hey guys

[boston bean]

No matter how much you like em, or they turn you on, or you like big ones, small one, medium ones... your opinion means shit.. Why? cause they aint yours.

[pintobean]

1. I know

[hlthe2b]

3. Must say given the old adage about opinions....

I was a little "afeared" of what graphic you were going to post.


Great old cars. Those shows are popular on the western slope (Colorado)... I've come across a couple when traveling and couldn't resist a few minutes to peruse.

[boston bean]

4. Cars are a possession.

Thanks for helping to make the point.

[pintobean]

9. So is my body

I have no control over who looks at it, or what their opinions are. If I choose to display it, I'm inviting people to have an opinion.

"They aint yours" applies to you, as well.

[boston bean]

10. Their opinion means shit. It aint their car.

never mind comparing a womens breast to cars... I'll leave that for those who could psychoanalyze further.

[pintobean]

14. As does your opinion

if it aint your possession.

[boston bean]

18. When it comes to my boobs, I don't give a shit what others think.

No women should.

[11 Bravo]

24. And to demonstrate the limitless depths of your don't give a shitedness ...

you have decided to post and offer repeated responses about how much you just don't ... give a shit?

Knowing that my wife enjoys the fact that I love her breasts, I shared your post with her. She particularly appreciated the part where you informed her what "no woman should" do. I can't repeat her exact response, but it did contain the phrases "opinionated", "self-important", "jackass", and a couple of other words that might get this post hidden.

[boston bean]

25. I hope you love your wife, not just her breasts. nt

Oh and P.S. do you go around telling all the other guys how you love your wife's breasts, and discuss why you do, ie, big, little, average, symmetrical... If so, how does she feel about that?

[11 Bravo]

27. I absolutely adore her. She is the best thing that ever happened to me, and ...

I can't imagine life without her by my side.

[redqueen]

32. bodies != things

If I choose to display it, I'm inviting people to have an opinion.

NO! Women out in public without covering up in a burqa ARE NOT inviting ANYONE to do JACK SHIT.

[randome]

2. Can't say I think of them much at all.

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[boston bean]

5. When you grow tomatoes or buy tomatoes

they are your possession.

Thanks for helping to make the point.

[In_The_Wind]

6. It should be that way with anything we can grow.

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[lunatica]

23. .

[In_The_Wind]

75. Put a drug dealer out of business!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018382040#post7

[galileoreloaded]

7. providing this is carryover from the breast cancer brouhaha,

men define whats attractive to men. ownership has never been in question, and is pretty irrelevant.

its a hard pill to swallow.

[boston bean]

8. Their opinion means shit.

It's a personal opinion, means nothing in the realm of things. Here in this thread you see their comparison to cars and tomatoes, for god sakes... Tell me again, how ownership doesn't come into play? At the very least you could agree that objectification comes into play, no?

[galileoreloaded]

12. thats your opinion too

you sound pretty bitter. i always wonder what experiences happen to people that push them that way. i often wish that i could meet people on DU so i could get a better understanding of their position. body language means a lot.

[boston bean]

16. Oh, the bitter woman comments

And you then go on to try to determine what might make me feel some way to try and dismiss what I say..

Like was that it was because I raped, molested, sexually assaulted, and that is why I would have such a view, in your dimwitted thought process.

You sound a little stupid.

[galileoreloaded]

21. its a funny thing when people only have a narrow

range of behaviors in which to act. they tend to just amplify the same behaviors that don't work hoping for a different result. this is a great example.

i was trying to figure out what motivated your opinion in an interest to really understand, but you just keep trying to amp up the shaming and belittling. thats fine, ill keep trying.

turns out shaming tactics are only guaranteed to work on the one that employs them. it has never worked on me, sorry

[boston bean]

22. My opinion is motivated

by the fact that men who voice their opinions about womens breasts is somehow very important, or means something to someone besides themselves, is shit.

[PeaceNikki]

33. Have you seen this?

http://jezebel.com/5967923/fuck-you-mras

[The Magistrate]

41. An Excellent And Accurate Rant, Ma'am

That site is well worth browsing through.

