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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:25 PM Feb 2012

Male and female behavior deconstructed

Looks like scientists are getting closer to nailing down the 'nature' side of gender-related behavior... and possibly future treatments for disorders and diseases that affect one gender more than the other.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-02/uoc--maf020212.php

(snip)

Now a team of scientists at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) has uncovered many genes influenced by the male and female sex hormones testosterone and estrogen that, in turn, govern several specific types of male and female behaviors in mice.

The UCSF team selectively turned many of these genes off one by one and found they could manipulate individual behaviors in the mice, like their sex drive, desire to pick fights, or willingness to spend extra time caring for their young.

"It's as if you can deconstruct a social behavior into genetic components," said Nirao Shah, MD, PhD, an associate professor in the Department of Anatomy at UCSF who led the research, which is published in the 2/3/12 issue of the journal Cell. "Each gene regulates a few components of a behavior without affecting other aspects of male and female behavior.

(snip)

"Some of the genes we have identified in our study have indeed been implicated in various human disorders that are found in sex-skewed ratios," said Shah. "We won't immediately find all the answers to these disorders based on this research alone, but in the future, it might indeed help to identify more informed ways of treating such conditions."

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Male and female behavior deconstructed (Original Post) redqueen Feb 2012 OP
I'm a little uncomfortable with this line of research apples and oranges Feb 2012 #1
How? By pumping people full of estrogen? Cali_Democrat Feb 2012 #3
That might be happening as we speak. Zalatix Feb 2012 #9
Thinking about this makes me burst into tears. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #17
Not me. Pump the world full of estrogen! Zalatix Feb 2012 #24
Yes, but would anyone care? FarCenter Feb 2012 #5
the outcomes of embryonic exposure to various ratios of sex hormones have been known... mike_c Feb 2012 #16
Patriarchal vs Egalitarian YoungDemCA Feb 2012 #2
The same could be said of class lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #18
Great, now those pre-crime trailers will sniff your pheromonal balance, and indict. WingDinger Feb 2012 #4
Can't wait to dive into this JustAnotherGen Feb 2012 #6
My pleasure! redqueen Feb 2012 #7
That's odd. I nurture & care for my young AND enjoy mounting females of my species Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #8
Testosterone bad, estrogen good? Zalatix Feb 2012 #10
Yes, that's *precisely* what the article is trying to say petronius Feb 2012 #11
Oh, you got me good with that one. I feel the sting! Zalatix Feb 2012 #12
Your mistake was in thinking the article was saying good or bad things about petronius Feb 2012 #14
Now if we just had the intelligence and maturity to lunatica Feb 2012 #13
An early attempt: hootinholler Feb 2012 #15
Okay, I get all the buttons Rex Feb 2012 #19
Another problem is that the knobs wouldn't have any pointers or markings. FarCenter Feb 2012 #21
Good point...and the power switch to the man Rex Feb 2012 #22
George Carlin solved this already: gort Feb 2012 #20
We are not just a bag of bones and chemicals... behold a pale horse Feb 2012 #23

apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
1. I'm a little uncomfortable with this line of research
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:28 PM
Feb 2012

Governments could misuse it to create a more docile society.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
24. Not me. Pump the world full of estrogen!
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 03:26 PM
Feb 2012

No more picking fights, attempting to mount females, no more wars...

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
16. the outcomes of embryonic exposure to various ratios of sex hormones have been known...
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 01:27 PM
Feb 2012

...for some time-- this research just tells us some of the genetic mechanisms involved with regulating those responses. I think it's fascinating because it shines light on the genetic control of behavior, and helps us frame the context within which individual "free will" operates.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
2. Patriarchal vs Egalitarian
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 03:35 PM
Feb 2012

If you look at societies that are extremely patriarchal, they have much worse social problems, economic inequality, repression, poverty, lack of opportunity, lagging economic growth, violence, war...the list goes on!

On the other hand, if you look at societies that are more egalitarian in gender opportunities, they have higher life expectancies, more equality (not just gender equality, either), better economic growth, less crime, less repression, more freedom, higher quality of life across the board.


The moral of the story: When we, the men of the world, have too much power, we tend to screw things up really badly.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
18. The same could be said of class
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:03 PM
Feb 2012

Last edited Sat Feb 4, 2012, 09:34 PM - Edit history (1)

A Somali warlord controls all the community wealth and shares it at his discretion.

Sweden and Rwanda were both created by men. I think your moral is too reductionist to be of any value.

 

WingDinger

(3,690 posts)
4. Great, now those pre-crime trailers will sniff your pheromonal balance, and indict.
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 04:27 PM
Feb 2012

The first application will be conditional release of violent felons, given they accept hormonal disrupters.

JustAnotherGen

(31,823 posts)
6. Can't wait to dive into this
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 05:48 PM
Feb 2012

You find the most thought provoking articles for my fiance and me to discuss! Thanks!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
8. That's odd. I nurture & care for my young AND enjoy mounting females of my species
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 07:19 PM
Feb 2012
Female mice in the laboratory normally exhibit what one might consider classic motherly behaviors—mating with male mice and nurturing their young. But female mice with a genetic trait making them unable to sense the hormone estrogen lose their interest in sex and spend less time caring for their offspring.

Fortified by testosterone, male mice in the laboratory display behaviors tending toward the aggressive. They will fight with each other, try to mount female mice and mark their territory with urine. Deprived of testosterone, however, castrated male mice no longer behave so aggressively.


I must have a lot of both.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
11. Yes, that's *precisely* what the article is trying to say
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 08:29 PM
Feb 2012

It's too bad they didn't have access to a skilled editor such as yourself, to boil down all that irrelevant and meaningless verbiage into such a succinct and pithy statement...


(Now please tell me if you'd like a sarcasm smiley, an eyeroll smiley, or both. I'll come back later and edit in your preference.)

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
12. Oh, you got me good with that one. I feel the sting!
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 09:43 PM
Feb 2012

I guess I totally mistook "often inducing aggressive behavior in the process" and "they will fight with each other, try to mount female mice and mark their territory with urine" as bad things.

In fact, I totally missed all the good things that the article had to say about testosterone, particularly...

er...

ummm....

I know they were mentioned in there somewhere.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
14. Your mistake was in thinking the article was saying good or bad things about
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 10:59 PM
Feb 2012

testosterone, estrogen, or any other hormone. What you should be asking yourself is: why did you read an article describing the biological and behavioral effects of sex hormones and interpret it as a judgmental comparison piece requiring score-keeping and fair play?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
13. Now if we just had the intelligence and maturity to
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 09:50 PM
Feb 2012

apply to our genetics, life would be pretty cool for both sexes everywhere.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. Okay, I get all the buttons
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:08 PM
Feb 2012

BUT a thumbpad? Women don't have a thumbpad...I've looked.

And the buttons are way to willy-nilly chaotic...a womans buttons would be lined up and organized imo.

That bottom control panel looks more like my room right now (chaos) then anything else.

Just my freakin 2 centars...

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. Good point...and the power switch to the man
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:50 PM
Feb 2012

would be unmarked as well. It would be a huge red button that has to be punched really hard to change from off to on.

gort

(687 posts)
20. George Carlin solved this already:
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:14 PM
Feb 2012

“Here's all you have to know about men and women: women are crazy, men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is that men are stupid.” -George Carlin.

 
23. We are not just a bag of bones and chemicals...
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:52 PM
Feb 2012

Man are scientists off! Some men are more nurturing than some women and visa versa!

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