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apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:53 PM Feb 2012

Should Obama dump Biden?

I was thinking about 2016. Wouldn't it be nice if our VP was able to run in the 2016 election? Biden would be a few days shy of 74 after the 2016 elections. If you think Biden should be replaced, who do you think should take his place?

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Should Obama dump Biden? (Original Post) apples and oranges Feb 2012 OP
No. nt onehandle Feb 2012 #1
No. nt sufrommich Feb 2012 #2
it's not going to happen. it. just. isn't. CTyankee Feb 2012 #3
No. nt CherokeeDem Feb 2012 #4
No. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #5
Let me guess the replacement treestar Feb 2012 #6
Who do you have in mind? Hmmmm? lamp_shade Feb 2012 #7
No Motown_Johnny Feb 2012 #8
No. TheWraith Feb 2012 #9
How many VPs have gone on become President after 8 years of their predecessor? Pab Sungenis Feb 2012 #15
I suppose I should have counted Nixon. TheWraith Feb 2012 #38
Yes. avaistheone1 Feb 2012 #10
No, it would be a terrible mistake Mike 03 Feb 2012 #11
No. n/t Lil Missy Feb 2012 #12
No. Pab Sungenis Feb 2012 #13
This brings up another huge point. Chan790 Feb 2012 #72
This Joe Biden? lamp_shade Feb 2012 #14
No. nt CJCRANE Feb 2012 #16
Hell no and I am tired of the suggestion. nt mfcorey1 Feb 2012 #17
No. But I am disappointed in JB. He's not loud enough on any of the issues. I'm not sure what he patrice Feb 2012 #18
He's been forced to STFU. LiberalEsto Feb 2012 #32
I agree. Things really are VERY dicey, so even what used to be ordinary behavior for a VP patrice Feb 2012 #45
Can't imagine why. hifiguy Feb 2012 #19
Noooooooooooo! I love him!! Greybnk48 Feb 2012 #20
Noooooo!!!! Mass Feb 2012 #21
Not only NO!, but fuck NO! liberal N proud Feb 2012 #22
Admit it. In real life, you're Joe Biden.... Robb Feb 2012 #23
Hell no.... NotThisTime Feb 2012 #24
Fuck. No. 11 Bravo Feb 2012 #25
You took my answer. Richardo Feb 2012 #27
Hey, I'm happy to share! 11 Bravo Feb 2012 #34
This ^. Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #41
absolutely not. nt Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2012 #26
I like Biden. lpbk2713 Feb 2012 #28
Leave Joe alone!!! Little Star Feb 2012 #29
Fuck No - nt Ohio Joe Feb 2012 #30
NO JI7 Feb 2012 #31
No. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #33
no barbtries Feb 2012 #35
Absolutely not. n/t Wait Wut Feb 2012 #36
Didn't know they were dating. Noodleboy13 Feb 2012 #37
WTF , Allegiance? orpupilofnature57 Feb 2012 #39
No. n/t Lugnut Feb 2012 #40
Fuck no!!! Nt madinmaryland Feb 2012 #42
hell no Cooley Hurd Feb 2012 #43
Perhaps the other way around Demeter Feb 2012 #44
NO Obamacare Feb 2012 #46
Biden does not operate independently loyalsister Feb 2012 #71
No. glinda Feb 2012 #47
No etherealtruth Feb 2012 #48
No n/t KT2000 Feb 2012 #49
No fucking way. Shankapotomus Feb 2012 #50
No. nt Chorophyll Feb 2012 #51
LOL. No. Again. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #52
No. nt frogmarch Feb 2012 #53
No, absolutely not.. MicaelS Feb 2012 #54
FFS. He already asked Biden and Biden accepted. JTFrog Feb 2012 #55
This is the dumbest meme in the history of dumb memes. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #56
+1000000000000 jillan Feb 2012 #59
55 replies, no recs. that's your answer right there. onenote Feb 2012 #57
Ain't gonna happen. DinahMoeHum Feb 2012 #58
Yes, and replace him with Cornel West. Vattel Feb 2012 #60
While I sure don't want Hillary customerserviceguy Feb 2012 #61
NO demtenjeep Feb 2012 #62
dump? no. but... ldf Feb 2012 #63
Again?? cliffordu Feb 2012 #64
No. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #65
NO! nt coffeenap Feb 2012 #66
No, keep Biden and there will be plenty of good electable candidates in 2016. n/t totodeinhere Feb 2012 #67
No, I think Joe Biden's great! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2012 #68
NO. I'd unrecommend if I could donheld Feb 2012 #69
Since we're bullshittin'... SaintPete Feb 2012 #70

treestar

(82,383 posts)
6. Let me guess the replacement
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:55 PM
Feb 2012

Hillary would be 69.

