UCF attempted mass murderer had 110-round magazines for his assault weapon

[Hugabear]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/education/os-ucf-seevakumaran-weapons-20130319,0,102423.story

James Oliver Seevakumaran bought his guns with the same ease available to most Florida adults.

Not satisfied with standard magazines for his imitation submachine gun, the former University of Central Florida business major paid about $200 extra to buy two 110-round drum magazines.

To buy them, Seevakumaran had to pass instant criminal-background checks at the undisclosed gun shop. There was no waiting period for the imitation submachine gun, but pistol buyers must wait three days.

This guy was one of those LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS that the NRA loves to brag about.

And I suppose that there are valid needs for a drum that holds 110 rounds of ammo. Who knows, Red Dawn could happen some day.

[Hoyt]

1. Gun cultists will want one just like it.

[Hugabear]

4. I'm sure they'll be here before long to point out that it wasn't technically an "assault weapon"

Or some other nonsense like that. It's what they love to do - parse over technical definitions in an attempt to discredit anything you say.

As if it makes any difference in the ability to kill lots of people in a short amount of time.

[Hoyt]

12. LMAO. So true.

Had one of gungeoneers telling me that such things weren't marketed as "tactical weapons." I sent him a link to manufacturer/dealer's ads where it was hawked as a "tactical" weapon. I'm sure he purchased one right away, to have the latest in lethal weapon technology.

[Paul E Ester]

26. Technicalities in gun control is important.

The rifle in the picture is a RIM Fire rifle. That means the cartridge is set off by striking the rim of the cartridge.

The assault weapons ban in California, was specifically written to ban "Centerfire" weapons. Those are guns that go off by striking the cartridge in the center. By using the word "centerfire" the law excluded a whole category of cartridges, that the gun manufacturers were able to exploit.



If you want to ban the gun in OP's picture. You should advocate for a ban on both rimfire and centerfire guns. Or get existing laws to cover rimfire guns. Currently they are completely different in the eyes of the law.

Peace

[Helen Reddy]

71. Very informative. Thank you! n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

49. Was Che a responsible gun owner?

[Mojorabbit]

69. I am kind of surprised that a DUer would admit

they prefer ignorance on the subject they are writing about. I have learned an enormous amount on all manner of subjects here. It is one of the reasons this is my favorite site. It makes a huge difference in getting the exact legislation you want passed. This is just my opinion.
Peace, Mojo

[onehandle]

2. Just another responsible gun owner. nt

[Scuba]

3. He needed the 110-round drum because his neighbor had an 80-round drum.

His neighbor on the other side then purchased four Stinger shoulder-fired missiles, so now they're all safe. Or not.

[premium]

5. Those things are notorious for jamming up after the first few rounds.

That's why no LEA or military in the world uses them.

The AR-15 rifle that Holmes used in CO. had one of those and jammed up pretty quickly, most of the killing was done with the shotgun.

Those mags are nothing more than novelty items that no knowledgeable gun owner would have or use.

[bluedigger]

6. It's too bad being knowledgeable is not a requirement for gun ownership.

[premium]

10. It damn well should be. nt.

[riqster]

37. Damn skippy

But of course, requiring knowledge would be a horrible infringement on their 2nd amendment rights.

[Iggo]

51. And it'd definitely hurt sales.

[riqster]

52. As Colonel Kurtz would say,

"The horror....the horror"

[Hugabear]

7. So maybe he learned how to clear a jam, or he planned to switch weapons

There is evidence that he had planned this for awhile, even ordering training materials.

In any event - he likely would have killed and injured many people if it weren't for the fast actions of his roommate.

[premium]

9. He definitely would have caused mass casualties if his roommate hadn't called 911.

The bombs would have probably caused most of the destruction and he could have used a different weapon if those mags jammed.

All I was commenting on was that those mags are nothing more than pieces of crap prone to jamming.

[Paladin]

13. So They're A Jam-Prone "Novelty" And We Shouldn't Worry About It?

Do you have any concept of how little fucking comfort your post offers? Any idea at all?

