Well well well, Fox News was a co-conspirator in leaking classified docs...

[dorkzilla]

"According to the Post, a federal judge found probable cause that Fox News Chief Washington Correspondent James Rosen solicited a top-secret CIA report on North Korea from government adviser Stephen Jin-Woo Kim in 2009. The report concluded that additional United Nations sanctions would only push North Korea to conduct more nuclear tests. Rosen published details about the report the same day it was made available to Kim and a small number of others in the intelligence community."


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/20/federal-judge-finds-probable-cause-fox-news-reporter-helped-leak-classified-docs/

So they leaked then the GOP demands to know where the leaks are coming from? Sounds like another set up....

[hrmjustin]

1. So what happens to Rosen now?

[SummerSnow]

2. Nothing. Rosen was doing his duty.

[hrmjustin]

3. Than his source could be in trouble?

[dorkzilla]

5. Is that missing the sarcasm tag? n/t

Edited to add - thanks SummerSnow!!!!

[SummerSnow]

8. It was missing the sarcasm tag.Thank you.

[Zen Democrat]

6. Don't be hasty. Rosen and Kim are being targeted as co-conspirators.

[LanternWaste]

10. When we attribute "duty" to little more than how we achieve our paycheck...

When we attribute "duty" to little more than how we achieve our paycheck, I'm compelled to believe we don't fully understand "duty".

[dorkzilla]

7. If it turns out he did what they allege, he may go to jail

The First Amendment doesn't cover criminal activity.

[hrmjustin]

9. I hope if he did something illegal he gets prosecuted.

[Jack Rabbit]

20. Murdoch gives him a promotion

What else?

Privately, he tells Rosen that things would have worked out better if he had been handling the British phone bugging.

[spanone]

4. K&r..

[Cha]

11. thanks dorkzilla!

[dorkzilla]

13. You're welcome, Cha!

The next couple of days should be really interesting!

[snooper2]

12. But But freedom of the press! What about the pentagon papers!

[dorkzilla]

15. Yep, they'll be "freedom of the press"-ing all over the place...

The problem with that argument? They're NOT the press, they're a lie aggregator!!!!!!

[ProSense]

14. The media

"So they leaked then the GOP demands to know where the leaks are coming from? Sounds like another set up...."

...are complicit. A lot more information in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022871121

[dorkzilla]

16. Thanks, ProSense!

I'm reading all the links now...verrrrrrry interesting! Thanks for pulling it all together!

[freshwest]

38. The plot thickens. Same one since 2009.

[pennylane100]

17. Well I do understand how Stephen Jin-Woo is in serious trouble.

He apparently leaked classified material to a fox news reporter. However I do not know the law enough to know if it is a crime to publish classified material. I know that there is protection in come cases under the first amendment but I am not sure about how it will affect the fox reporter, because he solicited this particular classified material

Maybe a great DU legal mind could fill me it. I so want the fox guy to be in big trouble.

[jberryhill]

19. These two situations are distinguishable

1. Insider has classified information, goes to press with it, press prints it.

2. Insider has classified information, press solicits it from him for publication, he provides it, press prints it.

In situation 2, the criminal act was solicited by the press. In situation 1, it wasn't.

[Luminous Animal]

23. Investigative reporters solicit classified information all the time.

[jberryhill]

24. "Solicitation" can get tricky

And would depend on the specific conversations held and the totality of the facts.

At what point can police arrest the driver of a car who:

Slows down to look at a street prostitute,
Makes a U-turn at the next block and comes back,
Stops his car and waits for her to come over,
Strikes up a conversation about she'd "like a date..."

And so on. It really doesn't get down to solicitation until the driver has expressly stated that he would like to have a sexual encounter for money.

[okaawhatever]

39. From what i read he was on the phone with him when he stole it, he told him how to do it, he set up

process and so on. Also, this again outed a spy. Apparently we had a double agent inside N Korea.. Do you know how hard that is? Yep, fox said that the info came from inside N Korea. I'm sure there were a bunch of people who were dead soon thereafter. Just like outing the British spy in the ap scandal (not that the worthless reporters are telling that part).

