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proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:38 PM Mar 2013

Science teacher being investigated for using the word 'vagina' during lesson on reproductive system

DIETRICH • A Dietrich science teacher is being investigated by the state’s professional standards commission after a complaint from parents over his teaching methods.

Tim McDaniel is being investigated after a complaint was filed by a handful of parents who objected to how McDaniel taught the reproductive system, Dietrich Superintendent Neil Hollingshead said.

“It is highly unlikely it would end with his dismissal,” Hollingshead said. “Maybe a letter of reprimand from the school board.”

According to McDaniel, four parents were offended that he explained the biology of an orgasm and included the word “vagina” during his lesson on the human reproductive system in a tenth-grade biology course.

“I teach straight out of the textbook, I don’t include anything that the textbook doesn’t mention,” McDaniel said. “But I give every student the option not attend this class when I teach on the reproductive system if they don’t feel comfortable with the material.”

More ... http://magicvalley.com/news/local/state-investigates-complaint-about-dietrich-science-teacher-s-human-reproduction/article_47dec69a-963f-11e2-a856-001a4bcf887a.html

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Science teacher being investigated for using the word 'vagina' during lesson on reproductive system (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 OP
Umm...what other word was he supposed to use? truebrit71 Mar 2013 #1
Bajingo? temporary311 Mar 2013 #3
The preferred term is "Cooter." MineralMan Mar 2013 #5
Cooter? temporary311 Mar 2013 #10
Yah, well, there's also a turtle called a "cooter." MineralMan Mar 2013 #14
The general term for turtles and female equipment is known as cooter in parts of the rural South TalkingDog Mar 2013 #165
LMAO! MynameisBlarney Mar 2013 #103
No it would be bajinga azurnoir Mar 2013 #90
I thought "Bajinga" meant boob.... Demoiselle Mar 2013 #189
'Down there' tblue Mar 2013 #15
"Nether regions" in polite Victorian company... JoeBlowToo Mar 2013 #34
Nether-Nether Land eShirl Mar 2013 #115
Aaarrrrgghhhhh... GoCubsGo Mar 2013 #39
Lady parts. Duh. MillennialDem Mar 2013 #29
Which Lady parts? RC Mar 2013 #61
The chest bumps would be.... vduhr Mar 2013 #78
woo woo and wee wee snooper2 Mar 2013 #36
;-) ReRe Mar 2013 #81
CALLING MR. BOOKMAN!!! Skittles Mar 2013 #151
I would not be surprised one bit haha Harmony Blue Mar 2013 #182
vagina is a technical term .. I can understand the outrage if he has used the c-word. nt srican69 Mar 2013 #50
Gaboinga? MynameisBlarney Mar 2013 #59
Shame cave. nt NickB79 Mar 2013 #86
Maybe "Steak Oven" would have sufficed. HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #89
Oh, please... "hoo-hah," of course! n/t TygrBright Mar 2013 #96
lol Liberal_in_LA Mar 2013 #163
Djina Unchained? Initech Mar 2013 #97
Holy Baby Factory? relayerbob Mar 2013 #101
Fronts piece? Initech Mar 2013 #110
Whisker Biscuit? n/t hibbing Mar 2013 #113
Bearded Clam? n/t MynameisBlarney Mar 2013 #116
Ewwww. narnian60 Mar 2013 #119
LOL MynameisBlarney Mar 2013 #121
I can take most names for that wondrous part, narnian60 Mar 2013 #161
Yeah, it is pretty darn gross. MynameisBlarney Mar 2013 #162
Salami warmer. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #124
Chin glove. MynameisBlarney Mar 2013 #129
Watch spring souffle, ay? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #174
LOL MynameisBlarney Mar 2013 #183
That's what I thought! AndyA Mar 2013 #136
"panty parts" madinmaryland Mar 2013 #145
You're all idiots... Kurovski Mar 2013 #176
Naughty bits Major Nikon Mar 2013 #177
I'm fond of nappy dugout. Very earthy and to the point. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #180
I'm offended by the parents MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #2
What is he supposed to say? MineralMan Mar 2013 #4
no, that all kids are dropping into a cabbage patch by a stork wearing a Western Union cop Javaman Mar 2013 #8
That's old school. Purity. That's the thing, today. MineralMan Mar 2013 #35
Don't forget the side hug. Honest_Abe Mar 2013 #76
FedEx, not Western Union jmowreader Mar 2013 #144
yeah I guess you are right, times change and leveraged buyouts happen. Javaman Mar 2013 #166
Sophomores in high school are too HappyMe Mar 2013 #6
Say a kid for what ever reason is not in the upaloopa Mar 2013 #7
10th grade? seriously? VAGINA PENIS. See, the internets didn't break either. I am SO tired of uppityperson Mar 2013 #9
Same thought - 10th grade?! Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #16
Identify these parents....and then Gin Mar 2013 #11
Check this out... cynatnite Mar 2013 #12
Lol!!!! nt tblue Mar 2013 #17
Quite possibly the only funny scene in that movie n/t VWolf Mar 2013 #44
Left coast librul tree hugging commie schools. How I miss them. freshwest Mar 2013 #149
wtf, do they want him to say pussy or vay jay instead? quinnox Mar 2013 #13
Oh my god! HappyMe Mar 2013 #26
Cue The Lecture Scene From "High Anxiety"...... Paladin Mar 2013 #18
