Check in here if you're skipping the 2014 elections because

[MannyGoldstein]

elected Democrats are tools of the 1%.

(I'm not, but I'd like to know who you people are that I keep reading about.)

[Zorra]

1. I'm not, but there's a rumor going around that a friend of my sister's friend's cousin

in Sheboygan may be skipping the 2014 election for that very reason.

[Flashmann]

2. if you're skipping the 2014 elections because

I'm not...No way.I'm more determined to vote than ever before.

There will be those who will sit '14 out,just like 2010.Because THAT'LL teach 'em!!

[yourout]

12. The problem isn't the "That'll teach 'em" crowd. It's the...

"why bother" crowd that needs incentive to vote and Chained CPI is a terrible way to do it.

[Laelth]

16. Precisely.

I don't know of anyone in the "that'll teach 'em" crowd. That's a straw man. The "why bother" crowd, on the other hand, is quite real, and having a Democratic President propose cuts to SS doesn't help us convince those folks to vote for Democrats.

-Laelth

[hay rick]

59. +1000

Nail, meet hammer.

[Autumn]

3. I'm voting

because republicans really really really really really really really honestly and truly do suck. And because I want Elizabeth Warren to have a whole bunch of Democrats to kick in line when she gets elected to the White House.

[Marr]

4. I think that's more like a preemptive excuse from the "blame the left first" crowd.

Obama has damaged the party's 2014 prospects with his offer to cut Social Security.

For the record, I am not skipping 2014.

[treestar]

36. Well then he hasn't damaged anything

And the left is trying to damage the Democratic party and its chances. Don't pretend your constant banging away against Obama and the Democrats, while giving the Rs a free pass, is not intended to do just that.

[Marr]

41. Let me get this straight:

Obama's offer to cut Social Security does no damage to the party's prospects in 2014, but the complaints of liberals on an internet forum (who are an irrelevant minority, and not worth paying attention to) are doing damage to those prospects.

That's um... interesting.

[one_voice]

42. +1000

[sabrina 1]

58. The damage is never with Democrats, just like 2010, it will be with Independents and the young,

which he lost because of the HC bill and the abandonment of the PO. Of course the lie that it was 'left' that stayed home, when it is obvious that was a lie, will be regurgitated when the same thing happens again. And just like the last time, no one will believe the lie.

We could avoid another disaster like that however, if Democrats stand up against this disastrous proposal. So far, it's not looking good.

[Laelth]

5. I have, over the years, admired much of what you have said here.

But I do not understand the purpose of this thread. I would invite you to delete it. I am not sure what good it can do.

Your call, of course, and really none of my business.

Regards,

-Laelth

[djean111]

13. I think the purpose of this thread is to acknowledge that the unicorn-worshiping

Left is already being blamed for anything bad that happens in 2014. Instead of Obama for proposing Chained CPI and giving a campaign gift to the GOP. And, really, anyone who thought chained CPI would get GOP voters to vote Dem is monumentally and abysmally intelligence-challenged. Just my opinion, of course.

I hear all of us Lefties will be voting for Ralph Nader. Again. Snerk.
I will vote in 2014, hopefully to primary anyone in my district who votes for Chained CPI.
I don't give a rat's ass what else is in the bill, because here's the thing - when you accept making Sophie's choice, sooner or later they come back for the other kid.

[randome]

17. I doubt offering CCPI was to sway non-elected voters.

I THINK (I don't know, of course) it was to peel off a few Republicans from the House to support the other measures in the proposed budget. At the very least, Republicans will be in disarray when THEY vote.

[djean111]

18. That's sort of sickening, bargaining away SS for a few votes.

Maybe it never occurred to anyone at the White House that this would not only piss off some Dem voters, but give the GOP a lovely lovely campaign weapon?
Wonder what the hell is next to be auctioned off.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

29. If "bargaining away SS for a few votes," it is.

Was that the bargain?

When Harry Truman's term was over, he and his wife drove back to Missouri in their Buick and lived a modest life. For those who value wealth, Obama is not going to make that mistake.

What's going to be auction off next, you ask. Watch for the TVA. They've already made plans to auction it off. If we're lucky, it won't be auctioned off to a Chinese company.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

31. Agreed. It may mistakenly and unintentionally be inviting some DUers to violate the terms of service

which may be exploited by others.

It is a mistake to post something which may be interpreted as an invitation for others to play the roll of William Tell.

[yourout]

6. Generally speaking it's not the DUers you have to worry about....

It's the people that are not particularly political and see both parties with the same disdain.

