Went and got myself arrested today...

[Gravitycollapse]

Not even for anything cool.

An undercover grey suburban paced me at 62 mph (which I personally believe is horse shit and will be fighting) and pulled me over when the speed limit changed from 45 to 40 so he could give me a criminal citation.

Then he tried to argue that he could throw me in jail for failing to stop because I didn't immediately pull over on the road and that I should be grateful that he's "letting me off the hook." He then proceeded to give me a field sobriety test and a 5 minute lecture on how I ride a bike that is too fast. I ride a 900 cc "Universal Japanese Motorcycle." Maybe next time I'll show him how fast it is when I decide that stopping for his fatass isn't necessary.


I try to balance my anti-establishment angst with a healthy dose of respect for ethical police officers. But this one really chaps my fucking hide.

[LAGC]

1. Speed limits are kind of stupid anyway, except for school zones.

Montana got by with no speed limits on their highways for quite some time, although troopers could still use discretion if someone was driving "too fast for the conditions" like when it was dark or raining/snowing. Their vehicle accident rate wasn't that much higher than it is today -- they only relented after the Feds threatened to cut off highway funding if they didn't adopt.

Truth is, everyone has different skill levels and a one-size-fits-all speed limit is pretty lame. If you're a safe driver and don't tailgate or cut people off, you can handle driving at faster speeds. And they purposefully set the speed limits so low in many areas that they know people are going to violate.

Just gives the cops more excuses to pull you over and get all up in your business. After all, who needs probable cause when everyone is naturally going 10mph over the limit anyway?

[Gravitycollapse]

2. It was 12:30 AM on a deserted street. I was speeding. But I was not being unsafe.

[LAGC]

3. Yeah, I don't see the big deal if the roads are empty.

You aren't a danger to anyone but possibly yourself.

I try not to speed when driving long distances at night though, just because you can't see potential obstacles in the road as easily... its funner to drive cross-country during the daylight anyhow, so you can enjoy the scenery, even if it is whizzing by you at 90mph.

[CBGLuthier]

126. whyn should the city or county have to cover the cost

of scraping some dumbasses off the pavement because they think they are fucking evil knieval (bad reference but I don't follow the world of motoracers)? I guess they should let idiots drive way too fast and just bill their estates.

[Wounded Bear]

5. There's your problem....

At that time, cops don't really care about speeding. They are looking for reasons to pull people over and, as you say, administer field sobriety tests.

If you've heard the statistics, a large percentage of drivers at that time of morning have been drinking.

Ever notice that when celebs get arrested for DUI, they're very seldom pulled over for weaving or driving erratically? It's usually for something like speeding, rolling stop at a sign, taillight out or other minor equipment violation. Once they get you stopped, they sniff your breath and there you go.

Oh, and if you show too much attitude, they'll find something to ticket/arrest you for.

[Brickbat]

10. Speeding at 12:30 is a pretty good reason to stop and check for sobriety.

[Jenoch]

34. You also were not arrested.

[Gravitycollapse]

39. Actually, I was.

[Jenoch]

41. You did not describe an arrest in your OP,

you described a traffic citation. Most arrests made on a traffic stop end up with someone in custody and brought in. It appears to me that you got a speeding ticket. You failed to pull over as soon as the cop wished and he gave you some shit for that.

[Gravitycollapse]

44. The officer placed me under arrest.

What I described was what happened following that.

[Gravitycollapse]

74. The officer literally placed me under arrest. How else can I explain that

So that you understand?

[Gravitycollapse]

88. Yes, the officer literally placed me under arrest.

[freshwest]

98. Handcuffs, ride in a patrol car, fingerprinted, mug shots, the whole works?

That's what most people call an arrest.

If not, you were only stopped and ticketed, so why use the term arrested?

[darkangel218]

99. Its a criminal charge, arrested and released on summon.

Its considered an arrest.

I thought it was a simple citation, but he was speeding 20+ which is a misdemeanor and requires for the defendant to appear in court. It was an arrest.

[Gravitycollapse]

100. Why use the term? Because I was arrested. Why aren't you getting this?

[Jenoch]

102. So you got cuffed, mirandized,

and taken in for speeding? Your reads like you were doing 62 in a 45 zone. You said you did not pull over soon enough from the cop's point of view. Did you get a resisting arrest or disorderly in addition to the speeding ticket?