"Yes, the woo-woo" VWolf Mar 2013 #45
Funny because it's also true Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #148
Better the John Cleese sex ed class from the meaning of life. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #60
This fucking shit is getting ridiculous! I bet every one of those stupid ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2013 #19
$10 says white religious males filed the most complaints. Initech Mar 2013 #102
Nah. It was white Control-Z Mar 2013 #170
That would be "lewd". juajen Mar 2013 #114
I checked Facebook for frogmarch Mar 2013 #20
Yet another reminder that Idiocracy is real. redqueen Mar 2013 #21
True, but this one stands out. The RW has a very convoluted relationship with language. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2013 #52
"Is our children learning?" lpbk2713 Mar 2013 #22
My children knew "penis" and "vagina" at ages 4 / 5. IdaBriggs Mar 2013 #23
Maybe we should all shout it davidthegnome Mar 2013 #159
Maybe they're afraid that it'll appear if they say it three times. Orrex Mar 2013 #24
Thanks. My fiance came in wondering what I was doing. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #64
Jezus Fucking Christ we live in a nation with far to many nitwits. Matariki Mar 2013 #25
Well what other name would he use...."Who-ha".... Historic NY Mar 2013 #27
Wasn't it more about the description of orgasms and not the 'V' word? Bay Boy Mar 2013 #28
This is why so many kids come home pregnant. Love the embracing of ignorance. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #30
Here are some other options badtoworse Mar 2013 #31
Of course this is Idaho, same state that gave us Palin LittleBlue Mar 2013 #32
And don't even THINK of saying VULVA! That's even worse! CTyankee Mar 2013 #33
"There's no need to go stampeding off to the clitoris! riqster Mar 2013 #106
I love that routine! CTyankee Mar 2013 #139
Yep. Will Rogers and Walt Kelly used to say something like riqster Mar 2013 #140
Clitoris = Devil's Doorbell! n/t Ligyron Mar 2013 #125
I love that this happened in a place where people call their town "Magic Valley". grantcart Mar 2013 #37
I thought I was the only one who thought that was hilarious. juajen Mar 2013 #117
I was about to suggest that would be the preferred local term (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #123
Men have Pinnacles, and women have Magic Valleys and Grand Tetons. hunter Mar 2013 #169
Do the parents want their teens to think the stork brings babies? appleannie1 Mar 2013 #38
But it's really about "An Inconvenient Truth" hamsterjill Mar 2013 #40
Aha. Yes, that will have been a serious black mark against him and a signal that he must be stopped. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2013 #54
For Earth Day, Idaho is asking students to celebrate Oil Companies. DebJ Mar 2013 #134
We don't know what he is being investigated for, from this story... jberryhill Mar 2013 #41
It's the fault of the text book's publisher. TroglodyteScholar Mar 2013 #42
Well, we know one thing... ReRe Mar 2013 #92
Aaaaaand... Aristus Mar 2013 #43
Should've used "bearded clam" and "one-eyed wonder worm" n/t VWolf Mar 2013 #46
Oh brother. City Lights Mar 2013 #47
what state is this? barbtries Mar 2013 #48
Dumbing down of america is correct pediatricmedic Mar 2013 #67
Idaho. Chellee Mar 2013 #147
What a dumbass! The scientific term is "baby hole" cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #49
Are you implying that babies come out of the..... ehhh you know..... down there...? Who's Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #71
a really interesting comment to the story: barbtries Mar 2013 #51
If he called the external part the "vagina", Revolutionary Girl Mar 2013 #53
I figured he was explaining the contractions of the vagina during orgasm. Dollface Mar 2013 #105
Vaginas are scary!!! Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #55
This^^^ Mnemosyne Mar 2013 #85
Reminds me of this... a la izquierda Mar 2013 #56
I knew it was a male teacher before clicking. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #57
Surely you can't be serious. iandhr Mar 2013 #58
Thank god he didn't say dongle The Straight Story Mar 2013 #62
i believe the correct term is "downton abbey" unblock Mar 2013 #63
Now children. Girls have two holes, boys have one hole. End of class. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2013 #65
A+ ReRe Mar 2013 #99
Actually, boys have two, girls have three. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #173
I was surprised. In 1961, HS, we had some pretty good RKP5637 Mar 2013 #181
The school board should send letters to the parents instead... Blanks Mar 2013 #66
How dare he use that offensive name for the naughty hole!! Bastard nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #68
Parents should be investigated for child abuse if they're this up tight! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2013 #69
Tenth graders are already familiar with less-scientific terms for 'vagina'; LeftinOH Mar 2013 #70
jesus effing christ how did those parents ever reproduce? rurallib Mar 2013 #72
As my history prof said of her recalcitrant poodle... Hekate Mar 2013 #179