[premium]

17. They should be banned. nt.

[Paladin]

20. And Why, Pray Tell, Do You Want Them Banned?

Do you want them banned because of their potential lethality, or because they jam? If they were manufactured better, where they could spew out all 110 rounds without jamming, would you still want them banned?

[premium]

22. Because, pray told, of the potential lethality,

I would like to see something like what CO. just did, a 15 round mag limit.

[Paladin]

23. Good answer. (nt)

[Hoyt]

15. Yeah, maybe so, but there should be no doubt that anyone with one should not be around guns.

I have been convinced for some time that those who covet such things -- and assault weapons in general, however one cares to define them -- really are not fit to own guns. I wish that were the law, Catch-22 and all.

[premium]

18. Luckily your opinion isn't law. nt.

[hack89]

8. A magazine like that jammed after a few rounds in Aurora

the shooter had to switch to a handgun and in the delay people were able to escape.

They are novelties. There is a reason no military uses such magazines.

I would support their banning.

[Hoyt]

16. Thank you for setting us straight with your vast knowledge of lethal weapons accessories.

[hack89]

19. I support limits on magazine size.

just pointing out that they are not the threat everyone seems to think they are.

[Hoyt]

21. No doubt, you support outlawing those that jam (since you don't use them). How about 7 as limit?

[premium]

24. I would be happy with what CO. just passed,

a 15 round mag limit would be reasonable in my opinion.
I don't own any weapons that have a detached mag, the only gun I own is a Colt Python .357 magnum loaded with .38 cal. bullets and a 12 gauge shotgun.

[Hoyt]

30. 15 is too many, sorry. But, it is a start.

[premium]

32. The majority of Coloradans don't think so.

I'll go with their opinion.

[Hoyt]

34. The majority of gun cultists maybe. Those not steeped in guns, probably would want less if they

took a good look at the folks who are concerned about preserving their magazine capacity.

[premium]

41. Haven't you been reading the news?

Colorado just passed a 15 round mag limit which has popular support statewide.

[hack89]

25. It makes no difference to me. The law is not retroactive

I will still have all my existing mags.

[Hoyt]

27. Figures. Spirit of law seems to mean little to most in gun culture. As long as they have there's. .

[hack89]

31. The spirit of the law says you can keep what you already have

that is why it was written explicitly into the law.

[Hoyt]

36. The "spirit of the law" is that it is time to quit allowing people to arm up for war in our society.

They should take it upon themselves, being responsible, law-abiding citizens and all (or so they tell us). But they want. Hence tough restrictions are necessary.

[hack89]

42. I am responsible and law-abiding

no arrests, no history of violence, have never shoot anyone in my life. I will take it upon myself to ensure I continue to not hurt people with my guns.

[jmowreader]

29. Twenty would be about the minimum on an AR-15

A seven-round mag would be shorter than the magazine well. If you get a little dirt on an AR mag you have to pull it out...which you couldn't do if you couldn't grab the mag. You'd have to shotgun the weapon (old army term...push out the takedown pin and pivot the upper receiver, and the weapon looks like a double barrel shotgun being loaded) and push the mag out by hand.

Twenty would slow down mass murderers, and it's a standard size.

[Hoyt]

33. I'm sure that would be your preference, but I'm not particularly concerned about how fast one can

change mags. The only use I can see for that is in a war zone, massacres, and practicing for those two. Of course, many who are attracted to these weapons, are preparing for some kind of societal war here in the USA. Another reason we need to push effective laws through soon.

[premium]

35. That was the size we had for our M-16's in Vietnam. nt.

[jmg257]

39. Cool story! If we ever go to war here in America with the Viet Cong / NVA, you can have 'em back! nt

[premium]

43. Maybe you missed my earlier posts in this thread,

I would like to see what CO. just passed, a national ban on mags over 15 rounds.

Where did you read that I wanted 20 round mags.?

[jmg257]

44. I didn't - but I did read of your use of them in The 'Nam!

"premium (143 posts)
35. That was the size we had for our M-16's in Vietnam. nt."

Which you posted in reply to:

"Twenty would be about the minimum on an AR-15."