[PeaceNikki]

42. I am often reminded of it here on DU.

I love Jezebel.

[The Magistrate]

43. She Is Quite Right About the 'Poisoning' Effect These Wretches Have. Ma'am

My son had a custody matter ( which was resolved absolutely in his favor ), and it was amazing what sort of swill and vitriol came up early in searches for information and resources.

[MadrasT]

52. Excellent. Thanks for the link. n/t

[rrneck]

19. "It's a personal opinion, means nothing in the realm of things"

Interesting.

[galileoreloaded]

13. what a weird reply

women define whats attractive to women as well.

has nothing to do with me.

good grief.

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. A man defines what is attractive to HIM.

Stop trying to lump ALL men together and there won't be any arguments about stupid shit.

[boston bean]

20. A very astute person pointed this out to me one day:

The definition of men is plural of man. There isn't a qualifying number associated with it. Anywhere from 2 men to a billion men.

If a person was talking all men the word they would use is manKIND. That is defined as all men. Yes it can also include all women; but not always.

Humankind is the word to use when you are including all men and women.

Take you strawman (men) elsewhere, please.

[DanTex]

30. So, if a man posted an OP saying "hey women, stop being such narcissistic catty golddiggers"

would that be OK because maybe he was just talking about the women on "Real Housewives"?

[boston bean]

35. Are you serious?

a woman pointing out when men are being sexist (and men making them qualify they weren't talking about ALL men, controlling how speak about issues to derail serious conversations), is a bit different than using sexist stereotypes against women, no?

[DanTex]

40. Yes.

If your argument is that the word "men" doesn't mean "all men" but just "some men", then yes. If it's OK to post an OP lecturing "men" about their sexism, when the OP is really only targeted to some jackasses on twitter and others like them, then should it not be OK to post an OP lecturing "women" about their narcissism and golddigging? Because the women on "Real Housewives" are, in fact, narcissistic golddiggers, wouldn't you agree? I'm not talking about all women, only them.

My point is that if you had started your OP by saying "hey guys making sexist tweets about Angelina Jolie" this could have all been avoided.

[boston bean]

49. Listen if someone says something about women

and it doesn't pertain to me personally, I don't take it personally and ask them for clarification demanding they say they aren't talking about me.

if they are being sexist jack asses, well that's a different story.

[EOTE]

56. The OP is rather sexist.

I'd also be so bold to say that there's an awful lot of jackassery in it as well. You might say that jackassery is in the eye of the beholder, but I think it's fairly obvious. And while you may say that you wouldn't take it personally and demand clarification (I seriously doubt that), there are plenty in the outrage brigade who invade every one of those threads to make sure the OP clarifies that he's only speaking about a few dozen women and nowhere near the majority.

[DanTex]

70. In that case, if you're not a narcissistic golddigger, then you shouldn't object.

The sexist thing about telling "women" to stop being narcissistic golddiggers is the implication that all women are that way. That the behavior of a few women warrants a broad brush accusation of "women" in general. Please don't tell me that you think calling the "Real Housewives" narcissistic golddiggers is sexist.

[LadyHawkAZ]

76. LMFAO! You JUST did that to me downthread!

In this same thread!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022845844#post44

[EOTE]

54. It's an extremely apt comparison.

But when you present it, you'll only get mock outrage. You're supposed to know innately that the OP is only referring to 1% or so of men, but if you do anything remotely similar with regard to the other gender, the claws come out and the screaming and berating begins. I've come to expect the hypocrisy, but that doesn't make it any more right.

[Orrex]

26. I agree with that, in the same way that your opinion about other women's doesn't mean shit either.

K/R

[Soundman]

28. Guess there wasn't enough hate to go around

In HOF so you had to come out and pollute GD. Cheerio!

[MineralMan]

29. I see by the rest of the thread that this is about breasts.

That was abundantly unclear in your OP. Why not mention the topic of your post in your post?

Every human being has breasts, men and women alike. They're just body parts. For some, they have a special appeal if they are on the body of someone of the opposite sex. For myself, they're not that important. Women's eyes are up there.