I don't think the Democratic candidate has to be the VP. There's nothing that says that a VP has such a greater chance of winning these days.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
8. No
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:56 PM
Feb 2012

It would be a huge political problem and distract from the issues


We can worry about the next cycle next cycle, lets win this one first.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
9. No.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:56 PM
Feb 2012

Aside from all the other reasons, the advantage that a sitting VP holds is VASTLY exaggerated. How many VPs have gone on become President after 8 years of their predecessor? In the last 50 years, just one: George Herbert Walker Bush, who had the advantage of running against someone who should not have been within a mile of Presidential politics and subsequently self-destructed.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
15. How many VPs have gone on become President after 8 years of their predecessor?
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 06:01 PM
Feb 2012

In history? Only four: Adams, Van Buren, Nixon, and Poppy. You might count Jefferson but the President he served under only served one term. Plus Nixon had an 8 year gap.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
38. I suppose I should have counted Nixon.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 06:41 PM
Feb 2012

However, as noted, he wasn't VP when he finally won the Presidency, and when he WAS VP he lost.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
10. Yes.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:57 PM
Feb 2012

I can't see Biden running our country. Sorry just can't.


It would be better if we had a Dem VP in place who could take the White House in 2016.
Biden will never be president. Mark me words.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
11. No, it would be a terrible mistake
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:57 PM
Feb 2012

Biden has been a loyal VP, and Obama is beginning to look like a bamboo chute in the wind on issues that he is passionate about. It would be an awful decision to dump Biden.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
13. No.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:59 PM
Feb 2012

Biden is the best mind out there for foreign policy, and would be the best qualified person to step in if the worst should happen. For those two reasons he needs to stay.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
72. This brings up another huge point.
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 02:16 AM
Feb 2012

Based on today's scuttlebutt and the Panetta reveal, we're much-closer to having a shooting war with Iran than we were a few days ago.

If such a war occurs it'll still be ongoing during the campaign and election...that Biden FP experience will be essential to a election win.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
18. No. But I am disappointed in JB. He's not loud enough on any of the issues. I'm not sure what he
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 06:04 PM
Feb 2012

cares about, except the military, because his son is in.

I know he's an asset, because he has BIG party apparatus behind him, just he doesn't do anything for me and mine on OUR issues. He's nice, but, other than that, he's nothing.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
45. I agree. Things really are VERY dicey, so even what used to be ordinary behavior for a VP
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:12 PM
Feb 2012

could be a problem.

And, yes, I'd bet he KNOWS tons of stuff we'd like to hear.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
19. Can't imagine why.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 06:05 PM
Feb 2012

The important thing is that a Dem start positioning him/herself as a strong candidate following the 2014 midterms.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
23. Admit it. In real life, you're Joe Biden....
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 06:11 PM
Feb 2012

...and you were feelin' a little low, and posted this to get a little shot in the arm.

Well, I'm here to tell ya, we love you Joe!

 

Obamacare

(277 posts)
46. NO
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 07:14 PM
Feb 2012

and I'm tired of folks suggesting Obama dump Biden. What president has done that in recent years, its pathetic and desperate. Biden, has disappointed me as well, because he isn't loud enough, he needs to attack the racist rethugs and their blatant disrespect for President Obama. Obama, has had to carry his ticket all by himself, Gore helped Clinton a lot more than Biden has helped Obama. With that said, he needs to stay put, it just doesn't look good to switch vps!!

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
71. Biden does not operate independently
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 01:57 AM
Feb 2012

Obama is his boss, and he's obligated to do what he can to ensure success of the current admin. He serves at the pleasure of the president and Obama knows better than to turn Joe loose at every turn. Part of Joe's appeal is that he has something original to say when he shows up.

I think he's great and has served us well. When he comes out swinging, I am always cheering him on.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
55. FFS. He already asked Biden and Biden accepted.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 09:44 PM
Feb 2012

How many times are we going to have to hear this crap before Obama/Biden win in November?






 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
60. Yes, and replace him with Cornel West.
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 10:04 PM
Feb 2012

I like Cornel, but I'm not serious. Just got bored with all the "no" posts.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
61. While I sure don't want Hillary
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 10:05 PM
Feb 2012

I also recognize the mistake the Repigs made by not having an heir apparent to Dubya. We look like we're about to go down the same trail.

Reagan figured out quickly how to not make that mistake. Poppy couldn't hold the electorate, but it's been a very long time since we've seen a multi-term President followed by a President from our party. You have to go back to Harry Truman for that, and he had the advantage of being able to serve most all of FDR's 4th term, plus massive disarray in the Rethug party in 1948.

ldf

(2,964 posts)
63. dump? no. but...
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 10:30 PM
Feb 2012

it would be nice if we could move back to the left.

biden, knowing he will not be the one to go forward, should voluntarily step aside. he can always advise from the wings.

maybe rocky anderson?

Rhiannon12866

(205,320 posts)
68. No, I think Joe Biden's great!
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 11:10 PM
Feb 2012

He's a terrific compliment to the president, has experience in foreign policy and they make a superior team. I'd also vote for Joe Biden anytime...

SaintPete

(533 posts)
70. Since we're bullshittin'...
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 01:13 AM
Feb 2012

I think they should switch - let Biden run the show in 2012, and Obama can be his VP. In 2016, Biden can retire, and Obama can run for another 4 years, with Warren as his VP. In 2020, Warren can run for Pres, and by that time there will be some other Dem ready to step up to the plate.

Since we're just bullshittin'...

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