Police Chief Calls Out Armed Protest Threat In Washington DC

[Tx4obama]

Police Chief Calls Out Armed Protest Threat In Washington DC

A July 4 march encourages gun advocates to carry loaded rifles into Washington, DC and knowingly break the law. Although described as a nonviolent “act of civil obedience,” organizer Adam Kokesh implied a threat of violence if “the government chooses to make it violent.” He encourages participants to peacefully submit to law enforcers but underlines that point with, “We are truly saying in the SUBTLEST way possible that we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees.”

Since Friday, more than 2,000 people have RSVPed to the march to “put the government on notice.”

In a local news channel interview pointed out by Politico, Metropolitan Police Department Chief Cathy Lanier explained that this is an open disregard for DC law:

When you cross with firearms and you’re not in compliance with the law now you’re talking about a criminal offense and there’s going to be some action by police. Obviously there has been no permit filed by the organizer and we’ve not made contact with the organizer yet. But we will, and we’ll make sure they understand that if they want to pass through the District of Columbia with loaded firearms as long as they are in compliance with the firearms laws for transportation of firearms to the District, we’re all for it. But passing into the District of Columbia with firearms is a violation of the law and we’ll have to treat it as such.

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Full article here: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/08/1980841/police-open-carry-washington-march/

[NightWatcher]

1. Please fuck with DC Metro and the Capitol Police

Those rednecks won't know what hit em. They'll be zip tied on the curb pissing their pants before they can say yee haw.

I got to train and observe their tactical squads and they are as impressive as any law enforcement group in the land.

I will gleefully be camped in my recliner watching CNN on that day.

[RKP5637]

2. +++ 1,000 +++ n/t

[0rganism]

8. I thought zip ties and curb dropping were only for hippies

Godspeed, DC police, prove me wrong.

[SummerSnow]

11. Dont forget the popcorn

[Initech]

14. I'll be sure to bring plenty of butter!

[Aerows]

63. Bring plenty of it

because I like mine well-doused with butter

[brooklynite]

26. So, an overt police response to a protest is okay if you don't like the point of the protest?

If you don't want a heavy-handed approach to the next OCCUPY protest, you can't wish the same on others.

[NightWatcher]

35. No, bringing guns to DC is illegal and these idiot nuts want to flex muscle

If they think they're going to flex their guns and stare down everyone there, they've another thing coming.

Did occupiers boast about flaunting a public safety law?

You totally missed the point of my post. This is not some righteous civil disobedience, so please don't equivocate them with legitimate causes. They are scared bigots who think a black president is coming for their precious guns.

[geek tragedy]

40. Overt police responses to criminal conduct are okay, yes? nt

[cui bono]

44. It's okay to arrest anyone engaging in civil disobedience. That's kind of the point of it.

However, protesters should be met with appropriate tactics, which I'm sure you remember the Occupy protesters were largely not. They were treated to a lot of undeserved brutality. Pepper sprayed for standing in place. Sucker punched. I'm sure you saw it.

Also, Occupy protests weren't armed and weren't bragging about being armed. Where as here we have a bunch of, let's face it, wackos, marching in with loaded weapons where it is illegal to do so. That is hardly the makings of what one would think of as a peaceful protest. And there's also the protest leader saying: “We are truly saying in the SUBTLEST way possible that we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees.” Sounds to me like they are planning on resisting arrest, arrest that we all know is immenent given that they are committing a criminal act, not a simple protest. And with loaded weapons. It's going to be interesting...

[freshwest]

61. An overt police presence is to be expected and planned for.

Even if you have a permit, there's never a short supply of assholery from any large gathering. Jesus the Meek is not out marching against himself. Those who are truly peaceful know how to behave.

Two thousand Libertarian douchebags with loaded rifles shaking their junk at law enforcement is pure dumbfuckery and not about peace or justice. They're playing 'I'm gonna do this just because I wanna and you can't make me, nyah, nyah.'

Everyone in Earth School will learn and those who insist on being petulant brats will be schooled, like it or not. The world is not kindergarten, and guns are not a game. Bringing the name of Occupy into this display of Libertarian tripe is a bit odd. All protests are not equal.

[Cha]

38. Well, that's good to know, NightWatcher!

[freshwest]

60. That was my experience in the early seventies. And they're more modern now.

[muntrv]

3. Please start shit with the police. The police will show you teabaggers how to shoot.

[Hoyt]

6. That's low, the teabaggers have spent a lot of time and money training for

city combat, clearing rooms, defending oneself by shooting someone at 1000 yards. Don't offend the unregulated milita.