[Gravitycollapse]

103. You do not need to be handcuffed or mirandized to be arrested.

I was subject to neither.

[Jenoch]

104. Did you get anyrhing other than

a speeding ticket? Did you get a ride in the back of the squad?

[Gravitycollapse]

105. Nope. Just the tickets and a strongly worded warning to slow down.

[darkangel218]

108. Make sure you do go to court and be on time, otherwise they can issue you a warrant

[Gravitycollapse]

112. I will be there early. I am out of town on on the original date.

I'm going to go in a request and earlier appearance.

[Ghost in the Machine]

147. You were temporarily detained, not arrested. That's the common terminology, and is commonly done...

"Here, have a seat in my car while I run your license and check for unpaid tickets/outstanding warrants".

Both of my kids were driving at 9 & 10 years old, they learned on our property, driving my old 4 wheel drive around the property (I have 15 acres). Sometimes they would "run up to grandma's" (we live way out in the sticks and my folks live on the same road, 4 houses down from me).

My daughter couldn't wait to turn 16 and go get her license, but my son never had an interest in getting his. He still drove around the property, but wasn't allowed to leave "our hill". He rode with his sister, or had friends come pick him up.

To make a long story short, when he was 18, he stayed the night with some friends. He called me the next morning and asked me to meet him at the bank with his check. When I met him, he was driving his friends vehicle, with his friend in the passenger seat. My exact words to him were "boy, you better get out from behind that wheel, or you're gonna get pulled over and get your ass locked up". Six hours later, I get a call, telling me my son was in jail. I asked "what for?" "Driving without a license", was the answer. I called the jail, confirmed he was in there, what the charges were, and how much the bond was. They said "oh, he's getting out now, no bond, just being released with a citation to appear in court. If he shows up at court with a valid license, the case will be dropped". That was the "incentive" he needed. I took him down to the Drivers License Office the next day, he took the test, got his license, went to court, and the charges were dropped.

There's your difference between "arrested" and "detained".

Peace,

Ghost

[darkangel218]

106. He was not given a "speeding ticket", that you have options to whether or not you take it to trial or

just pay it.

He was given a SUMMON type of citation to appear in court, with no options and was released on his own recognizance. Its considered an arrest under the law, even if the offender wasn't booked and taken to jail.

[jberryhill]

127. No, you were "detained" not "arrested"

To be arrested is to be physically taken into custody.

To be stopped for questioning or citation is to be detained, not arrested.

Words have meanings. Learn them.

[Animal Chin]

131. +1

detained.

Although it's a matter of state law (I don't know what state you're in), and from a paperwork perspective may be considered an "arrest," in most states and under federal law, a traffic citation is a detention, not an arrest.

Even if it technically characterized as an arrest in your state, I don't think it meets the general understanding of what the word means such that (a) you would have to answer "yes" to a "have you ever been arrested" question, or (b) you would characterize it in the title of a thread as "I just got arrested."

Arrest typically means "placed into the custody of the state." It would involve being transported to the police station and booked into jail.

You got a speeding ticket, you were not arrested.

[Gravitycollapse]

134. The irony here is basically burning a whole in my screen

Being placed under arrest has nothing to do with physical restraints.

But you are right. Words do matter. Heed your own advice and learn them.

[jberryhill]

135. .

Yes, everyone else is wrong, and you are right!

[Gravitycollapse]

138. Officer: "I am placing you under arrest."

Therefore I was under arrest and finger printed, given a summons and released.

[jberryhill]

139. Officer: "I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy"

Therefore the officer was a Yankee Doodle Dandy.

I guess it is a good thing he didn't say you were guilty of a roster of crimes.

[Gravitycollapse]

140. Even in the face of insurmountable evidence, you refuse to admit reality.

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Sigh

[jberryhill]

143. Evidence?

I see no evidence. I see words on a screen.

[Gravitycollapse]

144. So basically you are just being a troll.

I'm asking you nicely to please go somewhere else. I didn't write this OP for people to accuse me of lying.

[bobclark86]

97. Yup, stupid...

And the reduction in deaths from vehicle accidents happened because of what, people wishing them away?

Deaths in 1973 (the year the 55 mph law was passed): 54,052
Deaths in 2011: 32,367

Here's some more info for you...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_accidents#Motor_vehicle_speed

Speeding kills.