The fact that the principal said "It probably won't lead to his dismissal" shows that he too thinks world wide wally Mar 2013 #73
This method of teaching human reproduction would have driven those parents insane aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2013 #74
ZOMG! Baring it all for dramatic effect! freshwest Mar 2013 #150
Could you edit that word out of your title and use the more acceptable term Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #75
I like the term "naughty bits" because it is gender neutral unless you add a modifier. Dollface Mar 2013 #109
When ABC showed Monty Python in 1975, they edited out the words "naughty bits" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #127
It's almost like Adria Richards was in his class. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2013 #77
Looks like it's Idaho. Quantess Mar 2013 #79
Why does anyone even go into teaching anymore? gollygee Mar 2013 #80
If I were reprimanded for saying "vagina" I'd tell the board to fuck off. tridim Mar 2013 #82
+1 Go Vols Mar 2013 #107
Here is a letter from someone who took this teacher's class...very interesting... Stuart G Mar 2013 #83
That is very cool ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #152
Thanks for the letter; the teacher sounds like a gem. nt babylonsister Mar 2013 #154
Sweet Home California... Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2013 #84
Sorry to intrude to clarify, phylny Mar 2013 #175
It might be a misnomer, but that is what the world calls it. Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2013 #187
You do realize that this makes the whole country look ignorant, right? PDJane Mar 2013 #87
Everybody calm down and have a muffin. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #88
*facepalm* sakabatou Mar 2013 #91
Vagina. The word itself offends some men. They don't like hearing it and find it difficult to say. Initech Mar 2013 #93
These people had to have just come out of the bushes. Lint Head Mar 2013 #94
That's why they support de-forestation. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #126
Dietrich Idaho has 320 people..according to google.. Stuart G Mar 2013 #95
All of whom were given birth by women who didn't possess v......s. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #98
Fer FUCK'S sake... Taverner Mar 2013 #100
Anyone who thinks that the American education system is going anywhere but down just ladjf Mar 2013 #104
Good grief we learned this in the early sixties in gym class in Texas. There was no drama, none. freshwest Mar 2013 #156
Oh my word! Sadiedog Mar 2013 #108
everybody knows the correct term is "privates" or more specifically, "female privates." CTyankee Mar 2013 #111
I always thought tenth graders were preoccupied with getting comfortable with the material. bluedigger Mar 2013 #112
Helicopter parents :eyeroll: adieu Mar 2013 #118
I'm late to the party but something similar just happened to me.... mike_c Mar 2013 #120
Wow. It seems we're going backwards; how in the world babylonsister Mar 2013 #155
On the first day of sex ed... kimmylavin Mar 2013 #122
OMG, in 10th grade bio we were looking at live, human semen under the microscope. Ian David Mar 2013 #128
How about the state's 'professional' standards commission gets investigated for STUPIDITY! elleng Mar 2013 #130
Maybe this is why, in middle school, the gym teacher spelled "sperm" with a "u." n/t Ian David Mar 2013 #131
That's because this is the "Magic Valley" of Idaho, where babies are born not through vaginas, pnwmom Mar 2013 #132
The stupid, it hurts! blackspade Mar 2013 #133
If "vagina" in a biology class... WinstonSmith4740 Mar 2013 #135
Would "female naughty bits" be more acceptable? Good grief. talkingmime Mar 2013 #137
How little puritans understand that they create the very thing they fear. Locut0s Mar 2013 #138
All the teachers I know tell me thucythucy Mar 2013 #141
I bet their real objection was to the orgasm part LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #142
What should he have called it? I can think of a few but none that Autumn Mar 2013 #143
Aww man, none of the offended parents could be reached. Why? I'm sure they are delightful folks ck4829 Mar 2013 #146
Have times changed? I thought the V word was taught in 6th grade. mainer Mar 2013 #153
Would they have felt better if Mr. McDaniel said "puntang?" muntrv Mar 2013 #157
It was probably less LWolf Mar 2013 #158
I am reminded of Porky's davidthegnome Mar 2013 #160
They're trying to make it a dirty word. Neoma Mar 2013 #164
Memo to parents: if I can find this on the internet, so can your tenth graders. Lionel Mandrake Mar 2013 #167
I've never seen that particular Georgia O'Keefe before. Kurovski Mar 2013 #185
... Apophis Mar 2013 #168
Well what do the parents want teachers to do? Make up code words??? agentS Mar 2013 #171
Sadly, not the Onion. n/t alp227 Mar 2013 #172
Va-jayjay is the correct term. I heard it on one of those hospital shows on teevee Hekate Mar 2013 #178
Posted without comment. ParkieDem Mar 2013 #184
He was my science teacher a few years back. I aced his biology tests. Glassunion Mar 2013 #186
A 3-year-old in my family calls it her "front butt." gauguin57 Mar 2013 #188