[opiate69]

31. As evidenced by the death of the breast augmentation industry...

Oh, wait...

I mean, I know you wistfully dream of the day that you successfully bend all of society to conform to your particular sensibilities, but the fact of the matter is, there are some women who seek male attention and validation. No matter how vehemently you attempt to present yourself as the official spokesperson for all things female/feminist.

[Blue_Tires]

34. I don't get it...

who ever claimed to OWN them?

[boston bean]

37. I claim to own mine. No man does. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

71. Thank Christ I finally know

I've been going around here for months now asking if anyone knew who owned boston bean's breasts. Now I know. Thanks so much.

[one_voice]

36. wait, what?

is this about boobs? I'm confused.

I think they're beautiful, mine and other women's, and I'm a straight woman. Is that bad? Oh, lordy, I'm confused again.

[boston bean]

38. Well confusion for you isn't all that unusual

is it? JK! I'm confused sometimes myself too.

But you know this thread isn't about bodies are beautiful.. don't you?

[one_voice]

39. When I read it..

I thought it was about men's opinions of women's breasts. And that it really doesn't matter what their opinion is cuz they're not theirs. At least that's what I got from it.

So I was giving my opinion on them.

The OP isn't very clear, which is why I was somewhat confused.

Your thread wasn't about bodies being beautiful, but that was my opinion.

Maybe I'll just go work out.

[LadyHawkAZ]

44. Yes?

I don't see the point of this. It's already common knowledge that our breasts are owned by other women. Hence the complaints about bikinis and strippers and Femen.

Amirite?

[HappyMe]

45. Don't forget augmentation

or any lifting type surgery.

[boston bean]

50. Ah, no you're wrong. nt

[LadyHawkAZ]

55. Guess I must have imagined all that then

but if being wrong means I never again have to see that ridiculous bikini-n-burqa cartoon or hear the word "pornify", I'm happy to be wrong.

[boston bean]

60. You want to write to me about something I've written, have at it.

[LadyHawkAZ]

61. Did that

It was:

Yes?

I don't see the point of this. It's already common knowledge that our breasts are owned by other women. Hence the complaints about bikinis and strippers and Femen.

Amirite?

which got a blanket "No, you're wrong" without specifying where or how I was wrong.

But that's cool, my point got made.

[boston bean]

62. I have no idea what you are talking about, are you sure you do?

link me to what wrote I wrote that leads you to some conclusion you have reached about me.

[LadyHawkAZ]

63. Here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2845844

[boston bean]

65. LOL.

weak. you accuse me making statements about burqa's and femen and amina, and you can't back it up, so you try to relate it to this thread?

LOL! again!

[LadyHawkAZ]

67. I didn't accuse you of anything

why do you always assume that everything's about you?

I responded to what you said in the OP. I'm very glad to hear, though, that you disagreed with the cartoon, the repeated bashing of strippers and the nasty mudslinging directed at Femen.

[boston bean]

68. I haven't commented on it, because i am torn and can see both sides to it.

how's that? happy now.. You got me to admit something so god damned awful, right?

Now that you and I both know that there is no freaking way I could have lead you to believe something you just wrote about me, at least admit, you just made shit up.

[LadyHawkAZ]

74. Again, I said nothing about *you*

In spite of your obvious desire to see it that way. I responded to what you wrote. See the difference? I responded to what you wrote with a commentary on something that happens here, on DU, quite frequently. Not a part of it? Haven't said a word about any of those things? Then it's not about you, is it? It only applies to you if you have participated in those things.

[Electric Monk]

46. Don't think about purple elephants

http://advance.org/articles/dont-think-about-purple-elephants/

[quinnox]

47. wrong. My opinion is everything to me when it comes to things like tastes

Example - I don't like reading historical fiction. I won't buy historical fiction books. That opinion of mine is very important to me, because I don't want to be bored by certain genres of fiction when I choose what books to read. Peoples tastes are very important to them. And they are also free to express them, whether you like it or not.