[LAGC]

117. A lot of that reduction in deaths is due to new safety features in newer cars.

There were no air-bags back in 1973, for instance. That alone made many serious accidents fatal.

From your own link:

That there is limited evidence that suggests that lower speed limits result in lower speeds on a system wide basis.

When you lower the speed limit, people still drive just as fast as they did before. It just gives the cops blanket excuse to randomly pull people over on a whim, and generate lots of money for local government coffers.

[Dash87]

132. That's true in rural areas.

Here many people would die because everything is packed together. Roads are very busy, windy at times, and dangerous.

Everybody tailgates here too. Worst drivers in the US (MA, NY, or CT are a toss-up for that honor, though).

[another_liberal]

4. Why were you in such a hurry.

There are reasons for driving fast when necessary, I know, but just casually speeding twenty miles an hour over the limit for no particular reason . . .? After all, the limit must have been posted, and you even knew what it was.

[Marrah_G]

6. What were you arrested for?

All I see there is a speeding ticket.

[madokie]

7. Yup

the only thing I see is a little less than honest writing

[Gravitycollapse]

16. Criminal speeding. More than 20 over.

[Marrah_G]

22. Ahhh- I see.

You should put that in your OP. Now it makes sense as to why you were ticked that he waited for the speed limit to go down before pulling you over.

[Gravitycollapse]

26. Yeah sorry. I just realized that might be confusing.

[rustydog]

84. So, let me get this correct...It is the damned officers fault

you were doing 20 miles per hour over the posted speed limit?
It is the officers fault he waited until the POSTED limit was lower so he could arrest you for reckless?
It is not your fault you were actually SPEEDING?
I did not know speed limits were only suggestions. Speeding is ok if there was no other traffic on the road....
Poor baby.

[Marrah_G]

85. I think you meant to reply to the post above mine

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

21. In a technical sense, anytime you are pulled over you are detained

....and could argue, under arrest.

Apparently we're supposed to be impressed or something.

[Gravitycollapse]

23. Detained is not the same as being under arrest.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

27. If a cop pulls you over, what's going to happen if you say....

....in the middle of his spiel, "I'm not listening to this shit" and drive away....

It's an incredibly slippery slope from being stopped to getting arrested.

[Gravitycollapse]

30. That would be some other criminal offense.

Like ignoring the orders of a police officer or something along those lines.

[Earth_First]

8. I love "fuck the police" threads when the OP was clearly in the wrong. n/t

[DrDan]

36. +1 - probably will feel different tomorrow . . . at least that is my experience

right after the ticket, it is always the officer's fault, but after a little reflection . . . .

best thing is to just admit to the speeding, pay the fine and chalk it up

[Posteritatis]

49. While the OP was definitely violating the law...

... If what he says about the cop deliberately waiting for him to cross into a slower speed zone so he could arrest him is true, that's a dick move on the cop's part as well. He should be preventing illegal activity, not waiting for it to get, well, illegaler so he can get the person in more trouble.

There's dumb to be had for all parties.

[freshwest]

101. Paced at 62, when the limit changed from 45 to 40 is not entrapment.

I remember in defensive driving listening to people who had their own interpretation of the speed limit, 'It's okay to go 5 or 10 miles over the posted limit.' I'd heard that one, too.

The instructor informed us, 'The speed limit is what it says it is. That's the limit, not 5 or 10 miles over.'

So at any rate, our OP writer was going 12 above, for an unknown number of miles, to 17 miles above. Speeding.

Not going to get out of this one that easily, since he was paced with the car, not just observed as going faster with a speed gun or markers, most likely. That kind of evidence works better.

Regarding stopping something illegal, criminals tend to speed away from the scene of the crime, thus speeding could be considered suspicious. If a rapist, burglar or whatever was speeding down the road, would you see it as hasseling someone or preventing an escape?

A number of people have been caught doing exactly that, fleeing the scene of a crime that hadn't made the police dispatch yet.

[jberryhill]

128. No

The officer may have been giving him a chance to conform to the speed limit upon passing a sign indicating the change.

[Brickbat]

9. So...if you didn't get arrested for anything cool, is that cooler than getting arrested, but not for

anything cool?