And there are a lot of them.

These are the people you need to win to take back the house and proposing Chained CPI is not how you do it even if it is just a political ploy.

[WillyT]

25. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!!

EXACTLY !!!

[SidDithers]

7. I suspect there will be a lot of "posting privileges before principles"...

on display in this thread.

How about those not skipping 2014, but voting for non-Democratic Party candidates? Will they have the courage to admit it?

Sid.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

33. I suspect that neither you nor other Canadians are going to be voting in the 2014 elections.

[MineralMan]

8. GOTV 2014!

That is all.

[ProSense]

9. Aren't you

Check in here if you're skipping the 2014 elections because

elected Democrats are tools of the 1%.

(I'm not, but I'd like to know who you people are that I keep reading about.)

...part of the problem you decry? Why do you continue to vote for "tools of the 1%"?

[LWolf]

10. Why would I skip the election?

I never have before.

[one_voice]

11. Let's see just how far...

we can push our luck.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. My vote is my own. To do with as I please.

But, I've yet to not vote since 1966.

My vote is not beholden to any party or politician and they must earn it.

[Deep13]

15. nope nt

[Buzz Clik]

19. Everyone who answers affirmative should be scorned.

If you don't like the Dems available, get involved at the grassroots.

[Tom Rinaldo]

20. I thought the next election was in 2016. What are you talking about? n/t

[Rex]

23. Midterms.

Senate and House elections.

[Tom Rinaldo]

24. Midterms?

You mean like what Sarah Palin did? And wasn't she a Governor? If I lived in Alaska I still wouldn't vote for her even if she did serve all the way until 2016.

[MADem]

62. For me, the next election is in a couple of weeks--we have to pick our primary candidates for

Kerry's seat.

It'll end up being Markey (I like him much better than Lynch--so do most Dems) v. Some Loser GOP twerp.

Of course, I wanna be sure to get plenty of voters to the polls!

[Tom Rinaldo]

65. I am so looking forward to Senator Markey

Gotta say I envy your state's Senator's. There are a lot of state's much worse off than NY in that regard, but Warren & Markey, Wow.

[undeterred]

21. Is it 2014 already?

[Rex]

22. Me too I want to know who here is going to skip.

Not me, I voted and will again in 2014. Maybe one of these mythical people will show up and tell us why.

[Warren Stupidity]

26. No fucking way.

Here in NH we have a really fucking serious teabaggery sitchiation, two great progressive house reps, a mildly progressive governor, and the entire state loonislature on the line.

No thanks, not skipping squat. Will continue to complain loudly about the idiocy of Obama proposing cuts to social security while wall street billionaires continue to wallow in the reagan era tax cuts they bought themselves.

[Phlem]

27. I never skip elections.

Ever.



-p

[LadyHawkAZ]

28. I don't skip elections

2014 will be no different.

[MNBrewer]

30. Of course not

But I might not be voting for the democrats who actually ARE tools of the 1%. The Democrats who work for the 99% will get my vote.

[patrice]

32. ALL you are doing is guaranteeing CCPI by promoting Democratic DEFEAT & thus weakening the

President's position.

My god, Manny, do you really think we are too stupid to recognize your instances of Plausible Deniability when we see them?

I think YOU are on a power trip. Have you asked yourself that question. I'd bet BIG money you have not. Convince me that I am wrong.

[AverageJoe90]

34. And there we go.

Are we the only two people here who realize that the Republicans are the ones who are risking their support? Damned by seniors if they do support the CCPI offer, and damned by the Teabaggers if they don't.

[patrice]

37. I'm having SERIOUS trouble with people who think these kinds of negotiations are just like you and I

talking about the issues.

NO ONE here seems to mind what THEY DON'T KNOW. Doesn't that seem just a little strange?

[patrice]

35. Everyone in this thread convince me why I should believe a bunch of people posting under FALSE names

The Reich-wing is not the only ones capable of using Plausible Deniability.

The drive toward power for power's sake is overwhelming in a situation in which the single BEST, cheapest, most effective, solution to all of our problems is "getting rid" of a bunch of people. Anyone who REFUSES to admit this, SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED, especially when they are anonymous, even if they APPEAR to be "right".

FOUR Fingers!!!!

[msongs]

39. speaking of GETTING RID OF PEOPLE which among us is using drones to KILL a "bunch of people" as

that person likes the single BEST cheapest most effective solution? not moi

[patrice]

40. And who exactly is attacking the president AND protecting unregulated ASSAULT WEAPONS markets

all over the world.