Plus, I also am curious about my friends opinions and tastes. So no, they don't just mean "shit" and only apply to my friend, they are important to me as well. Going back to my books example, they might get me interested in a new genre when I hear about how much they enjoyed reading a certain book.

[boston bean]

51. You're opinion on this holds no meaning for women.

And it never should.

They are our bodies, not for you to objectify like a car or tomatoes.

[quinnox]

53. sorry, but you don't speak for all women

once again, you and members of your group appear to think you are the official spokeswoman for all woman kind. I don't buy it. In fact, I know its not true.

[boston bean]

58. Are you speaking for all men, right now! And for all women too? nt.

[pipi_k]

64. You bet it's

not true.

When I was very much younger than I am now, my best assets were my very very long legs, which I played up every chance I got.

I enjoyed the attention they got from the guys. I didn't play the faux (or even real) outrage card by calling them pigs for noticing, either.

By the same token, I notice certain body parts on men. My weaknesses are nice arms exposed by rolled up sleeves and nice eyes and smile.

Oh, and the occasional nice firm ass in spandex on the football field.

I may be wrong, but I think it's only human nature for people to notice and admire certain things on others.

I even notice and admire tiny waists and nicely curved hips on other women.

My opinions probably don't matter to the objects of my admiration, but I'll be damned if I'd let them tell me I'm not entitled to have an opinion of some sort.

In the case of the OP, I think it's wrong to lump all women together in this "we" category for the sake of beating up on the men. If someone wants to get all foamy about something, the most honest way to do it is to make it personal...talk about how it upsets their own feelings, which is something I respect way more than throwing all women into the same box just to prove some kind of point...

[boston bean]

66. so what are you disagreeing with?

the opinions of your or anyone else on some one elses body parts mean jack shit, just like I said.

[Locut0s]

73. They matter to her. Pipi_k just said as much.

[HappyMe]

59. Well, your opinion on this holds

no meaning for women either.

They are my boobs. If I want to bare them in protest, I will. If I want to stuff them into a sexy bra, I will. If I want to cram 'em full of implants, I will. If I love the fact that my husband calls them his lil buddies, I'm good with that.

None of these things are up for any criticism from any other women. Nor are strippers or Femen.

Every man and woman have a body that belongs to themselves. It's up to every individual to decide if they admire and/or wish to be admired. Your opinion on this belongs to you.

[lumberjack_jeff]

48. Yeah, well...

[DisgustipatedinCA]

72. No, Donny, these women are Nihlists. There's nothing to be afraid of. n/t

.

[LanternWaste]

57. And I am bemused by the Usual Suspects' attempt to deconstruct your OP

And I am bemused by the Usual Suspects' attempt to deconstruct your OP in such a way as to either perceive it in the most offensive way (in order to flex those muscles of righteous rage) or simply trivialize it (to better flex those muscles of a petulant rage).

Their responses are as tired, as suspect, and as typical as they were yesterday... and will be again tomorrow when they once again look for, and pretend to find, something that simply isn't there. Their fists will rise, their feelings will be offended, and they will boast and toast to the cleverness they all of them believe they posses.

Bless their little hearts... they do indeed try in a most persistent, if not tiresome, manner. I will allow them that.

[lumberjack_jeff]

69. Boston Bean is a good writer. She could easily construct an OP that says what she means.

So it is prudent to assume that she means what she is saying. Deconstruction isn't necessary.

"Hey guys (i.e. DU's male readers) your opinion (about breasts) doesn't mean shit."

I'm not outraged about it because her opinion about the value of my opinions doesn't mean shit either.

This thread should be exhibit #1 about why the dialog quality on this discussion board has declined.

[pacalo]

77. That's what the "trash this thread" button is for.

Your tolerance level can be kept on a personal level without infringing upon others' rights to appreciate beauty.

[cliffordu]

78. Well, OK, THEN!!!!

Question: if your posit is true, why go out of your way to post an OP about it?

Mebbe it means more than you're admitting....

[Warren DeMontague]

79. Better not tell The Fugs.