[Iggo]

11. So, you got arrested for....

[FSogol]

12. So, an ethical police officer is one that lets you break the law?

[Gravitycollapse]

15. No, an ethical officer would not try to intentionally give me...

A criminal speeding ticket by waiting until I passed into another speed limit.

I accept the fact that I was speeding. I told him that right away. I'm not in the business of trying to cheat the police. But I expect to be treated with the same level of respect.

[MineralMan]

17. Were you still speeding when the limit changed?

If so, no excuse. Maybe the cop was giving you an opportunity to slow down on your own when the limit changed. I don't know, but you were speeding and got a ticket. Now you're whining about getting a ticket. Sorry, but I'm unmoved.

[Gravitycollapse]

20. Of course. I told him I was speeding.

I also told him, on actual honesty, that I thought the speed limit was 45.

I expected a ticket. I did not expect a criminal citation.

[MineralMan]

24. Dude. You were speeding. You got a ticket.

What do you want me to say. I don't want tickets, and have never had one. I've been driving for almost 50 years. I don't speed. I don't run stop signs or lights. I drive according to the law. No tickets, no hassles. And I've been on two wheels a lot during those years. Didn't speed on my bikes, either.

Don't want tickets? Don't speed.

No sympathy.

[Gravitycollapse]

29. Everyone can't be as perfect as you I guess.

Apologies, sire.

[MineralMan]

31. Frankly, I don't care what you do. Just don't whine when

you get a ticket for deliberately speeding. Speed all you want, but remember that motorcycles can get you in trouble if you ignore common sense.

You needn't apologize to me.

[Gravitycollapse]

32. And I already said that I was obviously speeding...

And was expecting a ticket. But I did not know he would write me a criminal citation because I hadn't known we had just passed into a 40 mph zone until he told me he was arresting me. The difference between those two tickets is pretty vast.

[newmember]

47. If you weren't speeding you would have seen the speed limit sign

" I hadn't known we had just passed into a 40 mph zone until he told me he was arresting me"

[TroglodyteScholar]

68. Yup

It is the responsibility of the driver to pay attention to signage.

[pokerfan]

141. Was there no sign?

"I hadn't known we had just passed into a 40 mph zone..."

Because if there's no sign, you should at least be able to get the misdemeanor charge dropped.

[Dash87]

133. Police rule #1 - Say nothing.

You torpedoed yourself by admitting to speeding. Police officers don't bow to honesty - they want you to admit to speeding (like most people do) so that they can safely give you a ticket without you having recourse to fight it.

Next time, say you don't know how fast you were going. Say nothing about the speed limit - they don't care (and you're admitting to breaking the law).

Rule #2 - remain calm and don't fight. Your main objective is to get the officer to go away and only give you a warning.

Hope this helps for next time.

[FSogol]

25. LOL at your notion of ethics. You sped, got caught.

Pay the penalty & SU or don't speed.

[NightWatcher]

13. You're so cool.

You got a ticket for riding 20 over the speed limit. How dare that cop stop you.

And btw. Isn't getting arrested when you go to jail in cuffs? You were issued a citation (paper) for a moving violation.

[Gravitycollapse]

28. Being arrested means the officer places you under arrest.

You do not need to go to jail to be arrested.

[NightWatcher]

35. You are confusing Detention and Arrest

With an Arrest comes an arraignment, booking, and pending charges.

Detention or detainment is when law enforcement prevents you from leaving.

We're you arraigned and booked or given a traffic citation and court date?

[Gravitycollapse]

38. False. You can be arrested and released without ever even being handcuffed.

Any time an officer stops you, you are being detained. But an officer can arrest you in the event that criminal offenses are suspected.

[NightWatcher]

42. Were you finger printed, booked, and mirandized?

Or were you not allowed to leave while he wrote you a ticket?

[Gravitycollapse]

45. I was finger printed and booked.

I'd show you my index finger but I washed the ink off.

I wasn't mirandized. Likely because I was never taken to jail.

[NightWatcher]

48. Story keeps changing. Were you taken from the scene to a police station?

If not, you weren't arrested. Listen, I don't care anymore. You were speeding, got a ticket, thought it would be fun to rip on a cop and brag about it on the Internet.

Go brag to your friends on Facebook, but don't expect sympathy for something that never happened.