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
165. The general term for turtles and female equipment is known as cooter in parts of the rural South
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 10:19 PM
Mar 2013

I don't think it describes a specific type of turtle.

But it does get super awkward when folks offer you cooter soup.

Demoiselle

(6,787 posts)
189. I thought "Bajinga" meant boob....
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 06:05 PM
Mar 2013

...as in, she's got a really big pair of Bajingas.... Ah well, live and learn.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
15. 'Down there'
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:48 PM
Mar 2013

Or Vajayjay or Cootchie. And yes, those parents are kookoo. Feel sorry for their kids.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
39. Aaarrrrgghhhhh...
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:06 PM
Mar 2013

I detest "down there". It's so damned juvenile. Whenever I hear the doctors on that TV show "The Doctors" refer to genitalia as "down there", I want to throw something through the TV screen. Way to dumb things down for the prudes.

I feel sorry for those kids, too. They're going to be in for a world of hurt if they ever get to college, and have to take a biology class.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
61. Which Lady parts?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:03 PM
Mar 2013

While men have only one unmentionable part, that dangley thingy, women also have these lumps on their chests, that have unmentionables attached to them, besides having that obscene holey thingy down there.

Everbody know children can't handle anything about sex till their wedding night. What are we, some kind of animals? Apparently some people think so.

I shouldn't need this, but just in case ---

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
36. woo woo and wee wee
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:03 PM
Mar 2013


I could imagine when my daughter starts kindergarten and would say vagina/penis might get a rise out of the teacher

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
121. LOL
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:30 PM
Mar 2013

My friend and I brewed some beer a few years ago, and we called it "Bearded Clam Cream Ale".
The first batch was excellent...the second...not so much.

narnian60

(3,510 posts)
161. I can take most names for that wondrous part,
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 08:36 PM
Mar 2013

but that just hit me as yucky-poo--along with a later post: one-eyed worm. Hahahaha.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
4. What is he supposed to say?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:42 PM
Mar 2013

"Now, students, boys have peepees and girls have hoohoos. Jesus hates it if you put those together before you're married. And that's all you need to know about reproduction. Moving on..."

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
8. no, that all kids are dropping into a cabbage patch by a stork wearing a Western Union cop
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:45 PM
Mar 2013

come on, stay with the times! LOL

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
35. That's old school. Purity. That's the thing, today.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:03 PM
Mar 2013

Keep yourselves pure, kids. Never get naked together. That's the only way to preserve your purity. When you get married, it'll be OK to get naked, whenever you want to make a baby. Wait for it...

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
144. FedEx, not Western Union
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 05:10 PM
Mar 2013

Western Union quit delivering telegrams, letters and babies a long time ago.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
7. Say a kid for what ever reason is not in the
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:45 PM
Mar 2013

class. The first time she/he sees a friend who was, they'll ask what was said in the class.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
9. 10th grade? seriously? VAGINA PENIS. See, the internets didn't break either. I am SO tired of
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:45 PM
Mar 2013

using "baby talk" to describe part of the body. Forget euphemisms and forget crude terms. Use vagina and penis. Kids will turn out better than using "yahyah" and "peepee" or other similar stupid terms and much better if they have these words to counter all the nasty terms.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
26. Oh my god!
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:58 PM
Mar 2013

One of my pet peeves is "vajayjay". And saying 9th, 10th grade - wtf, they are in high school. Saying a kid is 20 months, etc. What's wrong with 'almost 2'.
But I digress.... what were we talking about?

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
18. Cue The Lecture Scene From "High Anxiety"......
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:50 PM
Mar 2013

....where Mel Brooks substitutes nonsense words for sexual organs, because there are a couple of kids in the audience.

The four parents in this investigation are a bunch of no-nothing jerks. Particularly if their kids had the opportunity to opt out of the presentation, but didn't.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
45. "Yes, the woo-woo"
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:27 PM
Mar 2013

"Quite possibly the most psychologically significant feminine component known to mankind"

(Standing ovation)

Love that flick.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
19. This fucking shit is getting ridiculous! I bet every one of those stupid
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:50 PM
Mar 2013

parents are right-wing fundy's who secretly engage in lude self-sex on webcam!

I'd like to punch each and every one of them in the mouth.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
170. Nah. It was white
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:37 AM
Mar 2013

religious females who filed the complaints - after their shithole white religious husbands instructed them to.

juajen

(8,515 posts)
114. That would be "lewd".
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:16 PM
Mar 2013

You have been visited by the DU Spelling Police. Don't take offense, as I only visit occasionally.

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
20. I checked Facebook for
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:50 PM
Mar 2013

the SAVE THE SCIENCE TEACHER!! page mentioned in the article, but I couldn't find it.

The parents who complained are idiots! They make me sick.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
22. "Is our children learning?"
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:52 PM
Mar 2013




The numbnuts on the GOP side are doing all they can to keep it from happening.


 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
23. My children knew "penis" and "vagina" at ages 4 / 5.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 12:56 PM
Mar 2013

Of course, my boy child has a love affair with his at the moment. He once proudly announced it was "big" - no worries about that one's ego!



Now we are working on him not shouting it out ("PENIS!&quot at inappropriate times just for the giggle of watching grown-ups work hard at not reacting. I am told this is a standard "boy" phase. His sister just rolls her eyes at him.

Parenting is fun.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
159. Maybe we should all shout it
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:59 PM
Mar 2013

At inappropriate times. Penis. Vagina. At church, in the class room, at the work place. Keep shouting it until either the world ends or people realize that it won't. Wonder which will come first?

I can't help but picture the church I was forced to go to as a boy. So many solemn Catholics, standing around, pretending not to be bored... if a little kid had come along and shouted "penis", or "vagina", I suspect they would have filled the church with laughter.

