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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:53 AM May 2013

Rand Paul: Hillary Clinton ‘Should Never Hold High Office Again’

Rand Paul: Hillary Clinton ‘Should Never Hold High Office Again’

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) argued Friday that the Hillary Clinton's failure to send extra security to the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya ahead of last September's attacks make her unsuited to hold higher office.

"The new evidence we have today — and that continues to mount — suggests that at the very least, Mrs. Clinton should never hold high office again," Paul wrote in an op-ed for the Washington Times.

Paul likened the Benghazi incident to the Battle of Mogadishu in Somalia (aka Black Hawk Down), in which American soldiers were killed after then-Secretary of Defense Les Aspin denied requests for increased security. Aspin announced his resignation months later.

Aspin resigned over Black Hawk Down. The same precedent should have applied apply to Mrs. Clinton. To date, no one has ultimately taken responsibility for Benghazi.

My office is currently seeking out the witnesses and survivors of Benghazi to testify before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. To date, the Obama administration has refused to let them testify.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/rand-paul-hillary-clinton-should-never-hold-high

Dear Useless Republicans, please STFU on Benghazi
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022815985

Disappointing those who 'stand with Rand'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022742805


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Rand Paul: Hillary Clinton ‘Should Never Hold High Office Again’ (Original Post) ProSense May 2013 OP
Randroid should never have held high office to begin with. In the name of AquaBuddha, Erose999 May 2013 #1
Good luck with that Renew Deal May 2013 #2
Reptile Thinks He Will Run For President On This, Ma'am... The Magistrate May 2013 #3
Bake: Rand Paul should never hold ANY office again. Bake May 2013 #4
Seconded by another appalled Kentuckian. JohnnyLib2 May 2013 #16
Rand Paul should never hold any office, ever. Fuck him! Initech May 2013 #5
to responders of the OP (not the OP)-Either support Hillary Clinton or support Rand Paul. graham4anything May 2013 #6
trust you to write a post scolding people for something they haven't done. disgusting bullshit. cali May 2013 #8
Yeah, adhominem me and not back YOUR SOS in YOUR party (if the democratic party is yours). graham4anything May 2013 #13
Nobody is going to join your 100% club dude. tridim May 2013 #11
Right. bravenak May 2013 #34
I don't believe I'm required to support either of them. n/t hughee99 May 2013 #24
Come Labor Day. 2016 you are according to the rules. graham4anything May 2013 #26
Why? I don't support repukes and Clinton won't still be running for anything. hughee99 May 2013 #28
Why won't see be running? graham4anything May 2013 #33
People come out to vote for candidates they are excited about. hughee99 May 2013 #38
What you talkin bout Willis? bravenak May 2013 #32
"Hillary,whether you like her or not IS THE FUTURE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY" NCTraveler May 2013 #46
Sorry, Loyalty Oaths are soooo 1950's. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #47
Spoken like the coward he is, Tanuki May 2013 #7
Hillary Clinton can easily slap the boy upside his head, take his lunch money, and send him on his BlueCaliDem May 2013 #9
Sure wish some others here would understand the last paragraph graham4anything May 2013 #30
Yep. Randy is the shining thing they point at while they slip in another Bush BlueCaliDem May 2013 #41
fair enough. shrub and cheney resigned over 9/11. unblock May 2013 #10
I liked his dad. Rand is a prick. Buzz Clik May 2013 #12
You liked his dad Ron Paul? that is NOT something for a democratic party board graham4anything May 2013 #15
I was not referring to his politics. (There is no Prick Party) Buzz Clik May 2013 #18
Ron Paul is a John Birch Society/David Duke supporter and has NO place in the Dem.Party. graham4anything May 2013 #19
Why are you lecturing me? Buzz Clik May 2013 #22
What?You said you supported Ron Paul. No democratic person should support a racist like Paul graham4anything May 2013 #25
Holy shit. What a remarkable temper tantrum. Would you mind reading what I said? Buzz Clik May 2013 #31
Yeah, we already know that. graham4anything May 2013 #37
Ron Paul was a racist in 1988, just as he is now. Ikonoklast May 2013 #39
It's good to hear you have good intuition. Buzz Clik May 2013 #42
But Paul to my knowledge was never a true libertarian Blue_Tires May 2013 #35
He seems like a frustrated person. hrmjustin May 2013 #14
Hillary terrifies him. JoePhilly May 2013 #17
Hillary terrifies all of the haters. Because she is unstoppable and in general to Rand & Ron- graham4anything May 2013 #21
So that's what this was all about. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #20
Buy that boy some diapers cause he's pissing his pants at the thought of HRC2016. n/t Little Star May 2013 #23
LOL! The FAIL-pot calling the FAIL-kettle FAIL. Poll_Blind May 2013 #27
All those home perms have fried Rand Paul's brain Blue Owl May 2013 #29
This man is not worth our time. bravenak May 2013 #36
Fuck off, Rand. Zoeisright May 2013 #40
They plan to use Benghazi as an albatross around Hillary's neck.... MzShellG May 2013 #43
She scares the crap out of them. City Lights May 2013 #44
Repubicans have blown their wad too early on this one AgingAmerican May 2013 #45

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
1. Randroid should never have held high office to begin with. In the name of AquaBuddha,
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:55 AM
May 2013

fuck that shiteating slug, and the headstomping goons who voted for him.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
4. Bake: Rand Paul should never hold ANY office again.
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:55 AM
May 2013

I"m from KY so I'm eminently qualified to say that. He's my -- gag -- Senator.

