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kpete

(72,030 posts)
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 12:16 AM Feb 2012

Soaking the Poor, State by State

You have heard, perhaps, that rich people in America are egregiously overtaxed. And the poor? They're the lucky duckies! Why, 47 percent of Americans pay no taxes at all!

(This is not true, of course. Many poor and elderly Americans pay no federal income tax, but they pay plenty of other taxes.)

Still and all, it's true that the federal income tax is indeed progressive. Conservatives are right about that—though it's not as progressive as it used to be, back before top marginal rates were lowered and capital gains taxes were slashed in half. But conservatives are a little less excited to talk about other kinds of taxes. Payroll taxes aren't progressive, for example. In fact, they're actively regressive, with the poor and middle classes paying higher rates than the rich.

And then there are state taxes. Those include state income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and fees of various kinds. How progressive are state taxes?

Answer: They aren't. The Corporation for Enterprise Development recently released a scorecard for all 50 states, and it has boatloads of useful information. That includes overall tax rates, where data from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy shows that in the median state (Mississippi, as it turns out) the poorest 20 percent pay twice the tax rate of the top 1 percent. In the worst states, the poorest 20 percent pay five to six times the rate of the richest 1 percent. Lucky duckies indeed. There's not one single state with a tax system that's progressive. Check the table below to see how your state scores.



http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/02/soaking-poor-state-state

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Soaking the Poor, State by State (Original Post) kpete Feb 2012 OP
Great Information. Glad my state Oregon is one of the better ones, but still 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #1
There is an additional hidden tax in NH Mopar151 Feb 2012 #2
I think ITEP figures that in hfojvt Feb 2012 #3
look at that - Kansas is more progressive than Washington and Massachusetts hfojvt Feb 2012 #4
Good God, that's one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen. Zoeisright Feb 2012 #5
well it is more disgusting hfojvt Feb 2012 #8
+100000 woo me with science Feb 2012 #9
Some of the states with the highest ROI from DC are at the top of the list. DCKit Feb 2012 #6
I imagine this is largely due to ... surrealAmerican Feb 2012 #7
This chart needs to be reposted everywhere. woo me with science Feb 2012 #10
it's having some toruble staying on the front page hfojvt Feb 2012 #11
Great taste! nt woo me with science Feb 2012 #13
LESS FILLING!!!1!!! hfojvt Feb 2012 #17
k&r Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #12
K&R varelse Feb 2012 #14
If I read that chart correctly there is not a single state where the poor are not paying more taxes jwirr Feb 2012 #15
The ProSense Feb 2012 #16
almost as bad, in some ways, is the rest of the regressivity hfojvt Feb 2012 #18
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
1. Great Information. Glad my state Oregon is one of the better ones, but still
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 12:28 AM
Feb 2012

Overtaxing poor people at state level is just as despicable as at the national level.

Mopar151

(10,004 posts)
2. There is an additional hidden tax in NH
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 01:04 AM
Feb 2012

The share of rent that goes to exorbitant local property taxes - which are particularly high in low income towns.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
3. I think ITEP figures that in
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:11 AM
Feb 2012

ITEP being the ones who did the tax calculations by income for each state.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
4. look at that - Kansas is more progressive than Washington and Massachusetts
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:12 AM
Feb 2012

but Brownback is working to change that, trying to make Kansas more like Texas.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
5. Good God, that's one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:13 AM
Feb 2012

No wonder this country is falling apart.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
8. well it is more disgusting
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 11:13 AM
Feb 2012

that some politicians can offer to solve our problems by - large tax cuts for the top 1%, and they are not tarred and feathered, run out of town on a rail, or laughed off of the stage for being idiots.

And yes, Governor Brownback, I am looking at you.

surrealAmerican

(11,365 posts)
7. I imagine this is largely due to ...
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 08:31 AM
Feb 2012

... most states' reliance on sales taxes and fees, as opposed to income tax. It rely does put a disproportionate share of the burden on the people who can least afford it.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
11. it's having some toruble staying on the front page
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 01:08 PM
Feb 2012

Perhaps if you and I got into a fight.

I'll start.

Less filling!!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
15. If I read that chart correctly there is not a single state where the poor are not paying more taxes
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:12 PM
Feb 2012

than the rich. This needs to be seen on the news - maybe Big Ed or Rachel or KO if he ever gets back.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
16. The
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:26 PM
Feb 2012
And then there are state taxes. Those include state income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and fees of various kinds. How progressive are state taxes?

Answer: They aren't....

...claim that "47 percent of Americans pay no taxes at all" has been one of the most disgusting "look-over-there" lies pushed by greedy wealthy assholes.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
18. almost as bad, in some ways, is the rest of the regressivity
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 05:17 PM
Feb 2012

comparing the tax rate of the 21st-40th percentile

to

the 81st-95th percentile

for just a few states

California - 8.75% to 7.5%
Delaware - 6.0% to 5.2%
Kansas - 8.6% to 8.0%
Massachusetts - 10.1% to 7.7%
Wisconsin - 10.7% to 9.2%

Again, among even those progressive states, Kansas has the least regressive tax system, but they are ALL regressive - even when it comes to charging the lower middle class a higher tax rate than the upper middle class.

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