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
28. Wasn't it more about the description of orgasms and not the 'V' word?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:00 PM
Mar 2013

Not that this makes much of a difference.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
30. This is why so many kids come home pregnant. Love the embracing of ignorance.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:00 PM
Mar 2013

This class should be taught even if they separate the sexes into different classes. The more you know the better off you are

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
33. And don't even THINK of saying VULVA! That's even worse!
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:01 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:20 PM - Edit history (1)

Pretty soon, you'll get to CLITORIS and then you are sure to go to hell...

riqster

(13,986 posts)
106. "There's no need to go stampeding off to the clitoris!
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:05 PM
Mar 2013

How about a nice little kiss?" (J. Cleese)

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
139. I love that routine!
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:13 PM
Mar 2013

thanks, that gave me a great midday laugh...

I think it's wonderful to have a Cleese routine play out in real life here in the U.S. There is no end to the comedy that you can have with stuff like this...

riqster

(13,986 posts)
140. Yep. Will Rogers and Walt Kelly used to say something like
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:32 PM
Mar 2013

they didn't have to invent funny ideas: they are all around us, or words to that effect.

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
38. Do the parents want their teens to think the stork brings babies?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:06 PM
Mar 2013

Heck, I took out books on STD's for my eighth grade son to read for a health class assignment. I always felt education was the best way to prevent pregnancies and disease. It worked apparently since none of the 7 experienced either and all of my 13 grandkids were wanted.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
40. But it's really about "An Inconvenient Truth"
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:08 PM
Mar 2013

The article indicates that he's in trouble for showing that film, as well. So I think we all get the picture of what's REALLY happening here.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
134. For Earth Day, Idaho is asking students to celebrate Oil Companies.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:48 PM
Mar 2013

Bingo.

AND they probably don't want their daughters to know they can have orgasms.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
41. We don't know what he is being investigated for, from this story...
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:10 PM
Mar 2013

According to McDaniel, four parents were offended that he explained the biology of an orgasm and included the word “vagina” during his lesson

That's what he says they are complaining about. What, specifically, they were complaining about is unknown, since the actual complaint is mentioned nowhere in the story.

TroglodyteScholar

(5,477 posts)
42. It's the fault of the text book's publisher.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:17 PM
Mar 2013

They should have used a less shocking and more generally acceptable term such as "hoo-hoo."

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
48. what state is this?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:36 PM
Mar 2013

maybe it doesn't matter but i'm curious nonetheless. the dumbing down of america has been quite successful it appears. i laughed at first but then realized these are 10th grade students. my children were acquainted with the word long before that. it's part of the female anatomy after all.

pediatricmedic

(397 posts)
67. Dumbing down of america is correct
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:08 PM
Mar 2013

Between the fringe groups of religious wackos and social pass liberals, education is getting dumbed down.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
71. Are you implying that babies come out of the..... ehhh you know..... down there...? Who's
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:12 PM
Mar 2013

dumb now biology boy?

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
51. a really interesting comment to the story:
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:43 PM
Mar 2013
So the man taught his students about female reproductive organs but did you also know that he has adopted "over 20" kids? Not only that they are all of a different ethnic group then Mr. Mcdaniels and 98% of the rest of the community? Could it be that these accusations are racially motiviated by a potentially bigetted (sic) community to remove the Mcdaniels from the town to re-establish a predominately white LDS community? maybe not..I guess we will have to wait and see.

ahh, magic valley. LDS, maybe even FLDS. i don't know that orgasms exist for women in the fundamentalist world. no wonder they were so mad.

53. If he called the external part the "vagina",
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:52 PM
Mar 2013

As nearly everyone incorrectly does, he needs a reprimand. The outside is the vulva. The inside is the vagina.

Dollface

(1,590 posts)
105. I figured he was explaining the contractions of the vagina during orgasm.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:02 PM
Mar 2013

Admitting that women had orgasms is probably what upset the parents.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
57. I knew it was a male teacher before clicking.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 01:59 PM
Mar 2013

... but I'm sure pay is the only reason men don't become teachers.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
63. i believe the correct term is "downton abbey"
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:05 PM
Mar 2013

at least that's what they said in that snl skit.
actually they listed several terms, maybe that only apply to the royal family

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
173. Actually, boys have two, girls have three.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:04 AM
Mar 2013

B.A. in Biology here. Didn't learn anything about sex in the farce of a sex ed class they had when I was in high school (1968-72).

They deliberately spread NO information or disinformation or just lack of information.

Like, that two virgins can have sex and get VD, and that VD is contagious like a cold--germs floating around in the air.


RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
181. I was surprised. In 1961, HS, we had some pretty good
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 09:23 AM
Mar 2013

classes. They had separate boys/girls classes and were relatively explicit for the times. It was nothing extraordinarily explicit, but it covered a lot ... and with lots of giggles and all. ... in NE outside Philly. ... at the time I did not realize how progressive our school system was in many ways ... I though everyone got all of this.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
66. The school board should send letters to the parents instead...
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:07 PM
Mar 2013

Recommending that they send their children to a parochial school - if they object to the science taught in public schools. If they prefer not to send their children to parochial school they should pay closer attention to the courses that their children have selected. There is probably an alternate science class (physics for example) that doesn't deal with the biological sciences.