[Gravitycollapse]

59. Sigh. Story has never changed.

I simply didn't provide every detail of the arrest process.

[newmember]

70. So your bike was impounded and towed or they left it on the side of the road ?

[Gravitycollapse]

76. No, the arresting officer released me after everything was signed and fingerprinted.

[darkangel218]

71. How and where were you "fingerprinted and booked" if you weren't taken to jail?

Did they have one of those mobile booking units standing by?? I'm sorry but i don't get it. A cop on the side of the road wont fingerprint you.

[newmember]

72. lol

[Gravitycollapse]

78. They can and they did.

They have ink pads just for such purposes. Criminal offenses that require arrests.

[darkangel218]

81. In what state are you?

[newmember]

86. Never heard of an arresting officer doing ink pad fingerprints out of his car

Maybe it's done in his state , we need to know what state he's from

[darkangel218]

95. Aparently is being done in Arizona

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[newmember]

119. That's an electronic one , I know about those but the OP said it was an ink pad

And he had to wipe the ink off his fingers

[darkangel218]

120. Maybe they use both.

[Gravitycollapse]

91. Arizona

[wercal]

53. Good Grief

Were you arrested or not?

Getting pulled over for speeding isn't being arrested.

Is this your first ticket?

[Gravitycollapse]

60. No it is not my first ticket.

And like I've already said plenty of times to several people, the officer placed me under arrest. There is a difference between being detained and being arrested. And I fully understand that difference.

[wercal]

67. Look, when your post says you got arrested,

It implies that you...well...got arrested.

You know, put in the back of the police car, handcuffed, told what you were being charged with, etc.

You still haven't stated clearly what the cop did to you.

Talked real mean to you?

Wrote you a ticket?

Cuffed you?

Put you in the car?

If all that happened was he lectured you while he wrote you a ticket on the side of the road...you got a ticket. And I assume the 'criminal ticket' is a wreckless driving citation, along with a court summons. Still, that's just getting a ticket.

[Gravitycollapse]

73. The point of the OP was to point out how being arrested for a ticket was lame.

Hence, you have demonstrated exactly that. I was arrested and for a stupid reason.

[oldhippie]

82. I call BS ....

From everything you have said, I don't think you were arrested.

Too bad you didn't get to spend the night in jail. I don't like people speeding on their Japanese ninja bikes in my neighborhood. Should have had your bike towed away.

[Gravitycollapse]

87. Call it whatever you'd like. I was arrested.

Also I don't ride a Ninja. Only one Ninja model would be a UJM. And mine is a Honda, not a Kawasaki.

[sweetapogee]

75. my question is

since you have an arrest record and a criminal background are you still able to legally purchase more firearms?

[Gravitycollapse]

92. Why would I be purchasing firearms?

[sweetapogee]

125. not saying you would want to

but if you could legally do so it would point out the flaws in the current laws that are supposed to limit purchases to only law abiding citizens that can pass NICS background checks to purchase and own firearms.

[darkangel218]

63. Did the cop say you were "under arrest"? did he/she read your miranda rights?

if he just cuffed you for a while you were only detained.

[Gravitycollapse]

79. He said I was under arrest.

[darkangel218]

80. Well, if he said that than you were under arrest i guess.

[MineralMan]

14. OK. You were speeding and got busted.

It happens. Pay the fine and take your points. If you try to fight it, you'll lose.

[A HERETIC I AM]

37. Not neccesarily

It's quite possible to fight it and win, but there is also the possibility of traffic school in many states which can keep the points off and make the ticket go away.

I'm sure you know this.

Just paying it and taking it, so to speak, is not always the best course.

[Egalitarian Thug]

56. Thankfully, you don't know what you're talking about.

6-0 beating the BS moving violations.

2 in GA (One so egregious the judge actually dismissed with prejudice and admonished the CA for wasting the court's time)
1 in AZ
3 in CA

Cops don't know the laws nearly as much as the TV wants you to believe.

[Ohio Joe]

18. You are going to try and run from the cops on a bike next time...

I am certain that will work out well for you.

[Gravitycollapse]

19. That was less a realistic threat and more a rhetorical exercise.

Obviously, I would never run from the police.