[freshwest]

13. Aww, really. Do I have to be nice?

[Hoyt]

15. That's them. Good find. Look like some of my neighbors.

[freshwest]

17. If you could see inside their homes, you'd understand the justice of their cause:

[sheshe2]

32. Pasty looking white guys protecting their homes and their rights!

What do you think would happen if an African American stood there like that? Yup...you are correct!

Hi, freshwest~

[freshwest]

33. Have you ever noticed that these guys all have the same look on their faces?

Their faces got stuck like this guy:



The 'Deer in the Headlights Look.'

[sheshe2]

34. Yup.

I posted that on another thread. Doe, Headlights, Blinded!

They make me sick freshwest, they are trying to bring this Country down, with their hate and fear.

It makes me weep.

[freshwest]

37. I know. They have met their match though, with this lady police chief.

I wonder how they will spin their march following that. They can't conceal or open carry in D.C. which defeats their idea of playing soldier in public. Here's a preview:

[sheshe2]

39. Well done, freshwest!

[intheflow]

57. Although that character on the right actually turned out to be pretty bad-ass.

I doubt most of these teabaggers could endure what the plot did to him without pissing their pants and crying for mama.

[freshwest]

62. The baggers are brats presuming on the maturity of others to pretend to be tough.

They expect to be given a free pass in their 'boys will be boys' game and it won't play well in Washington, D.C. The citizens and those who work there do not have time for this shit. They have nothing of value to prove with this crude political stunt, which is typical Libertarian bullshit, trying to bully everyone. They're already announced their 'victim card' if they don't get to break the law.

[Mike Daniels]

66. He was a bad-ass in the end but...

Remember, he was basically a low-rent all-be-it elected security guard with some real anger issues through most of the season. The character definitely carried a George Zimmerman cop-"wanna be" vibe through most of his appearance.

[RKP5637]

54. And what pisses me off, they think 'they,' are the

'real' Americans, the patriots, the ones defending America from 'them.' In my book, they're a bunch of loud mouthed assholes with weapons in their hands they think are their cocks! A bunch of losers.

[Pelican]

56. Like these guys?

"It was May 2, 1967, and the Black Panthers' invasion of the California statehouse launched the modern gun-rights movement.

http://mije.org/richardprince/nra-was-inspired-black-panthers

[Hoyt]

71. Those guys had reason to arm up. Today's white gunners, not so much other

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than for unfounded paranoia and bigotry.

But thanks for your post, it's only been posted here about 50 times by bigoted gun nuts.

[freshwest]

75. LOL.

[Kingofalldems]

78. Are you a republican?

[Pelican]

79. No.. are you?

I thought it was interesting because the very thing described had already happened.

Feel free to ignore it

[RKP5637]

18. I saw some of those guys at the grocery store today in

the bakery picking up dozens of donuts!

[Hoyt]

21. Shooting all day burns a lot of calories.

[freshwest]

41. It won't work, though. I've been to D.C. You can't distract those police with pastry. Just sayin'

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[RKP5637]

53. LOL! I grew up there! n/t

[freshwest]

59. That was supposed to be 'can't' not 'can.' I was there for a demonstation against Nixon's bombing

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escalation on Cambodia so it wasn't exactly the friendliest day with the police forces.

There were a hundred times more of us than these rifle toting fools as we went to Capitol to hear the Democratic speakers. Of course, we were unarmed because we were there for peace, and trained in non-violence techniques to handle anything that would occur, because things happen.

There were all kinds of police, (if IIRC, seven different kinds) on our tails the entire way until we dispersed to go home. As professional and they and the mounted police were, their presence was as strong and unavoidable as I imagine these yokels will learn there.

Tear gas was employed when some loud mouths went after the police on the fringe of the crowd. We weren't there for a pissing contest, but the police didn't put up with any crap. Those characters had bragged the night before how many times they'd been arrested and been bailed by their parents, and we avoided them like the plague. No one was going to bail us out and we were thousands of miles away from home and had jobs.

LOL at the unedited post, I often drop negatives in my sentences as I rush. It changes the meaning of the post. What I meant to say was that those cops won't be swayed by any shenanigans there.

[RKP5637]

72. Good for the edit feature! One word, all it takes

sometimes.

[freshwest]

73. I wouldn't have come back and caught it without your reply. Thanks for being nice about it..

[RKP5637]

74. You're one of the people, among many, that make DU a great

Place!

