To the Druken Irishman....

[trumad]

Really? So a couple of Douchebags say you support priest molestation because you are Catholic and that has you heading to the hills.

No self respecting Druken Irishman that I know, including myself, would cut and run over comments made by some some anonymous keyboard knuckleheads.

Dude...if I quit every time someone insulted me here on DU, Earl would have to build a group just to handle my resignation posts.

Buck up Man, drink a pint or two, celebrate St. Patrick, and then get your ass back here.

trumad

[awoke_in_2003]

1. K&R. nt

[Taverner]

2. Fuck the haters!

I have no love of the Catholic Church, but the Church isn't a democracy, so I find it hard to blame Catholics...

[trof]

45. And Hate the Fuckers!

No, wait...
What'd I say?

[Electric Monk]

3. Context

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2521242

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

47. TY. Context is king.

[malaise]

4. Ditto

[RainDog]

5. I think that's a misperception of the claim

what people are doing is challenging Catholics to say - please, show your support for women and homosexuals by doing something to send a message to the church powers-that-be in a way that others, outside of the church, can see.

Of course, I haven't read all the various threads, so I could be wrong.

On the other hand, at least one person here thought it was perfectly acceptable to label anyone who had anything to say against the church "fascists." More than one person. And not one person choose to dispute this claim (well, I did, after a while, just waiting to see if anyone else would say... that's not accurate) - so it goes both ways.

[hlthe2b]

18. If only, RainDog... I have seen countless posts absolutely excoriating Catholic Duers... and blaming

THEM for the sins of the church...

Like this post, for instance (which is not an anomaly)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2520819


It is truly ugly and hardly a "progressive" philosophy. I am not religious, but I hope someone takes me to task if I ever become so militantly hostile to those who are.

[RainDog]

21. I think it's an appeal by "shaming"

And I think that's what's causing so much turmoil - because the people who see that know they are well intentioned in their personal lives and they do care - so it's hurtful to on those grounds.

If both sides weren't devoted to the idea of social justice, the back and forth wouldn't have nearly the power that it does.

I had my moment - but it was about one person and his statement - but I framed what was being said in the terms that I think both sides are feeling. When I was labeled a fascist, the gloves were off - because you can't claim one side is trolling while the other gets a pass, especially on your own thread.

A lot of people who are most vehemently and vocally against religious this or that are also people who have endured abuse of various kinds from people who claim the mantle of religion for their actions and words. Not all of them, but more than a few. On a board like this, people are going to come across all sorts of other beliefs and questions about the same.

A lot of times I respond to people in the way they present themselves. If they start out with insults and name calling, they can expect the same. It's not because I think this is the only way to respond.

But I know it's best to take the higher ground.

None of us, I would guess, does this all the time.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

6. Where's the link or links to show that anyone said that his actions "support priest molestation"?

Last edited Sun Mar 17, 2013, 06:23 PM - Edit history (1)

[hlthe2b]

7. Here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2520819

Shame on the ugly intolerant faction on DU that is promoting this. It is contemptible (and so are THEY).

[olddots]

11. I hope its not a "faction " that are coming down on catholics and just a few twits

Sexual abusers come in all shapes and sizes. To help stop sexual abuse we have to dig deeper to come up with solutions .I was sexually abused and its frustrating ,confusing and hard to be in the here and now without going off on people who don't deserve it.

[hlthe2b]

16. I've seen quite a few, so that is why I say "faction"....

I am very sorry for your experience and hope you know many will understand if you need to vent.

As to those who are doing this (blaming Catholic DUers for the horrendous actions of the Vatican and its hierarchy), in all honesty, I think it is more their total and absolute hostility towards all things religious- driving them. I'm sure they join me and all Duers in horror towards the pedophilia issues and coverup, but I honestly think that is NOT what is driving this behavior.

[cordelia]

30. Agreed.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

33. Excuse me, but that doesn't seem to be directed towards the Drunken Irishman. In fact, it appears

that he didn't even post in the thread. It seems to be a stretch of logic to say that the post was directed towards him.

[hlthe2b]

35. There my be others, but you asked where there were examples of this directed towards DU Catholics

Only Drunken Irishman can say which of the ugly posts affected him personally.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

40. My words speak for themselves:

I asked "Where's the link or links to show that anyone said that his actions 'support priest molestation'?"

I did not ask "where there were examples of this directed towards DU Catholics".

[hlthe2b]

41. Then maybe you shoud ask HIM? As a DU Catholic, I'd imagine he may well have thought this

directed towards him... Even if that ugly post doesn't offend YOU, it surely does many others (including non-Catholic and non-religious DUers as myself).

