We need a break from OWS vs. OWS threads.

[randome]

I am requesting that we stop posting -and contributing to- threads about OWS that don't contain news or substantially new information. Threads pop up like mushrooms after a Spring rain and if people are willing to change their minds on any aspect of OWS, it is a rare occurrence.

Obviously I don't have the power to censor DU. Even if I was the Grand Poubah of DU, I would not try to censor anyone. So I'm asking all of us to use self-control and avoid starting threads that offer no new information.

DU is better than what we have seen on this subject. Or at least, I would like to believe that.

I will stop participating in those kind of threads from now on, regardless of how this suggestion is received by DUers. I know some of you will be disappointed because, after all, I am always right.



Cheers.

[unionworks]

1. Nope

Not gonna stop posting Occupy threads or contributing to them. Dream on. And the day D.U. starts censoring is the day I go elsewhere.

[randome]

4. Which is why I said DU should not be censored.

Wow.

[Ichingcarpenter]

2. We need to ignore your posts

since you are wrong most of the time, your arguments don't stand up to examination, be it ows, pot or anything.

I did a search


'WE' HAVE SPOKEN.......LOL

[randome]

3. Ouch!

So much for the spirit of rational discourse!

[JHB]

8. Didn't you just say you would stop participating in these kinds of threads?

I remind you, this thread qualifies for the category of "these kinds of thread".

No disrespect meant, I'm just here for the forehead slap.

[randome]

11. Doh!

[2pooped2pop]

35. yep, what he said.

It's useless to try to explain things to those who are so totally against it. Let's ignore this guy and the other couple of anti Occupiers that jump on every single Occupy thread. Now has the nerve to try to stop occupy threads. Why if I din't know better...

[Spazito]

5. Who is "we"?

If "we" equals you then just use the 'trash thread' feature and voila the you that is "we" will get a break. Simple, yes?

[randome]

6. I don't hide threads and I don't put anyone on Ignore.

I already said I will not contribute to threads that don't contain new information. I'm only suggesting that others might find that a good idea, as well.

[Spazito]

9. I am fine with the threads...

sometimes I post in them, sometimes I don't. New info or rehashing, they are always interesting to read. I am glad you clarified the "we" wasn't meant to include anyone else but you, this is good.

[2pooped2pop]

38. no, but we sure as hell are glad that you've

made that commitment.

[NorthCarolina]

7. Curious, a 'Democrat' that objects to OWS threads.

Has the party really moved that far right?

[randome]

10. I don't object to OWS threads.

If you read what I wrote, you'd see I'm lamenting the fact that 'information null' threads keep springing up that serve only to get us shouting at one another, figuratively speaking.

I'm suggesting we stop deliberately provoking one another.

[woo me with science]

13. Yup, this isn't really about OWS.

Note, throughout these threads and others, the very strong and predictable overlap between disparagement of OWS and defense of indefinite detention, military expansion, austerity budgets, free trade agreements, TSA groping, and other Third Way/neoDemocratic policies.

This is all part of the push to align DU3 with the corporate faction of the party rather than small "d" democratic principles.

[randome]

16. You got all that from my small missive?

Incredible.

[woo me with science]

18. Nope, I made it very clear in my post

that I am referencing patterns across threads.

[NorthCarolina]

17. Why would DU want to align themselves with the smallest

segment of the Democratic Party? That makes no sense for a site that relies on web traffic, and besides there are a slew of cable 'news' channels that already occupy that spot.

[woo me with science]

22. My post references

patterns in posting that are quite clear.

I don't think I volunteered any guesses about the motives of DU, the site.

[NorthCarolina]

29. I re-read your post

and you did not indicate DU "the site". As for the posting patterns of the resident conservadems, well that seems to be SOP for the right, whether the GOP right or the Democratic right, doesn't matter as they both operate the same way. Infiltration, message over saturation, you're either for us or against us, and we're the real Democrats because we support our Democratic President 100% regardless, or perhaps because of, of the rightward bent of his actions. Sorry for the confusion on my part...was only on my first cup of coffee.

[woo me with science]

31. No problem.

Cheers.

[L0oniX]

57. +1

[2pooped2pop]

39. He doesn't object to the threads

He objects to OWS period. Read his posts.

[kenfrequed]

12. Good

I believe a number of your responses are continually critical of OWS. I will not stop posting in favor of them, giving money to them, and joining them in the streets when my work schedule allows.