The superintendent is a weenie here (or is penis more appropriate) and should back up his teachers. If he stood up to the parents the way any real leader would, it wouldn't even have made the news.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
70. Tenth graders are already familiar with less-scientific terms for 'vagina';
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:12 PM
Mar 2013

it's puzzling that the ONE word that should be used in an educational setting is causing problems for people.

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
72. jesus effing christ how did those parents ever reproduce?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:13 PM
Mar 2013

I am starting to think we should license people that want to have kids.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
179. As my history prof said of her recalcitrant poodle...
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 04:56 AM
Mar 2013

... when the bitch refused to be bred, "Any dog in the street knows how!!!!"

Yes, yes that is true. And so do these idiot parents and so will their blissfully ignorant offspring when the urge to merge occurs.

Dear God.

world wide wally

(21,742 posts)
73. The fact that the principal said "It probably won't lead to his dismissal" shows that he too thinks
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:14 PM
Mar 2013

these parents are .... how would you say it?......Fucking nuts?

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
74. This method of teaching human reproduction would have driven those parents insane
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:15 PM
Mar 2013

Famous scene from Monty Python's The Meaning Of Life.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
150. ZOMG! Baring it all for dramatic effect!
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:18 PM
Mar 2013

I really do need to see that flick, it must have been hilarious.



Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
75. Could you edit that word out of your title and use the more acceptable term
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:16 PM
Mar 2013

"ladies naughty bits"? I'll wait here while I try to pick myself up from my giant 1940s fainting couch.

Dollface

(1,590 posts)
109. I like the term "naughty bits" because it is gender neutral unless you add a modifier.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:08 PM
Mar 2013

Also, mentally, I always hear it as it would be pronounced by Julie Andrews.

Also, it's funny.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
127. When ABC showed Monty Python in 1975, they edited out the words "naughty bits"
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:45 PM
Mar 2013
In 1975, ABC purchased rights to Monty Python's Flying Circus from BBC and began airing haphazardly re-edited "highlights" as part of the American network's late-night Wide World of Entertainment. In addition to inserting commercials and making cuts that fractured the continuity of the interconnected skits, Gilliam particularly objected to ABC repeatedly bleeping out such words such as "naughty bits", even though the program aired at midnight. Gilliam filed suit, and the case moved too slowly to stop ABC's butchery of the program, but the court ruled in Gilliam and Python's favor. In a landmark decision, the court decided that ABC's large-scale changes in the program constituted copyright infringement, and members of Monty Python regained the rights to the original series. The original episodes still air, but never edited and never with commercials.

http://www.nndb.com/people/241/000024169/


This is covered in Michael Palin's diaries too - it's true.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
80. Why does anyone even go into teaching anymore?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:29 PM
Mar 2013

If you can get reprimanded for saying "vagina" while talking about reproduction, there's really nothing safe.

Would he be allowed to say "penis?" I worry that people act like our parts are dirtier than guy parts.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
82. If I were reprimanded for saying "vagina" I'd tell the board to fuck off.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:32 PM
Mar 2013

This puritan BS has to stop, I refuse to contribute to the idiocracy in this country.

I hope this teacher doesn't give in.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
83. Here is a letter from someone who took this teacher's class...very interesting...
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:33 PM
Mar 2013

You can find this letter in the comments section of that very article...

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Jess Helsley - 13 hours ago: I am incredibly proud to be an Idahoan. I have spent every day of my life proud of the fact that I grew up in a state that is famous for its incredible mountain ranges, whitewater rivers, and incredible history. However, when asked about where I am from, I am NOT AT ALL proud to tell the rest of the world that I spent the majority of my learning years in Dietrich, Idaho. My family moved to Dietrich when I was in the 3rd grade. From the first day I attended school in the Dietrich School District, until the day that I graduated from that same school, I was ridiculed because I was considered an unfit member of the community. Because my family did not attend the same church that the rest of the community attended, I was considered a heathen, and was not allowed to play with certain kids that were in my class. I was looked down upon by a community for 10 years. This form of bullying is not something that I would wish upon any child; no matter their race, religion, or sexual orientation.

It was a privilege to be a student in Mr. McDaniel's class. He was one of the few teachers that did not care what religion I practiced. Rather, he focused on my interest in the scientific field and gave me the confidence to pursue science- even when the school district was not willing to fund an actual science lab with working equipment. Thankfully, there is now a lab with functional equipment. Unfortunately, Dietrich still appears to be a community that desires to demean and ridicule the talented individuals working to educate the greater good. I may not be proud to have grown up in Dietrich, Idaho, but I am proud to have endured. I, unlike a number of my peers from Dietrich High, did not fall into the uneducated biological trap of unintentional parenting. I, thanks to the encouragement of Tim McDaniel and other mentors, went on to pursue a collegiate degree in a scientific field, and continue that pursuit as a funded researcher at the University of Idaho. Stand proud Mr. McDaniels. Science is science, and clouding science with religion- as the Dietrich School Board has done for too many years is not only illegal, but immoral. There is truly no one better than you to teach science like it is! Invite me as a guest lecturer and we will raise the roof of Dietrich High.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
84. Sweet Home California...
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:38 PM
Mar 2013

On a high school Biology exam I had to label a diagram of a vagina, including the clitoris.