I pointed out that if the VC ever invade the US, they might be worth-while. Till then...

[premium]

46. Ok.

Mis-read your post.
As the late Don Adams would say, "Sorry about the Chief."

[jmg257]

47. Ha - LOVE Get Smart! NP!

[Hoyt]

40. Guess what, this is not a war zone -- no matter how much you guys want to make it so.

[premium]

45. Are you daft?

When did I say I want to make the US a war zone?
All I did was comment that that was the size of the mags we had back then.
Get the chip off your shoulder towards me please.

[Hoyt]

56. The "chip" is not for you directly, just those promoting more guns in more places.

And, no, I am not daft -- just tired of those steeped in guns.

[premium]

59. Then why direct the comment towards me?

You said you guys want to make the US a war zone, that was directed at me.
Whatever man, let's just call it a day.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

50. Chicago is

[Hoyt]

57. Actually Chicago is not a war zone, but many gun cultists use it as a reason to arm up.

[premium]

63. Chicago itself, no,

but there are several neighborhoods that are, mainly because of the drug turf war.

[Hoyt]

64. That's right, and those neighborhoods are not a threat to most of the yahoos that want to arm up.

[premium]

65. True.

The "yahoos" who live there are already armed and killing each other and innocents.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

67. Otis McDonald begs to differ

[Hoyt]

68. Mr. McDonald has more reason to arm up than most of the gun cultists.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

70. And yet

the law spent more time persecuting him rather than prosecuting real criminals; hence his need to arm himself. But even in compently managed and professionally staffed police departments can only respond well after a crime has begun. And that is the truth pro-rape and pro-murder cultists refuse to admit.

[Bandit]

60. And we loaded them with eighteen rounds because with twenty they jammed often..

[premium]

62. Thanks.

I'd forgotten about that, we also smacked them on our helmets to make sure they would feed properly.

[jmg257]

38. You don't think someone could figure out a way to build a 7 round

mag that would stick out of the mag well AND not be readily convertible to hold more then 7 rounds??

A national law w/o grandfathering would provide quite the market...if the guns themselves were allowed.

10 is fine and would slow them down even more, 20 is more then necessary.

(Fucking incredible..."we" have to argue over slowing down mass murderers by picking and choosing mag capacity - just get rid of the fucking guns where it is even an option!)

[RC]

66. Put a string on the bottom of the mag to pull it out.

A seven-round mag would be shorter than the magazine well.

That works well for other things.

[ThoughtCriminal]

53. Few? Try 30.

Jammed after 30.

[hack89]

55. I had read something else but I can't find the link

could you share yours? Thanks.

In any case, large cap mags should be banned.

[ThoughtCriminal]

58. Here's one

"He then fired a 12-gauge Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun, first at the ceiling and then at the audience. He also fired a Smith & Wesson M&P15[11] semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, which malfunctioned after reportedly firing about 30 rounds."[11][12][13] Finally, he fired a Glock 22 handgun.[14][15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting

[raccoon]

11. Thanks for referring to him as you did in your thread title. Recd nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

14. The only way to stop a bad guy with a 110 round drum....

....is a good guy with a 110 round drum.

A 110 round drum--I mean, it's really no deadlier than a car or a swimming pool, when you think about it.

[uselessobot]

28. Nope the Good Guy Needs a 220 round drum plus a white hat otherwise we will not know they are a good

guy.

When it comes to guns I no longer give a flying F unless it impacts me locally, if states want to give the insane guns, so what, if they don't want to do background checks, no bigggie.

I am a big believer in Darwin and statically the gun owners will kill each other and their families and friends a win-win as far as I am concerned.

[Politicalboi]

48. Hey I like the white hat idea

Worked in the old westerns. Since we seem to heading back that way, it should be the LAW!. And it's too bad gun nuts just don't shoot other gun nuts. I agree with your win win till it hits innocent children.

[ThoughtCriminal]

54. Was that 219 rounds, or 220? You have to ask yourself...

Do you feel lucky?

To be honest, in all the excitement, I lost count.

[Recursion]

61. *that* is something it makes sense to ban

Count me in.