[Electric Monk]

40. It'd be fairly easy to outrun an SUV on a sport bike. His radio and the other police? Not so much.

[Bay Boy]

89. I'm not sure how obvious it to us...

...when your major gripe is that the big bad policeman 'let' you break the law.
"But officer you should have pulled me over before I started to really speed"

[FreeState]

33. Some smart ass did that here

He sped off and was going so fast he went over the edge of bridge on an off ramp instantly killing himself and his sister who was on the back of his bike.

[LadyHawkAZ]

43. Er... slow down?

Maybe save the high-speed rides for roads with higher speed limits? Just my thoughts.

[LeftInTX]

46. So you intend to lead cops on a high speed chase the next time?

Putting lives in danger?

You were already speeding in the 45 mph zone. Maybe the cop was watching you and maybe giving you the benefit of the doubt, which they sometimes do. Or maybe he didn't notice you then, but when the limit is reduced to 40 mph, he notices you, then pulls you over. He may have pulled you over in the 40 mph zone because there have been a history of accidents in the vicinity of that zone. Or it may mean that he waited for the 40 mph zone to increase the penalty.

[Egalitarian Thug]

50. The difference between doing the job and being a dick. Sorry about the impending

crapfest you're going to have to deal with now.

[ManiacJoe]

51. It is always good to know the laws you like to break.

In WA state, 15 over the limit will get you are charge of "reckless driving".

[bayareamike]

52. It probably varies by state,

but as far as I know you cannot be charged for evading an unmarked police car. The code, at least in CA, states that the car must be clearly marked as a police vehicle in order for the officer to charge you with failing to stop/evasion. As far as that goes, the officer was just giving you shit.

EDIT: Here's CVC 2800.1 on this issue

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d02/vc2800_1.htm

[wercal]

54. Interesting

We have alot of what the police call 'ghost cars'.

They are actually marked police cars...but the word 'Police' is in a faint gray that has very little contrast with the grayish white vehicle. Maybe the markings are meant to satisfy this requirement...even though they are hard to see.

[bayareamike]

55. Damn, that's sort of messed up.

Are you in CA? What part? I imagine that they display the word 'police' just enough so that they are in compliance with law.

[wercal]

69. I'm in Topeka, KS

Here's an article with a photo:

http://cjonline.com/news/local/2010-08-14/ghost_police_cars_haunt_speeders

If you look real closely at the white car in the photo, you can make out the word 'Police'.

[bayareamike]

57. Just to be clear

The officer was completely justified in issuing a citation, and undercover police officers have the authority to do so, it's simply the misdemeanor and/or felony evasion that cannot be tacked on. But wercal's example of his or her local department displaying the markings just enough to satisfy the CVC is interesting.

[warrprayer]

58. no words necessary

[CanSocDem]

61. Sounds familiar.

When I was driving highway transport, cops like this were everywhere. Like a motorcyclist, truck drivers were easy pickins'. Stopping us had a higher than usual chance of finding some cockamamie infraction.

It was all about not getting pulled over as opposed to not breaking the law. A week or two of creative logbook entries and chronic urinalysis deficiencies could garner hundreds of dollars fines and "detention", not to mention customer and company reprisals.

To keep everything together, it was important to avoid getting pulled over or called into a weigh scale for further "inspection". Knowing they couldn't stop every truck, all we could do was attempt to not stand out. It made us better drivers.

.

[kestrel91316]

64. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Speeding is dangerous to you AND everyone around you.

As somebody who gets nearly killed by careless speeders on a regular basis, you won't get any sympathy from me.

[Lex]

65. Glad no one got hurt or killed. nt

[apples and oranges]

66. Now begins the battle of removing your photo from all the online mugshot rackets

Good luck

[Initech]

83. I came dangerously close to getting arrested before New Year's.

I was on my way to my friends birthday and I stopped at a stop light and my car just barely inched over the line at the intersection. Cops pull me over, immediately assumed I was drunk - which I hadn't been drinking, I was on my way to my friends' birthday party. They get me out of the car and do all the sobriety tests, and sure enough I passed them all, and they let me go, but next time I might not be so lucky.

[OwnedByCats]

90. I still don't get the "arrested" part.

Unless you were handcuffed while being told you were under arrest for "such and such" and read your Miranda rights, put in the back of a police car, driven to the station, photographed for a mug shot, fingerprinted, booked and thrown in a cell and got bailed out, not sure you were "arrested" as we know it to be in common terms. If you mean by getting arrested in the way we mean "pulled over", ok whatever.