Bake

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
6. to responders of the OP (not the OP)-Either support Hillary Clinton or support Rand Paul.
Fri May 10, 2013, 11:59 AM
May 2013

to the responders of the OP here
either support HIllary or support Rand Paul

calling rand names, saying he should or shouldn't

either one has the back of the Democratic party, or one doesn't

Hillary,whether you like her or not IS THE FUTURE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

should Rand and the repubs take her down, the republican party will win all three branches

It's time to put up and either back her or you are 100% saying you support what will happen afterward.

Any fracture leads to other.

BTW progressives-do you think a republican run senate will keep Elizabeth Warren in her position of importance and do anything?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. trust you to write a post scolding people for something they haven't done. disgusting bullshit.
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:01 PM
May 2013

furthermore, you don't have a crystal ball, dearie so you don't fucking know if she's going to run. grab a clue. just a tiny one. just once.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
13. Yeah, adhominem me and not back YOUR SOS in YOUR party (if the democratic party is yours).
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:10 PM
May 2013

Fun and games is over
actions=consequences

people attempting to take down the party are votes for the republican party

one can empower them or stick together

2014 and 2016 will be dependent on it

Maybe if President Obama and Hillary are taken down, every single Hillary and Obama supporter should act immature like their haters do.But of course, 95% of the party(all the Hillary and Obama supporters, actually care and are not attempting the burn it down).

How would a 100% republican world suit you?

Fracutre plays into their hands.

It should be election season NOW not only after labor Day.

What were the people of Kentucky thinking?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
26. Come Labor Day. 2016 you are according to the rules.
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:43 PM
May 2013

I don't whine, but I wish it were election season 24/7/365

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
28. Why? I don't support repukes and Clinton won't still be running for anything.
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:45 PM
May 2013

I'm not required to support Dems that didn't run at all or didn't make it out of the primaries.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
33. Why won't see be running?
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:52 PM
May 2013

are those willing to roll the dice and think 80% of the party are going to wait 20 hours to vote on election day if they are slapped down yet again prior?

I will vote for anyone with the democratic name on it.
However, are you willing to bet enough others will?

It's not like Bernie Sanders would get more than a few thousand votes out of 320 million voters.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
38. People come out to vote for candidates they are excited about.
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:06 PM
May 2013

Not nearly enough people are excited about Clinton. She's been in DC for more than 20 years, and after the next 2+ years of her playing coy about whether she'll run or not, people aren't going to be MORE excited about their potential 69 year old presidential candidate.

I could EASILY see her "will she or won't she come back" turn into the Brett Favre saga where after a month or two people of media attention, people just start saying "who cares".

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
32. What you talkin bout Willis?
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:51 PM
May 2013

If she is the best candidate the majority of the party will support her.
To suggest she is the future?
Maybe,maybe not,who's to say?
We're not prescient.
We ain't gotta tow the line till after primaries.
I want a selection of good candidates to choose from.
Better democrats.
We should try that.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
46. "Hillary,whether you like her or not IS THE FUTURE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY"
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:29 PM
May 2013

I love Hillary and I know this is not accurate. She is not the future of the party. She has been a dedicated fighter for the party for a long time. It is now time for a new crop. I think the younger generation of Democrats will be much less hawkish. They will also be much more progressive when it comes to human rights. Though I do think she takes a better stand there than most.

The one thing that could get me to support her if she made it out of the primary is the fact that we could possibly see the most divisive battles between the republicans and Democrats in history. Yes, that is something I actually want. More progressive positions win out in the end.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
9. Hillary Clinton can easily slap the boy upside his head, take his lunch money, and send him on his
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:05 PM
May 2013

way with a swift boot to his behind - all metaphorically speaking, of course. This little man is way out of his league here.

If it wasn't for corporate money and gullible-hate-black-people-that's-why-they-don't-vote-"Democrat" Kentuckians, Randy wouldn't have even come close to being a U.S. Senator. I guess it's easy-breezy to get elected in a Red welfare state where corporations control the messaging because, voila, there that little man sits - in the United States Senate, for chrissakes.

But fact remains, he doesn't have the brains or intellect to go toe-to-toe with Hillary Clinton and he certainly can't come anywhere near the Major Leagues. He's only useful to treasonous U.S. corporations who will use him as a decoy while they try and slip another Bush on this country. So the little pansy should stfu. He doesn't have the credibility to decide who should or who shouldn't hold higher office.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
30. Sure wish some others here would understand the last paragraph
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:48 PM
May 2013

It isn't about Rand, even if he don't know it.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
41. Yep. Randy is the shining thing they point at while they slip in another Bush
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:12 PM
May 2013

or corporate shill through the primaries and into the general election. I always thought Liberals and Progressives understood that the moneyed Powers-That-Be don't want Randy. They know he's dumb as a box of bricks, but so are his followers. They want a corporate manchurian candidate - like Reagan, GWBush, and Mittney. GHWBush didn't play ball and he was booted out pretty quickly, serving only one term. I have no love for Poppy Bush, but he *did* govern much differently than his simple son.