[Paladin]

8. Well-Said. (nt)

[Leslie Valley]

9. Or as someone who should know once said

[Squinch]

10. I agree. Drunken Irishman: tell them to pog your thoin and get back in there!

[Cleita]

12. There are rude people in life as well as this message board.

You can't run from them all and you shouldn't.

[nolabear]

13. Aw Baby, no! It's like a bloody scourge. It's madness.

People are going to get more and more dumb and less and less interesting the longer this kind of rule by mob continues. I keep hanging in, but I'm less sure than ever why.

[zeemike]

46. Well I know why.

I hate being intimidated...and my natural instincts (be they right or wrong) is to defy them...
No one is going to run me off of my play ground unless it is the cop.

[nolabear]

48. Yeah, I understand that. But it can go on forever and I got shit to do.

[freshwest]

59. Like dumpster diving next to an orchard full of fresh apples. Why bother? Yup, stuff to do.

Using Ignore and Trash (several things) separates the trash from the treasures.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Let me join you

[Kahuna]

15. Use your ignore function and fuggedabouit!

[DevonRex]

20. If you ignore them you can't vote to hide their posts.

I say jury them out of sight. We wouldn't have had Democratic majority this past election without Catholics of all stripes.

[SunSeeker]

57. Good points. nt

[hlthe2b]

17. I'm celebrating my Irish roots today... I'm not Catholic, but I have friends/family who are, who I

respect.

Drunken Irishman should know that there are plenty of DUers who are actively supporting Catholic Duers against this onslaught of ugliness.

[hunter]

19. The first post I had hidden on DU was telling some anti-Catholic bigot I could kick his ass...

It may have been beer talking too, but that I don't remember.

Nevertheless, I'm still here and he's long gone.

When they throw me out of a Catholic Church for my heresies -- promoting birth control, supporting gay marriage, married and women priests, not tithing, expressing my anger at pedophile priests or the people who covered up for them, and otherwise speaking my mind -- I'll let everyone here know. But it hasn't happened yet.

It might be a crazy dream, but I think I have a better chance changing my Church, the Democratic Party, or the USA itself from within rather than without.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

25. Wow what a great concept,

I'm totally with you on this and have been doing this for some time now.
We're going to different schools together.

[Skittles]

22. I agree

[lillypaddle]

23. Don't feel bad, Drunken Irishman

I voted on a jury to leave a post that thoroughly offended the language police around here. I was accused of promoting and supporting rape, and called every name in the book, not to mention that I should be banned for life. I was literally swarmed by people calling me things more offensive than the post I voted to let stand. Nasty group. Never went back to Meta again, and my affectionate feelings for DU never quite returned to those I previously had held.

You are one of my favorite posters, DI. Please don't let them run you off.

[IdaBriggs]

50. Skinner is my hero for a lot of things --

Closing meta is just one of the MANY reasons!!!

[lillypaddle]

65. It had been so long

since I logged on, I didn't even realize that until yesterday. It was a good move, for sure! Too bad so much damage had occurred.

[Rex]

24. Yes

that is exactly what needed to be said.

[spanone]

26. k&r...

[Warpy]

27. Kick

The knuckleheads haven't managed to drive me out of here and I can't even drink to forget about them for a few hours.

The irredeemable knuckleheads just get put on ignore until they're PPRed, something that usually follows pretty quickly.

As for our "responsibility" for the illegal invasion of Iraq and the priests who raped altar boys, I don't recall being consulted at all on either subject. If I had been, I'd have said NO to both.

[BainsBane]

28. It's more that a couple

There is a considerable amount of hatred toward Catholics here. I completely understand how he and WilliamPitt feel.

[ReRe]

56. There's a whole lot of hate going on on DU...

...not just towards Catholic members. Some people just seem love to hate. Their comments sometimes astound me. They just make up reasons to hatefully attack a totally innocent comment. Either they are trolls, whose mission is to divide and conquer, or they're just disgruntled about something that has gone on in their personal lives that we know nothing about, or they just totally misunderstood what someone said. Another problem is that as Democrats, we have a tendency to not alert on personal attacks, since we are staunch believers in free speech. And if one does alert on a personal attack hater, the jurors turn out to be a majority of free speech sticklers, allowing the hateful post to stand, which gives the hater power to live another day to continue the hate. Maybe hate speech should be considered the same as calling "FIRE" in a crowded theater? Personally, when I run up on a hate argument slug-fest, I do not pass go, I do not rec. I immediately back out of the thread and let them go at it. I'm one of those who support free speech, so I don't alert very much. Am I as guilty as the hate posters? Catch-22.