Answer me please, is the killing okay as long as it is freelance?

[99Forever]

38. I'll be voting...

... my conscience in 2014, without having the hold my nose while doing it.

[leftyohiolib]

45. so will i when i vote straight d in 2014

[99Forever]

54. How you vote is your business.

How I vote is mine. That's why there is a curtain on the booth.

[leftyohiolib]

63. obviously

[99Forever]

64. Apparently not so obivious...

... to you or you wouldn't have posted your fishing reply to me.

[leftyohiolib]

66. it's obvious - that your vote is yours and my vote is mine and there is a curtain

but since you're the great see'er of things perhaps you could tell me what im fishing for

[99Forever]

68. Excellent!

Double down on the bait.

It never ceases to amaze me how naive some people think others are, especially True Believers.

[leftyohiolib]

69. wtf are u talking about? have u been up all nite

[PufPuf23]

43. I'm voting and will vote for Democratic candidates

I live in an area of California that is safely D at state and federal level. I would rather see more liberal candidates for Congress than Pelosi, Feinstein, and Mike Thompson. Thompson is a Blue Dog / DLC type. Feinstein is a corrupt war profiter. Pelosi took impeachment off the table when there was more reason for impeachment than ever in my life. I'd like to see all three replaced with individuals that are more representitive of the wants and needs of the People and do not tolerate war and financial criminals.

I blame the Obama Administration and D Congressional leaders for the midterm disaster in 2012; most specifically ACA, treatment of banks, and economy.

I expect another midterm disaster in 2014 because of the Obama Administration; most specifically the SS/Medicare and economy.

2012 was not the fault of those on the left and neither will be 2014.

I will vote for HRC (if I am alive) in 2016 but she will also be my last choice as she was in 2012 primaries.

I have lost respect for Obama nor does he retain my trust. He has proven to not give a fuck about most of us and coddles war and financial criminals. Obama has been a disaster for enacting ACA that is a gift to corporate interests. Obama's education and environmental policies are retrograde. The DOJ under Holder is a cruel joke. . When Obama won in 2012, I cried for the first time over an election in my 60 years. I expect the USA and my own personal situation to continue to decline in my older years.

The GOP will campaign in 2014 on SS/Medicare and the existence faux liberal Obama and the corporatists that have taken over the Democratic Party will have continuing cover for trade agreements, war, and other policies contrary to the needs and wishes of most American, particularly the poor, elderly, and young.

I'd like to see a woman POTUS in 2016, just not HRC or any other corporatist.

[fredamae]

44. I'm Def Voting as I did in '10

but definitely will be trying to recruit Much better candidates, vetting More and more thoughtfully...and there are very few Dems I will donate to across the country--I "divorced" the DSCC/DCCC/DNC---I donate directly to "the ones I love".
I no longer give a crap whether there is a "D or an R" behind their names--I'm "in" with those who have proven records of doing the peoples work--period.
Hopefully many good, qualified folks will be willing to jump in--they might have the best chance ever of a strong win..especially the "unknowns outside the DC Beltway" without corporate ties.

[Tx4obama]

46. Obama Called Their Bluff: Republicans Admit They Are Too Scared to Cut Social Security

Obama Called Their Bluff: Republicans Admit They Are Too Scared to Cut Social Security

You may have missed it, but over the weekend congressional Republicans admitted that they are terrified that any Social Security cuts will lead to their defeat.

If you have been paying attention to the politics of Obama’s chained CPI offer, you may have noticed that Republicans have been running away like their hair’s on fire away from his proposal.

The reason why is that Republicans are afraid that the president is setting them up. Roll Call reported, “The debate Walden’s remarks has set off inside the GOP shows many Republicans harbor deep-seated fears about publicly supporting the entitlement cuts they supposedly back and have demanded Obama and other Democrats embrace since taking control of the House in 2011…Many GOP operatives fear Obama’s embrace of chained consumer price index, a mechanism to slow the growth of Social Security benefits over time, is a trap — a means of getting Republicans to support the policy on the record only to see Democrats savage them for it down the line.”

The Republican strategists who suspect this are partially correct. President Obama is using Chained CPI to set up a win/win/win situation for Democrats. Republicans have to choose between raising taxes in order to get the Chained CPI, arguing for Chained CPI without the tax increase, or rejecting Chained CPI. If Republicans express any desire to cut Social Security, Democrats will savage them for it during next year’s election. If Republicans agree to raise taxes at all, the base of their party will erupt in rage. If Republicans split and some of them reject Chained CPI, it will never become law. (Chained CPI probably won’t become law anyway, because Harry Reid and many Senate Democrats have promised to oppose any changes to Social Security.)