Other than some jokes in the hallway after the test I don't recall anything coming of it.

phylny

(8,380 posts)
175. Sorry to intrude to clarify,
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 03:25 AM
Mar 2013

but it would more correctly be a diagram of a vulva, including a vagina, clitoris, labia, etc.



PDJane

(10,103 posts)
87. You do realize that this makes the whole country look ignorant, right?
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:42 PM
Mar 2013

What in the hell is he supposed to call it? This is biology, not sex talk with your mates under the bleachers.

And it's hard to believe that climate change is linked to politics; that's a real world issue.

it's really hard to comprehend the utter stupidity of this complaint.

Initech

(100,068 posts)
93. Vagina. The word itself offends some men. They don't like hearing it and find it difficult to say.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:50 PM
Mar 2013

Whereas without batting an eye a man will refer to his dick or his rod or his.... johnson. - Maude Lebowski



Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
95. Dietrich Idaho has 320 people..according to google..
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:51 PM
Mar 2013

It appears to be about 25 miles NNE of Twin Falls Idaho..

here is a link about the town..and you can see how it fits into the state:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich,_Idaho

What can one say????

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
104. Anyone who thinks that the American education system is going anywhere but down just
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:59 PM
Mar 2013

doesn't know the situation. The right-wingers from at least as far back is 1960, i.e. John Birch Society, have been desperately trying to take over control of the public schools from the Federal and State Gvts. and unfortunately they have been highly successful in doing that, thanks to the support from the oligarchs who need to be able to indoctrinate the children.

This flap over the proper use of the word vagina is beyond ridiculous, it is absurd and troubling.

Since when has a biology teacher been required to use euphemisms to designate body parts?


freshwest

(53,661 posts)
156. Good grief we learned this in the early sixties in gym class in Texas. There was no drama, none.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:33 PM
Mar 2013

They taught us about driving safely, the danger of smoking and STDs. They didn't say don't do it, just offered consequences.

The texts were supplemented with public safety films of car wrecks and talks from police officers about the dangers of driving too fast or drunk. Others were of the effect of smoking including lung biopsies - really turned us off cigarettes. The STD part had pictures of the graphic nature of untreated disease.

If a teacher can't use the proper medical terms, how does one explain to young ladies about their menstrual cycle without scaring them half to death?

Wait, we shouldn't even have to find different words. They might as well homeschool these kids if they can't teach them. The quiver full groups will tell the girls they don't need to learn to read because they need to cook and make babies, and the young men can pretend that they don't know what they're doing in bed.

This is deliberate. The Idiocracy or the Brave New World is being installed on the installment plan. The kids that are in this system will never be able to move up in society. Thank goodness for the teacher trying to hold back the darkness the fundies and plutos want to impose on so many. This is what becomes of letting the media miinform and miseducate the public into fantasy land.



Sadiedog

(353 posts)
108. Oh my word!
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:07 PM
Mar 2013

We teach the proper names to 4 and 5 year olds in preschool with the blessings of Law Enforcement and people who work at protecting children from abuse. This is ridicoulous beyond words. Actually naming the body parts keeps the children safer how stupid!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
111. everybody knows the correct term is "privates" or more specifically, "female privates."
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:14 PM
Mar 2013

Let the kids figure out what that means.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
118. Helicopter parents :eyeroll:
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:22 PM
Mar 2013

I remember in 7th grade, our science teacher talked about penis and vagina and how baby was made, oral and anal sex and no one (AFAIK) batted an eyelash.

She talked about condom use and other contraceptives and how the fertilized egg embedded in the uterus.

She pronounced vagina as "pagina" and after that class, I was in the library searching for that word in the "P" section of the dictionary. Let me tell you, my vocabulary grew by a significant amount that day, especially in the "P" words.

The thing is, at that time, in 7th grade, I didn't know the official term for the vagina. I think I knew penis for the male sexual organ, but we of course used "pee-pee" or "ding-dong". I don't think we used "cock" or even "dick".

Also, in 5th grade, a friend was over at my home and I said, "Fuck!" and he asked whether I knew what it meant. I gave the evasive, "Of course, it's, you know..." I don't think I had understood the mechanics of sexual intercourse at that time. Our 7th grade teacher clearly explained it to us, though.

And now I read that this teacher taught this in 10th grade. Unless those students have been hiding from the internet, I'm sure all of them have seen some of the most outrageous and amazing free porn already since 5th grade. I grew up pre-internet, so we were stuck looking at magazines if we ever had the chance.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
120. I'm late to the party but something similar just happened to me....
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:29 PM
Mar 2013

I'm in the midst of a five year post-tenure review, and had quite a nice file to send up to the committee until someone noticed that among the literally thousands of student evaluations of my courses two students in two consecutive years complained that I showed pics of naked women in my introductory zoology class. If you haven't already guessed, the pics in question turned out to be anatomical DIAGRAMS of human female reproductive anatomy and morphology, including secondary sex characters, e.g. genitals and breasts. We use humans as models of mammalian reproduction because it's easier for students to relate to their own bodies. They slides I use-- supplied by the textbook publisher and identical to illustrations in the text-- are clinical drawings, but I've nonetheless spent weeks now explaining that to committee after committee and administrator after administrator.