[TommyCelt]

60. We demonize who we view as our opponents

On conservative/right-wing message boards, they accuse DU'ers and our ilk as monsters/idiots/commies who hate our country. Remove "commie" and insert "fascist" ands you've a pretty good sampling of what DU'ers think about conservatives.

The Church is an anomaly in that the official teachings condemn abortion and the gay lifestyle, yet touts preferential treatment for the poor and social justice. If you're a conservative OR liberal Catholic (I am the latter), a thick skin is required. I've only been on DU a short time. but am no stranger to message boards. We say some outlandish shit on occasion to people we would never...ever...say to a person's face (yeah, bullshit you know you wouldn't either in a lot of cases). Par for the course and can be attributed to the relative distance and anonymity of the internet.

From everything that's been said, as a Catholic (but sober) Irishman, I hope DI comes back.

[BainsBane]

62. yes, and this is not the first expression

of anti-Catholic sentiment on DU but probably the most vitriolic. DrunkIrishman and WilliamPitt are LONG-standing members. They have had to maintain a thick skin to remain here, but this last round of attacks was a bridge too far.

[ReRe]

66. I too hope that Drunk Irishman comes back...

... I just wish we could figure out a way to become more civil.

[alittlelark]

29. +1000 from an ex-Catholic

DrunkenIrishWoman.

[BeyondGeography]

31. Pretty bad trade

We get to keep the ugly people who drove DI away and lose one of the best guys on this board. Hope he returns.

[Rowdyboy]

53. +1

[union_maid]

64. +1

Totally agree. Not Catholic, not religious, but I sure appreciated Drunken Irishman.

[morningglory]

32. Please. You are one of the best. nt

[Granny M]

34. I hope you stay, Drunken Irishman

I like your posts. Ignore the haters.

[nomorenomore08]

36. "If you listen to fools..."

Not calling the OP a "fool" BTW...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

37. Amen Trumad !! He'll be back. Sometimes we all just need to step away for a week. nt

[Drew Richards]

38. @@@ damn trumad you gonna be general someday

[treestar]

39. It's all that druking!

[Vinnie From Indy]

42. Slainte!

Cheers!

[tk2kewl]

43. come on back buddy!

we need you!

[marble falls]

44. What they said, and another pint. Too early? Then make it a Guiness and Lambic half and half!

[OnyxCollie]

49. I'm still here.

When I wrote that I was opposed to the use of drones, either here or abroad, I was accused of being a libertarian and a Rand Paul supporter.

When I wrote that I was opposed to the dismissal of torture investigations/war crime prosecutions, I was accused of being a Romney supporter and wanting Romney to be President.

Whenever I voiced my disapproval of undemocratic actions committed by President Obama, i was accused of being a basher, of being a right-winger, of being a hater.

One of those people doing the accusing was Drunken Irishman, and now he's gone.

Oh, well. Buh bye!

[RVN VET]

51. If Canon Law approved child rape, then everyone would be right to hate Catholics

But that's not the case. The men (!) who run the Church and raped children and/or covered up the raping of children have been exposed as the vile excremental moral lepers they are. The Church, when officially declaiming on the subject, has never condoned the murdering of the souls of children. So those Catholics who remain affiliated with the faith are not supportive of an institution that promulgates the crime and, I'm sure, are hopeful that time and continued public exposure and censure will bring about a purge of the Roman clergy, and a cleansing of its soul.

I'm not one of those who stuck around. Even while a Catholic, I never felt the love for the idea of a catholic church, nor for the idea of the Catholic church that its members seem still to feel. (Although I have to say that the Church of Rome has lost 10's if not 100's of millions of its faithful over the last 30 years, partly because of child rape, partly because of its loathing of sexuality, and to a smaller part because of its domination by males who have no interest in sharing the power of the priesthood with women.)

[xtraxritical]

52. Catholics, yawn...

[AgingAmerican]

54. Anonymity brings out the worst in some people

Welcome to the internet!

The ignore feature works well! Problem solved!

[Historic NY]

55. Momma always said there are 2 things you don't talk about politics and religion....

perhaps just sticking to one wold be the best solution here, its causes enough problems on its own.

[Demo_Chris]

58. The two are often indistinguishable

[840high]

61. Link please.

[michigandem58]

63. If he were serious about leaving, he wouldn't have made an announcement

He'd have just done it.

Now you're just playing a part in the unfolding drama. Over/under on the return date?

Sorry, I hate this kind of crap.

[840high]

67. So do I. Drama play - waste

of time.

[trumad]

68. and if you hate this type of crap

You would have just trashed the thread.

See how that works?