363 posts)
21. Repubs have already drawn some really weird districts
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 03:55 AM
Mar 2013

...and precinct lines. They'll be up many nights trying to
figure out how to divide the state into white majority
districts, again. Look for districts that resemble Crazy Straws.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
23. We made great strides under Gov. Howard Dean's 50 state strategy, but they were erased
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:50 AM
Mar 2013

after he was no longer head of the DNC. Yeah, our Districts are heavily gerrymandered thanks to Tom Delay (may he rot in prison), but we are closer to flipping than many think. If we had a big registration push here over the next 4 years we can make it happen. The Castro brothers are the Hispanic lynch pin, if they run for higher office it can be similar to what I would call the Obama effect. Obama got blacks who had never voted, to the polls. The Castro brothers could do the same with the right amount of support and planning.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
26. The Voting Rights Act is over Texas not any other state, they want to gerrymander Texas so the 3...
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 03:18 PM
Mar 2013

...counties that will turn the state blue will be nullified in national elections

That's my theory...somehow they'll turn it into such..

If not Tarrant county and the 2 counties outside of Houston need a good GOTV

underpants

(182,796 posts)
28. There are early estimates of Texas being a battleground in, maybe, 2016
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 05:16 PM
Mar 2013

I would think it would be a few cycles later .....but it is coming.

The poster above this was spot on -THIS is what the Voter Rights ruling is about

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
31. Out on a country drive on a beautiful day...
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 10:15 PM
Mar 2013

Yesterday was exceptionally beautiful here in my part of Texas so I decided to take a break from work and from politics, etc., and hopped in the truck and took off to scout some fishing spots. Somewhere on the backroads of the upper Texas Hill Country I ran across a nice little reminder that as a right-winger hater (and I am, with a white-hot passion) I'm not alone here in redneck right-wing Texas hell.



Could have done it without throwing "'tard" around and spelling "ideocy" right, but I get the sentiment.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
36. This chart's demographic trends are misleading.
Sun Mar 17, 2013, 03:34 AM
Mar 2013

It grouped Hispanic/Latino along with white, black, and Asian, even though it isn't a racial group. People of Latin American descent and Spanish-speaking backgrounds come in many different shades and can be of any race. Just look at Zoe Saldana and Christina Aguilera; those two look nothing alike. And on the U.S. Census, Hispanic and Latino are not even listed in the racial category. All it is is an ethnicity.

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