-snip-

Read more: http://www.politicususa.com/obama-called-bluff-republicans-admit-scared-cut-social-security.html

[OKNancy]

47. thanks for posting this

I think some were ridiculed for suggesting this very situation

[MannyGoldstein]

50. That's great! Here's the supporting Republican quote I like best:

Oh, uh, wait... There are zero Republican quotes in that piece which support its thesis.

Pure conjecture.

[Tx4obama]

51. If you had gone to the article on the link I posted and then clicked on the hyper-links within...

... the article you would have seen some Republican quotes.

[BumRushDaShow]

55. You know some here like to shoot then aim. n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

57. Like that person in the mirror?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2673766

[MannyGoldstein]

56. But the quotes don't support the article's claim

and you're using the article as some sort of evidence.

Of course i checked the articles and the articles it linked to before posting my earlier response. But I don't see a quote, in either that article or the linked articles, by a Republican saying that they’re too scared to cut Social Security.

I even posted this as a comment on the article page, and the moderator answered by trying to change the subject.

Seems like a Third Way site. Acts like one, too.

[greatauntoftriplets]

48. Hell no!

[quinnox]

49. Nah, I like to vote for state-wide issues

They usually have some issues on the ballot I find interesting, like last time they had a vote about whether to build a casino nearby, and I wanted that to happen so I voted yes. But it failed.

[graham4anything]

52. I am voting. Straight Democratic and always will.

Look what Ralph Nader did in 2000?
BTW, those that hate Clinton(both of them), well, look what a 3rd party run did in 1992.

Naderites,Steinites,Perotites,anyites only have themselves to blame.

I would have voted for LBJ in the 1968 primary.
Because he was the single most progressive liberal ever in upper politics(meaning top level).

A helleva lot better than voting for George Wallace and the Dixiecrats who helped Nixon defeat HHH

It wouldn't have happened if LBJ was on the ballot against Nixon.

Remember to vote democratic except in the few instances where there is no democratic candidate that could win, but one that promises to caucus with the democratic party.

First take 80%
then weed out the individuals with a different democratic candidate at that time in the future

Remember- just to humor you-let's say Elizabeth Warren were the nominee -(and I would vote for her if she were)
for Elizabeth Warren (should she be the nominee) to win-she needs 100% of both Hillary and President Obama's voters. Therefore, anything against those two will create a scism to have another Dukakis(who was one of the most liberal liberals of all time, and look what it got him?)

It ain't like ANY republican/tea/libertarian/3rdpartyite would vote for her.

So be careful if one is truly a fan of Elizabeth Warren to tear HER party down.
She would only be able to win with those votes.
Or else Jeb will be 45.

see the conundrum?

BTW, see 42. I read on another post you like baseball. Might be the best baseball movie ever.

[2naSalit]

53. I'll tell ya

I always vote albeit whilst holding my nose. So I have no choice in who will be elected either way and the only puke who is up for election in 2014 is the illustrious and totally corrupt Max Baucus (Tester isn't much better, well give him time, he's only in his second term and is, therefore, in training) and some repugnican shill is in the House and he just got there, don't see anyone running against him yet but you can rest assured that there won't be a democrat winning in this state for a seat in the House. We only get one House member due to our low population and I would rather not see the population grow just to remedy that situation at the present time. It's bad enough that our two Senator-shills are pushing for the Keystone XL pipeline, more coal extraction and are completely averse to protecting any of the wildlife species in our state.

Yeah, I'm going to vote even though it doesn't really matter if I did or not. My alleged representatives have no interest in representing me because I'm not a gazillionaire paying for their election expenses... but they sure do make a big stink about whether I pay my $315.00 in income tax.

[Demo_Chris]

60. If the democratic party doesn't check Obama then I am done with them

I will vote local issues and candidates I believe in, but I will be through working to elect Democrats simply to elect Democrats. And in any case, I think I am finished voting for the 'lesser evil' regardless. I worked to help elect the guy spearheading the charge to destroy social security, the guy who rammed through insurance mandates, the guy who believes he has the right to kill Americans when convenient.

I didn't support these positions and issues, but I voted for the guy who does, which means it is on me. Never again.

[MattBaggins]

61. I am a going to vote for THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH guy

[WilliamPitt]

67. That would be very stupid.

I like my congressional representatives very much and will vote for them again in '14, thank you very much.