[freshwest]

76. Same to you!

[Hoyt]

4. Take names and put them on no gun list because they are irrational.

[freshwest]

68. If there was such a list, yeah:

[onehandle]

5. Please don't dissuade them.

I want to see them shit their pants, Ted Nugent style, when they are rounded up with REAL ARMS.

[freshwest]

64. Wait that would be a bit messy, don't you think?

[joesdaughter]

7. Enforce the laws

The NRA says there is no need to enact new gun legislation- just enforce the laws that are in place. So will the NRA support the arrests if the protestors violate D.C. laws?

[Control-Z]

9. Has the NRA made their statement yet?

They're usually so quick to jump in. In this case, are they for or against breaking the law?

[Stinky The Clown]

10. Chief Lanier is good people.

[KansDem]

12. Metropolitan Police Department Chief Cathy Lanier emphasizes compliance...

...and we’ll make sure they understand that if they want to pass through the District of Columbia with loaded firearms as long as they are in compliance with the firearms laws for transportation of firearms to the District, we’re all for it. But passing into the District of Columbia with firearms is a violation of the law and we’ll have to treat it as such.

Here are some DC gun laws the NRAers will have to obey:
*Magazine capacity restricted to 10
*Owner license required
*Concealed carry permits prohibited
*Open carry prohibited
*Possession of unregistered firearms prohibited for both residents and non-residents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_District_of_Columbia

About concealed carry: The District of Columbia does not permit the concealed carrying of firearms. Open carry is also prohibited. A lawsuit was filed on August 6, 2009, to compel the district to issue permits to carry weapons.

I hope the NRAers will read and understand these laws before making the journey...

[freshwest]

16. So the 300, er, 2,000 will get permits before the 4th?

Wolverines! Oh, different flick, never mind... Still, they shall remain legends in their own minds.

[KansDem]

19. Good question

July 4th is less than two months away.

[rightsideout]

29. They can bring their guns

But it looks like they have to leave them on the bus. LOL.

DC cops are mean. The three times I've been pulled over and the times I've had to deal with them when I organized events in DC, they weren't friendly to deal with.

I can't imagine what they'll be like dealing with derp heads with guns slung across their backs.

[cui bono]

45. Oh, I don't know...

might be more "fun" if they don't understand the laws. Let them get a nice surprise when they find themselves going to jail.

[kenny blankenship]

20. Anytime you break the law while armed

I don't think you get to claim a protective mantle of "non-violence" or "civil disobedience" anymore. Not that those are actually legal protections when you are breaking laws, but they are a claim on the moral high ground. By abjuring violence-even in the face of police violence- and protesting without bringing along any "self-defense" in the form of weapons, nonviolent protesters demonstrate that their political expression is not a danger to the community and that any use of violence to suppress it is illegitimate. Bring your gun with you while disobeying the law deliberately, and you are making a clear and unmistakable threat of violence to law enforcement. The community is quite reasonable in fearing for its safety if/when armed men start parading illegally.

[Hoyt]

22. Sounds like the kind of Supreme Court decision we need one more of.

+ A Bunch.

Violence, or threat of violence, is immoral, and likely a crime.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. I can see it now....

Most of these idiots want to be anonymous.

That 2000 will go down to half a bus load.

Fox "News" will claim it's 2,000,000.

[tblue]

31. They are first & foremost COWARDS

They don't want to confront anyone who is armed. They want to be the only ones with a gun. They are cowardly wimps who will wet their pants if confronted by an armed person, cop or otherwise.

I bet it will be a tiny handful of G-baggers.

[sheshe2]

24. They are a bunch of sniveling cowards.

They hide behind their guns and there asinine right to carry the biggest baddest ones they can find. Chicken hawks one and all. They'll run home to mama soon enough!

Do not tread on me? No do not tread on us! Our rights not yours!



Thanks, Tx.

[jeffrey_pdx]

25. I think this article sums up what they are all about really well... and inadvertantly so

http://photos.oregonlive.com/photo-essay/2013/05/trevor_leejack_francois_oregon.html

The line in the article that proves my point:

I feel powerful with my guns. My dad doesn’t like me keeping them in my room, but I can’t live without them. I feel lost when they are not with me. We live in a crazy world, and I guess the guns help me feel safe.

Nuff said.

[sheshe2]

27. Pot calling the the kettle black? Yup!

I think it’s important that people who are mentally unstable be kept away from guns, but sometimes you can’t control it, you know? No matter what the laws are, you just can’t control it.