The "divide and conquer" strategy hasn't changed for the elite: it is still a very successful strategy, hence Nader who was funded in both 2000 and 2004 by GOP donators. For all his railing against being bought by corporations, Nader never excused accepting money from those same sources, saying that he has to accept the money in order to run until he can (he can?) pass election finance reform. Yeah, right. As if the president has that power.

That's why Nader has always been a fake to me. He's smart enough to know that the president can only get laws passed IF and WHEN Congress agrees to, and he's never held elective office. Why would any American want to waste their vote on him? Congress would make a lame-duck president out of Nader had he somehow found himself in the WH. Look at the power they wield on President Obama. If ever we needed proof that Congress is the most powerful branch of our government, President Obama's presidency proves it beyond any doubt.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
15. You liked his dad Ron Paul? that is NOT something for a democratic party board
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:11 PM
May 2013

no, a clock is not always right twice a day and Ron Paul was 100% a republican his entire life.

NEVER a democratic party person. NEVER

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
18. I was not referring to his politics. (There is no Prick Party)
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:22 PM
May 2013

The Libertarian Party embraces some ideals we like (no war, legalize marijuana, for instance), but they tend to a lot of loony crap that the extreme right finds awesome, like no restrictions on guns, no taxes, no regulations.

You can be a Libertarian and not a toad personally. Ron Paul strikes me as a nice person. Rand Paul is a prick.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
19. Ron Paul is a John Birch Society/David Duke supporter and has NO place in the Dem.Party.
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:29 PM
May 2013

80% of the democratic support is from minorities, women and Ron Paul is against power for any of those 80%.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
22. Why are you lecturing me?
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:31 PM
May 2013

Back the hell off, okay?

I never suggested he run for VP with Hillary in 2016.

Jesus H.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
25. What?You said you supported Ron Paul. No democratic person should support a racist like Paul
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:41 PM
May 2013

who is talking about Ron being anything but a KKK without a sheet like his son is.

George Wallace was a democrat in name and a racist in trade.An incredibly evil despicable
person who fractured the democratic party.

Racists and homophobes and sexists have no place in the 2013 world.

Only reason ron paul /rand paul wants drugs legalized is to get Democratic support and fracture the dems to support republicans and his lifestyle.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
31. Holy shit. What a remarkable temper tantrum. Would you mind reading what I said?
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:49 PM
May 2013

I said I like him as a person, not as a politician. Yeah, I've met him. Yes, I talked to him for a while. He was genuinely nice.

I'm sorry he's a flashpoint for you and the mention of his name sends you into a high orbit, but that's your problem, not mine.

Here's another log for your emotionally bonfire: I voted for him in 1988.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
37. Yeah, we already know that.
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:57 PM
May 2013

My aunt, who passed away this year was NOT generally nice.(though I was on her good list).

However, she was far more qualified to be president or anything else than either Rand or Ron, and didn't take to fools like them nicely.

(Of course, she was forced out of Austria by someone quite like the Ron Paul that most people never saw because he hid it well nationally.)

Google Jorg Haider and see the politically and personal clone of Rand Paul.
Not just in looks, but in reason for being.

You are free to vote for anyone you choose.

But then don't complain about anything Bush41 did from 1989-1993.
Because as you said, you voted for Ron Paul.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
39. Ron Paul was a racist in 1988, just as he is now.
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:09 PM
May 2013

And confirms what many here have suspected for years.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
35. But Paul to my knowledge was never a true libertarian
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:54 PM
May 2013

just a no-name inconsequential republican from some podunk congressional district, with *some* libertarian ideas, a bunch of meaningless symbolic votes, and a history of racist rhetoric...

Of course in the twilight of his career he suddenly embraces reefer decriminalization and pulling out of the Middle East so College Dems and internet activists make him an overnight rock star...

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
21. Hillary terrifies all of the haters. Because she is unstoppable and in general to Rand & Ron-
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:30 PM
May 2013

to Rand and Ron, she is also a woman, and a woman in power terrorizes them

same as any minority does.

When only 30% of a state votes, they get the extremists.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
36. This man is not worth our time.
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:56 PM
May 2013

I'll never forget him on Rachel Maddow being an idiot. Or how he likes to go to historically back colleges to lecture black students about civil rights .
Hillary would make him cry in a debate .

MzShellG

(1,047 posts)
43. They plan to use Benghazi as an albatross around Hillary's neck....
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:20 PM
May 2013

It will be an issue in 2016. Question is, will it work?

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
44. She scares the crap out of them.
Fri May 10, 2013, 01:23 PM
May 2013

That's why they're bending over backwards to try and destroy her credibility.

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