I think it is foolishness to try to squelch one of the few potentially populist movements that we have managed to capture some level of attention with. A movement that exists to continually remind Americans of the disparity of wealth and the abuses of the bank. And a movement whose issues the majority of Americans agree with. OWS' issues are Democratic issues and to continually attempt to demean their efforts and then after having spent so long doing so to argue that we should in the name of some kind of politeness to have all of us agree to cease speaking of them is very revealing to me.

[randome]

14. I'm not asking you to forgo your opinion.

Nor am I asking that of anyone else.

I'm only suggesting that we stop starting thread after thread that offer no information and with the intent of deliberately provoking others.

It's a suggestion.

[kenfrequed]

19. considering...

That the overwhelming majority of the provacation posts regarding OWS comes from its detractors am I to assume that your original post is an indication that you are going to consider discontinuing contributing to this?

[randome]

23. Yes, I will not contribute to posts regarding OWS -or start new ones- that are 'information null'.

I believe I myself started only one a couple of months ago.

[2pooped2pop]

42. then, there's this one. n/t

[Owlet]

24. Your suggestion is far too reasonable and rationale

to have any chance of support.

[2pooped2pop]

47. You are right

It will not have support. Not because it is reasonable or rational. To ask others to quit posting on a topic that one keeps posting against themselves is a little selfish. There are many many of us that love Occupy and will post on it, news or not news. To ask us not to because one doens't like Occupy is, well ...._________fill in the blank here.

Any may stop the arguing by not answering the posts.

[randome]

50. Um, 'selfish'?

I said I would stop posting on 'information null' threads, too. I was only suggesting that others might find that a good idea, as well.

[2pooped2pop]

41. yep, what he said. n/t

[randome]

20. Sorry. There is another definition.

It may depend on how you access the dictionary. The primary definition is when you do a Google image search and find random anime images in the results.

Was not meaning to be offensive. Poor attempt at humor, perhaps, especially since the definition you provided is listed as #1. It wasn't #1 when I saw it.

I'll remove the reference from my post. Again, sorry if I offended anyone.

[redqueen]

27. No offense taken...

I was just genuinely curious. Thanks very very much for your consideration.

[quinnox]

21. Nah, those threads are fun

And speaking as a Liberal Democrat, the OWS thing is one of the most interesting and exciting social movements around.

I want to hear more about OWS and its doings, whatever they may be.

I think people who dislike OWS should check out Free Republic sometime and read what they think about it, and then ponder if they want to be on the same side as those idiots on this issue.

[woo me with science]

25. OWS is the best hope we have for real change in this country right now.

Of course it should be front and center here. and on any political board where people care about taking back our government from the one percent.

[randome]

26. I am not disagreeing with you about that.

'Front and center' does not mean we should start new threads solely for the purpose of provoking others. I am only suggesting that we exercise some self-restraint and post threads that actually contain information.

[woo me with science]

28. Then I suggest you self-delete this one. nt

[randome]

30. Yeah, I guess that would follow, wouldn't it?

Okay, I will stop posting on information null threads about OWS AFTER this one!

[Bluenorthwest]

32. Those threads are great as they show so much of the character of most DUers

When losing an argument, many will call for a time out, a retreat, a truce. It is nothing new, not uncommon at all.
So, you know.....as I see it, the Pro Occupy posts are ALL informational. The detractors jumped the shark some days ago.

[quinnox]

34. "The detractors jumped the shark some days ago."

Yes, that sums it up nicely.

I enjoy watching the detractors pretend they are really "concerned" about how OWS is "hurting" the left, when they couldn't be more transparent. I mean, they seem transparent to me anyway.

[randome]

40. So you insist on seeing this as some sort of competition.

With a winning side and a losing side. I'm only suggesting that we stop trying to provoke one another and focus on threads that contain actual information, not just a 'my side is right and yours is wrong!' reflex.

It's only a suggestion.

[99Forever]

33. As long as the detractors insist on ..

.. posting trash talk about OWS, We of the 99% will stand in defense when it happens. Sorry if that somehow offends you, but quite frankly any one person's feelings really pale in eyes of the importance of this Movement. If you don't care to discuss The Movement or stand up for your fellow Citizen, that is certainly your right. Quite simply, don't open the threads on the subject to begin with.

Problem solved and you won't be accused of trying to censor the rest of us.