You were speeding, and I think Mineral Man has a good point about the officer may have been giving you a chance to slow down for that speed limit change, it was a possibility I had thought of myself - but I don't know if the cop was being extra crafty there or not - however no matter how you slice it, you were speeding. If you had not been speeding, this never would have happened, right? The cops are on extra lookout during that time of night because of people who drink and drive, guess it's a popular time of night for that - at least it seems to be when you hear about people killing themselves and others because they were drunk. I wouldn't want to attract the attention of cops late at night like that because that's when they are extra vigilant.

Besides, try not to speed because at the very least it could kill you. They are not exactly the most safe things to be speeding on.

[Gravitycollapse]

93. You don't have to go to jail to be arrested.

You don't even need to be handcuffed. Being arrested is merely a phase of detention beyond that of being detained.

[OwnedByCats]

121. Ok

Just be careful when driving, k?

[TnDem]

94. He wasn't

He was not arrested...The OP is either confused or not being truthful.

He already admitted that NO Miranda warnings were given....No Miranda=No arrest.

PERIOD...

He was detained.

[darkangel218]

96. I thought the same but yes it can be an arrest and release on summon.

[OwnedByCats]

122. Ok

I gotcha

[NYC_SKP]

107. The way this thread is going, you might want to invoke your Fifth Amendment right to remain silent!

So odd, doesn't happen here but I think I get it.

Arrested and printed and released, all at the roadside, in Arizona.

I hope that isn't done in too many other states.

Sorry for the pain in the ass that it's all turned out to be!

[Gravitycollapse]

111. I mean, I guess it is better than being "taken downtown."

But yes I think I might invoke the fifth.

[darkangel218]

113. Yah sorry about the thread. I guess the last thing you needed was a pile up.

Just make sure you show up to Court, youll be ok.

[graham4anything]

109. NO, one can't speed and commit anarchy.It's dark, what if someone was crossing.

Shouldn't this be in the lounge and not in General Discussion

BTW, the speed limit is for your own safety, but more important, for the safety of others.

I applaud the officer for doing their job well.

[darkangel218]

110. Have you never sped? never ever in your life?

[Travis_0004]

116. I speed

But if I get caught, I'll pay the ticket and move on.

I'm not going to create a thread to bitch about it.

[darkangel218]

118. People "bitch" on here about all sort of things.

And getting arrested is pretty big fuking deal for someone to deal with.

Welcome to DU and thanks for your "kindness"

[OwnedByCats]

123. LOL

Graham never does anything wrong! lol

Perfect little angel

[brewens]

114. Take a hike Kasich! You blew your cover! LOL n/t

[Electric Monk]

115. Next time, take the extra effort and make it for doing something cool instead, ok? :)

[B Calm]

124. You did a lot of things wrong!

First thing you have to learn is that you have to admit you were speeding. Second thing is never admit that you were, which you have done. Third thing is all cops, fat or skinny, short or tall, are on an ego trip! Say things to the cop that will build up their ego even more. Fourth thing is to have a bullshit story ready explaining why you were going a little faster than you should have.

[BainsBane]

137. Never argue with a cop

Always be polite and deferential. Arguing does NO good. If you have a legitimate grievance, dispute the ticket in court but not with the cop on the side of the road.

[B Calm]

146. Excellent point too. Arguing

is the most sure way of getting the egotistic cop pissed off at you.

As an old retired truck driver I had gotten my share of tickets before I learned.

[Soundman]

129. Not an arrest by common definition.

Here is a quick Arizona link I found. http://dmcantor.com/case-stages/adult-felony-case-stages/arrest-complaint-indictment/ you are being a little dishonest and misleading.

[snooper2]

130. This thread kind of sucks

So I'll add a cool ass video at least

[MineralMan]

136. Wow! Crazy stuff!

Shifter Karts Rule!

[LittleBlue]

142. You should have cried, it works

Works for my sister every time. I'm not kidding, she speeds constantly and has been pulled over a dozen+ times. Every time she cries and has never once gotten a ticket for a moving violation.

[whistler162]

145. Well he didn't call to have someone

come and pick you up for a 90 day psych eval! Which is surprising and ethical!