They pictures alone scare the heck out of me!

Thanks jeffrey, and Welcome to DU.

[freshwest]

65. That is sad. Bet he keeps himself jacked up with paranoia inducing media all day and night.

He needs help, a gun won't take care of what's ailing him. If you cannot find peace and confidence within yourself and have to buy a thing to come close, you are in bondage. No wonder they use the word and express their desire to not be slaves so much, as they are already slaves to fear.

[CoffeeCat]

28. I can't believe these protesters would be *that* stupid.

Seriously. They think they're going to "put the government on notice" and they're going to do it by breaking the law and illegally carrying firearms?

This is scary, because these people are obviously too stupid to have any common sense or decency. And they'll have guns.

Aren't these the same people who throw the Constitution in our faces, whenever we so much as discuss rational gun-control measures or even background checks? Yet, they're willing to break laws?

Most of these yahoos are amped up on Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and other incendiary talk-show hosts who undoubtedly will be sitting comfortably behind their microphones, while their lemmings are out storming the castle.

This is some seriously messed up idiocy.

[Gravitycollapse]

30. I predict that no one will show up.

The laws in DC prohibit any form of carry that does not involve the firearm being unloaded and packed away.

So if these dumbasses want to march down the mall with a bunch of shouldered rifle cases and look like impotent dipshits, I hope they have fun.

But my gut is telling me that no one is going to show up. If any do, it will only be a handful.

[Mr. Evil]

36. Remember the movie "Sixth Sense"

I see dead people.

These lunatics (with loaded guns) actually believe they can go up against the local police, state police (except in DC), FBI, ATF, National Guard and even possibly the armed forces too, and win?!!! Wayne LaPierre, the gun industry and collaborating entities are all laughing all the way to the bank.

[Dash87]

42. They don't have the guts. The march will never happen. If it does, nobody will be armed.

[cui bono]

46. How would the DC police be breaking the law? n/t

[cui bono]

48. And some people say...

Perhaps you can look up the info and post back when you have some facts about it. Forgive my suspicions but it feels like you are just trying to muddy the waters here by throwing out speculation without facts to back it up.

[bluedigger]

49. Well, for one thing, they aren't traveling "through", but "to".

Their destination is DC. I think the "planned" duration of their visit would be irrelevant, and probably longer than they might anticipate, as well.

[TeamPooka]

52. welcome to DU!

enjoy your stay

[geek tragedy]

55. Enjoy your brief stay here.

And the answer is of course that they would need to have the guns in the trunk of a cae and locked for your argument to make sense.

[intheflow]

58. Oooooooooo! 2,000 of them?

That's like a tour bus load in DC! Nothing compared to the 250k-500k routinely rallied by the left for anti-war marches. Face it, teabaggers: you are a dying minority.

[freshwest]

69. Yup, having been in such crowds, I know that D.C. is ready for anything!

The teabaggers are only alive and in the majority on media. That is their alternative reality. It'll be interesting when their infomercial news universe and the reality of D.C. meet.

[Ikonoklast]

67. I wonder how many LEO's, local and federal, have agents that signed up?

There might end up being only a couple of dozen armed morons taking it to the gubbamint unknowingly surrounded by a couple of thousand three-letter agency folks.

[freshwest]

70. Wow, that's a sobering thought. And likely true.

[Nay]

77. That certainly could happen. DC Metro cops take it all pretty much seriously. When we were

there for the stop-the-Iraq-war march in 2003, there were cops everywhere. The march was extremely peaceful so the cops were enjoying themselves rather than acting all coppy, except for 2 cops in a car who pretty much nudged their way through the crowd with the bumper.

But these armed guys?? They better put contact phone numbers on their bodies with magic marker, because if they act stupid, it'll be lights out.

[mwrguy]

80. I want to see 10,000 marbles get dumped in their midst

[beevul]

81. Chief Lanier speaks with a forked tongue.

"But passing into the District of Columbia with firearms is a violation of the law and we’ll have to treat it as such."

"Passing into the District of Columbia with firearms", and possession of a 30 round magazine in DC are equally illegal, but some animals are more equal than others.

[jmowreader]

82. This march worries me

I think one of them will choose to "die on his feet" by shooting at a cop. At that point the cops will have absolutely no choice but to machinegun anyone holding a gun to keep a huge firefight from happening...and the Right will blame it on Obama even though he won't have had anything to do with it.