Un-fucking-believable.

babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
155. Wow. It seems we're going backwards; how in the world
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:31 PM
Mar 2013

did we get so puritanical? And you don't live in a small town, do you? So sorry to hear you're being hassled for something so ridiculous.

kimmylavin

(2,284 posts)
122. On the first day of sex ed...
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:33 PM
Mar 2013

Our teacher had all the girls say, "penis," and all the guys say, "vagina."
She didn't want us to get all giggly when discussing reproduction, so she had us get it out of our systems.
I thought it was a great move.

This story, however, is pathetic.
I feel sorry for that teacher.

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
128. OMG, in 10th grade bio we were looking at live, human semen under the microscope.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:45 PM
Mar 2013

No, I wasn't the one called upon to provide a sample, although my hand *was* up.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
132. That's because this is the "Magic Valley" of Idaho, where babies are born not through vaginas,
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:48 PM
Mar 2013

but through belly buttons. Didn't everyone know that?

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
135. If "vagina" in a biology class...
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 03:51 PM
Mar 2013

puts them around the bend, these parents would be clutching the pearls in my high school Health Class. I get permission notes from the parents, and the kids have to sign a "contract" acknowledging we are going to be discussing a serious subject and a mature attitude is a must. Also, no slang allowed. It works very well. We speak clinically and use medical terminology. I've never had one parent say "no" or complain. These people are just bat guano crazy, and are of the mind set who just want to destroy public education at any price. I don't care how mild the rebuke is...it shouldn't even be happening. This teacher did nothing wrong.

And just out of curiosity, I wonder how many of the girls are already pregnant.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
138. How little puritans understand that they create the very thing they fear.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:07 PM
Mar 2013

A society that openly and frankly discusses sexuality is one in which sexuality is not something evil, dirty, or to be feared.

thucythucy

(8,048 posts)
141. All the teachers I know tell me
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:52 PM
Mar 2013

the worst part of the job is having to deal with dumb-ass parents, standing in the way of their own children's education.

This looks to be a prime example.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
142. I bet their real objection was to the orgasm part
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 04:59 PM
Mar 2013

and they just threw in the "vagina" bit to try and give their offendedness some credibility.

Fucking fundies.

ck4829

(35,069 posts)
146. Aww man, none of the offended parents could be reached. Why? I'm sure they are delightful folks
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 05:35 PM
Mar 2013

They didn't want to share their reasoning for this? Makes no sense.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
153. Have times changed? I thought the V word was taught in 6th grade.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:26 PM
Mar 2013

At least, it was when I was in sex ed class fifty decades ago.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
158. It was probably less
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 06:54 PM
Mar 2013

the word "vagina" and more the inclusion of "orgasm," which means that sex is pleasurable.

That, and teaching different forms of birth control that go beyond abstention.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
167. Memo to parents: if I can find this on the internet, so can your tenth graders.
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 11:39 PM
Mar 2013


Don't like it? Better close down the internet.

agentS

(1,325 posts)
171. Well what do the parents want teachers to do? Make up code words???
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 12:42 AM
Mar 2013

It's on their FRACKIN bodies! The students aren't kindergartners, ya know?

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
178. Va-jayjay is the correct term. I heard it on one of those hospital shows on teevee
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 04:40 AM
Mar 2013

That or Lady Parts. Definitely. What's wrong with that science teacher?



Words just fail me here. I was born in 1947, and my young mother taught me the correct names for my body parts. She said the neighbors didn't necessarily appreciate it that I then taught their children those names, but whatever. I had a vagina, and my brother had a penis. Not a pee-pee or a "down there."

“It is highly unlikely it would end with his dismissal,” Hollingshead said. “Maybe a letter of reprimand from the school board.”

For the love of God, what is wrong with some people in this country?

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
186. He was my science teacher a few years back. I aced his biology tests.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 02:57 PM
Mar 2013

Question 1) Both semen and urine are carried outside the body through the tube called the __________.
Answer - Tube Thingy

Question 2) Name the 5 major components of the female reproductive system.
Answer - Canal Thingy, Round Thingys, Pear Shaped Thingy, Opening to the Pear Shaped Thingy, Tube Thingys.

Question 3) Name the 7 major components of the male reproductive system.
Answer - Round Thingys, Bag for the Round Thingys, Back Tube Thingys, Fluid Making Thingy, Track Splitter Thingy, Tube Thingy, Root of all Evil Thingy.

It was too easy...

gauguin57

(8,138 posts)
188. A 3-year-old in my family calls it her "front butt."
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 06:00 PM
Mar 2013

Preventing a teacher from teaching about vaginas and orgasms -- and all the other things the extremists would rather he not mention -- leads to stupid (and pregnant, and STD-ridden) kids.

I remember how impressed I was, as a sixth-grader and as a ninth-grader in the late 1960s-early '70s, when I had teachers who talked about our anatomy and our periods and birth control and what went where in such a straightforward way -- no couching the vital information in euphemistic terms that repressed conservatives might favor. Made me realize I didn't have to feel weird about my sexuality, or about having natural curiosity and desire.

This kind of muzzling of biology teachers makes me absolutely crazy.

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