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60 MINUTES had a story about a mafia hitman who is out of jail and found The Lord, but killed many people. Then Great Race went to Hanoi and featured natives singing about their great victory over USA! We lost 60,000 Americans there. Will no longer turn them on. Doesn't morality count anymore?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Rhetorical question, correct?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Vietnamese perspective on that war?
By the way, we were in their country killing their people, over 1000000 of them.
jehop61
(1,735 posts)But if you lived at that time and saw friends killed and maimed, when they were told it was for the good of our country, you would not like our former enemies glorifying your friends' deaths.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Was unambiguously fucked up and the people to blame for the dead, all of the dead, that would be us, our leaders, but also all of us who allowed it to happen.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)I have often been amazed that the Vietnamese are able to deal with us with such a small amount of bitterness, considering what we did to them.
Then as now, it wasn't "America" or "Americans" that did these crimes. It was a very small number of rich old white men that have always called the shots in America. I can remember it as if it were yesterday. People on "Press the Meat" every week talking about the "Red scourge" and how Vietnam as the "domino" that would seal America's doom if allowed to fall over to communism.
The rhetoric from the right wing always sounds about the same, whether we are talking about dominoes or mushroom clouds.
Nothing ever changes, and millions die.
Maybe somehow the Vietnamese people sense that it is not the average American that is evil. It is the leaders. We are victims, just as the Vietnamese were.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)It was a great victory. They had to kick out the Japanese, the French, and then the US. They basically started the fight with a few antique firearms, punji sticks and tiger traps, fighting against the most powerful military force in the world. They lost five million people, had their land ravaged by bombs, poison and fire, their rivers polluted with poison and filth, yet they still managed to kick us out of the country. That is, by any measure a great victory.
As far as the morality of the war, we were the ones that started it. We were the ones that came in an attacked a group of people trying to free themselves from colonial rule. When it comes to the question of morality, we were on the wrong side. Much like we were on the wrong side in the Iraq War, much like we are on the wrong side in the Afghan war.
That is the problem with imperial wars, the country waging them is on the wrong side of morality.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)rustydog
(9,186 posts)You are offended that someone came to Jesus? Isn't redemption between the sinner and God, not you?
Also, the 60,000 lost were lost to military members that are now dead. You hold grudges in an almost amusing ignorant way.
dsc
(52,160 posts)like Limbaugh runs marathons. Among other things he have been leaving threatening messages on facebook to the sister in law of one of his former victims.
rustydog
(9,186 posts)It is between Jesus and the sinner, period.
As for the OP Blaming CBS news for reporting news....damn I don't know where to go on that one.
Watch Fox news, then you don't have to worry about accuracy, truth or "news".
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....what kind of "morality" are you talking about?
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)You might want to consider the Vietnamese perspective on that little Police Action. You might also want to remember that the Vietnamese who died, in their own country I might add (unlike those 60,00 you mention) are just as human as you and I. Of COURSE they consider it a victory to have driven the US out, and of COURSE they celebrate the end of their slaughter. Why should they not?
Your morality reads more like hopeless Nationalism to me.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)while I have no idea what the gist is of the 60 Minutes story you've mentioned, that phenomenon is a fairly common affliction of being incarcerated. Often, the things that happen to prisoners during their "time" and the myriad of crap they must face and acclimate to, out of a necessity to survive, makes recovering from their sentence once they are released from prison much worse than anything relating to the original crime that put them there.
As for the Vietnamese singing about their incredible feat, I must ask, have you ever read the Pentagon Papers? The immorality of that time rests solely on the leaders of our nation for waging a totally unjustified, illegal conflagration on the people of Vietnam. Any exposure that you may think that CBS is guilty of now, to the actual truth behind the Vietnam War, in showing the singing of victory songs in Hanoi so that our own young people might question or be sparked to investigate that era of our history, is a good thing.
I would suggest you consider the words of Mike Gavel, who, as a Democratic Senator back in 1971 took on the task of presenting the Pentagon Papers to Congress, so that they might ultimately be made public:
It is past time for our nation to rise to its true greatness, by acknowledging the
moral wrong we committed in fighting an "unjust war" and by seeking forgiveness
from all of these aggrieved parties:
The people of Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and other areas of Southeast
Asia who still suffer the wounds of an "unjust war". (Maybe we could even
find it in our hearts to some day give them foreign aid as we have done to
so many less-deserving regimes.)
The families of Vietnamese service personnel and civilians, and the
families of American service personnel who suffered the loss of loved
ones in an "unjust war".
The veteran patriots sent to fight by amoral leaders in an "unjust war".
The moral patriots who agonized over decisions to suffer imprisonment or
flee their country rather than fight an "unjust war".
The sunshine patriots who are vilified by the media for their use of
influence to secure educational deferment or service in the National Guard
rather than fight an "unjust war".
And the American people who, though lied to and misled by their leaders,
still must suffer complicity in their nations policy to prosecute an "unjust war".