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Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
Sun May 5, 2013, 02:24 AM May 2013

Question regarding garment factories

I don't know if GD is the place for this question. I was discussing the recent garment factory collapse and the factory fire prior to this. Most people think it's horrific. However, one woman said that these workers should just be thankful because they would otherwise be jobless if we didn't need them to make cheap clothes. What do you say to that?

I almost think she means well - perhaps she is unaware of the conditions of most of these factories. I pointed out that many of these cities likely had their own businesses serving their own people, or perhaps just farms growing food for locals, before international companies showed up to take their land and built factories. After that, what choice do they have but to work there. Am I wrong?

It just reminds me of the argument that slavery was okay because at least they had a roof over their head. As if the slaves came willingly in the first place. And if having roofs over their heads was so wonderful, why did so many risk their lives running away via the Underground Railroad?

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Question regarding garment factories (Original Post) Tree-Hugger May 2013 OP
My reply to you is we can't fix the world newmember May 2013 #1
Well... politicat May 2013 #2
The problem with the third world... jmowreader May 2013 #3
people who say things like that are the "undecided voters" in every election JI7 May 2013 #4
I'm reminded of the defense of slavery. SheilaT May 2013 #5
 

newmember

(805 posts)
1. My reply to you is we can't fix the world
Sun May 5, 2013, 02:35 AM
May 2013

Wish we could but we can't
Nothing is stopping an entrepreneur from opening a clothing factory here.

Hire workers and pay them a good wage , If enough people buy the clothes he could open another
and another.

Some people look for bargains and cheap clothes because they want to and some people look for them because they
can't afford $75 jeans and shirts.

I know I can't



politicat

(9,808 posts)
2. Well...
Sun May 5, 2013, 03:09 AM
May 2013

Garment workers are often employed on piecework schemes -- so the worker must sew 800 seams per day (or more, depending) to hit their target pay. Much room for abuse there.

Industrial machines can do a lot of damage to the body, especially the hands. Most modern garment factories are located in places that don't have anything like Workers' Comp.

The ergonomics of sewing pretty much guarantee both repetitive stress and positional injuries. US garment workers often had neck and back problems.

The fabric creates significant dust, which causes white lung (like black lung for miners) which causes emphysema, asthma, and COPD eventually. Also, dusty environments are likely to burn easily because the dust can cause a fireball.

Historically, the textile workers of the Industrial Revolution (which is my field of historical research) were grateful for the job only in the sense that factory work was better than the alternative (starvation or the workhouse.) In the first half of the IR (to 1825), most textile workers had spent their childhood and early adulthood in some sort of service or agricultural work with textile work as a seasonal or supplemental source of income. Stockingers (stocking makers) are a good example -- they were independent, having contracted to produce $N stockings each week. The jobbers provided the thread and sometimes the frames (some stockings were knitted on a machine), either on a lend basis or occasionally on a rent to own basis. The stockingers set their own hours and it was primarily a cottage industry. It was sort of like our present "envelope stuffing" work at home schemes, except it actually worked.

However, with the rise of steam powered machinery, the end of the Napoleonic Wars, enclosure that forced people off the land and the rising price of grain due to the Corn Laws, the formerly cottage industry of textile production concentrated in factories and labor was desperate (Agriculture being in the shift from communal subsistence to cash crop), displaced (most factory workers started life in a rural region and were forced off the land) and plentiful (there was a major baby boom beginning in 1775 that lasted and echoed through the end of the Victorian era). All of which depressed wages. Also recall that in this era, unions were not only discouraged, but illegal, and union organizing was a hanging offense. Participating in industrial action could get one transported.

By the later IR, most factory workers were trapped in the poverty cycle, having spent their childhoods on the factory floors as water boys or spindle girls or button sewers or makers, and so knew nothing else.

This is primarily from the English perspective, but since most of Europe was in massive war or reconstruction from 1780 to 1850, and since the US textile industry was essentially the same (except for the enclosure and the possibility of transportation) it's the research standard. The major difference between Manchester in 1830 and Bangledesh in 2013 is the climate and mechanization. Otherwise, the economic factors are remarkably parallel.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
3. The problem with the third world...
Sun May 5, 2013, 05:29 AM
May 2013

Industrial regulation is do whatever you want, in way too many places. We will probably find out the steel in the building was too thin, but he got away with it until the law of gravity demonstrated why steel has to be thick.

It wouldn't have cost much to build right...certainly not as much as it cost to build wrong.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
5. I'm reminded of the defense of slavery.
Sun May 5, 2013, 11:35 AM
May 2013

Slaves had it good, the defense went, because they were taken care of from cradle to grave.

Lucky, lucky people, those slaves.

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