[randome]

36. Why would you think I am suggesting censorship?

I am suggesting that we ALL refrain from posting 'information null' threads about OWS. That includes those who want to proclaim its merits and those who find fault with it.

But by all means, stand by your convictions and say what you want.

It's only a suggestion that we stop deliberately provoking each other.

[cstern]

44. Provoking?

Talking about the merits of OWS doesn't sound like provocation to me.

[randome]

58. I see your point.

But there are quite a few 'in your face' threads on the subject of OWS -both pro and con- that are only designed to start arguments.

I'm suggesting that we all pile on only when there is a thread that has information in it, not simply someone's opinion repeated for the Nth time.

It's just a suggestion.

[99Forever]

48. Try reading for comprehension...

.. instead of looking for a pissing match, would you please? Here's is my exact quote "..and you won't be accused of trying to censor the rest of us." If you have any further question about my feeling as to your "suggestion," reread my previous post.

[2pooped2pop]

53. There are no Null threads

when it comes to Occupy. Not for those of us that support the only chance in hell of making changes.

[JackRiddler]

37. Spoken as one of the worst offenders in anti-OWS smear propaganda.

Perhaps having realized the pointlessness, you now urge the overwhelming support for OWS here to just go away!

[randome]

43. You're still playing the 'gotcha!' game, aren't you?

I'm taking what I think is the high road here and suggesting that we ALL stop trying to provoke one another. Both those who see the merits of OWS and those who don't.

[JackRiddler]

52. Don't project so much. No one's ever had an interest in provoking you.

You have shown yourself easily provoked by any news of this growing popular movement for economic and social justice, which you smear and attack and hope simply disappears. I commend your plans to take a break from your daily smear efforts.

[2pooped2pop]

54. It may be what YOU Think

is the high road but suggesting people stop posting about something you don't like is NOT the high road. Now you can take the high road by quit your constant posting of bullshit about OWS to try to stir shit up. Try that high road.

[randome]

56. I already said I would stop posting on 'information null' threads.

That has nothing to do with one's opinions. I'm not trying to 'trick' you in any way.

[whatchamacallit]

59. Wtf is an "information null" thread?

If you're talking about shit like OWS committed suicide, talk to your buddies.

[randome]

62. Not my buddies.

And yes, I am talking about threads like that one. As well as 'in your face' threads that offer no new information, just 'OWS is Great!'

It's only my suggestion that we focus on threads that contain substantially new information instead of looking for ways to provoke one another. That's what I'm going to do regardless of who agrees or disagrees with me.

Clearly, the chances of changing minds on this subject are few so maybe we should remember that we still have much in common.

[whatchamacallit]

63. Link?

I must have missed the 'OWS is Great' threads.

[Quantess]

45. Have you seen the little garbage can icon? "Trash thread".

There's a hint.

If I had a dollar for every subject on DU I got tired of seeing, I could fill the gas tank in a large SUV.

[randome]

49. Point taken.

Thought my OP might help us all take a deep breath. Maybe I was wrong.

[LanternWaste]

46. I am confident everyone will allow your suggestion all the merit it warrants.

I am confident everyone will allow your suggestion all the merit it actually warrants.

[quinnox]

51. It doesn't look like his suggestion is being received with

much if any agreement. I hope the OP can get over it, if we totally ignore his profound "advice" regarding this.

I, for one, get a kick out of the OPs that get torn to shreds that criticize OWS.

[randome]

55. Oh, I'll be 'over' it.

Because I'm not trying to be right or wrong, I'm only suggesting we stop provoking one another and remember that we still have much in common.

Perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part.

[L0oniX]

60. Well I for one am sick and tired of all the damned Kim Kardashian threads.

[a simple pattern]

61. I know, it's like 1% of the people do 99% of the typing in those threads :(

It's just not fair

[Warren Stupidity]

64. Unrec.

[applegrove]

65. OWS is a feeling about freedom from the control of the 1%. Repeatedly reminding people

of this and getting them to participate in the 99% is a great thing. Especially since OWS seems to have gotten into trouble because of black bloc recently. We need to support our brothers and sisters out there to make OWS work like it did in Oct & Nov. We need to add our voices.

If people are tired of the posts they can easily skip over them.

Come on! This black bloc discussion going on now is an important one.

[pinboy3niner]

66. As requested...an OWS thread that is not 'information null':

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002276193

But OWS is still GREAT!!!

[sarcasmo]

67. I miss the unrec button.