Also, you know what, I don't agree with a reporter turning out an informant the way we do with spies. Mr. Kim has said, he was totally played and used. He knows it now. Journalism in the past has been having info revealed. also, the intent here wasn't journalism. There was no public benefit, only profit for Rosen. Screw him. We need those sources inside N Korea more than we need this guy.

[leveymg]

27. Legally, I believe that is the distinction.

Another way of looking at it: news media have a limited immunity from prosecution for conspiracy "after the fact", but not those committed before. Nonetheless, there is a risk to the reporter when receiving multiple documents from a source over a period of time. There's the risk the reporter may be accused of cooperating with the source in taking unlawful possession of each new piece of classified material. Deep Throat might be in deep shit, today, as would Woodward & Bernstein.

[sheshe2]

18. Send them to jail!

Thanks dorkzilla!

[dorkzilla]

34. ...and throw the key away!

And while you're at it, take old Fatty Roger too!

sheshe!

[Turbineguy]

21. When Fox or the GOP leak classified info

it's no problem. They've taken the place of the Soviet Union.

[watoos]

22. If you want real justice

declare them enemy combatants and give them all expense paid vacations.

[sulphurdunn]

25. What you are witnessing here

is a full blown war against investigative journalism as it relates to government malfeasance. Whether Rosen, Assange or Manning, or any other journalist or individual, it's the same suppression of the 1st Amendment rights of a free press. The next step will be to crush reporting of corporate malfeasance and then that of wealthy individuals. The fact that Rosen works for FOX does not diminish or negate the threat.

[markpkessinger]

32. Thank you . . .

Despite the fact that it is Fox News that is the subject here, this is NOT something we should be cheering.

[pennylane100]

42. I have no problem with investigation journalism

when it is investigating wrong doing by the government but I do not understand what the government did so wrong that needed to be printed before the fact which possibly endangering lives of those who are doing the informing or our own CIA agents. How do you see this scenario as fitting into those catagories.

[sulphurdunn]

44. If I'm not mistaken,

the 1st Amendment has been interpreted to ensure that once the press has information of any kind, acquired by any means, the only tool the government has to suppress it going public is persuasion or judicial ruling. The same interpretation honors a journalists right not to reveal the source of such information although the government contests it. That's how I understand it, more or less.

[Initech]

26. Hey if corporations are people can't we arrest and try Fox News for obstruction of justice?

Let's see how well it works against them!

[BVictor1]

28. Maybe they'll treat him like Bradley Manning

[Rex]

29. Why does the government allow Rupert Murdoch stench

to continue to damage America? There better be some legal action over this, otherwise we live in a country ruled by the M$M.

[RunInCircles]

30. The over reach worries me.

The ability of the Government to make up a national security excuse and then go look at all records of the press is over the top. Want to stop something embarrassing from coming out? Make up a national security excuse. Want to prevent the story about your mistress being printed? Etc. Etc. This is a very slippery slope.
The over eager zeal to get every leaker and snoop on reporters is not conducive to freedom. What happens to our freedoms next while many stand and cheer because they don't like that guy.
Be careful how much executive over reach you are willing to applaud. If we believe that whistle blowers have contributed to exposing malfeasance and can be a good thing we must be very careful before allowing reporters to be subjected to government snooping.
Where we draw the line needs to be very carefully thought through.

[Rex]

33. Make up much of that stuff or did you read it somewhere?

Foxnews does not run the country and they should face criminal charges for breaking the law. Or do you think the press is above the law? I sure don't.

It is ironic that Foxnews pushed and got GWB selected to office in 2000 and the powers bestowed upon him after 9/11 are these exact same powers you are complaining about. Did you complain about them during 2000-2008? Did Foxnews?

[RunInCircles]

37. When Bush over reached did you rush to his defense?

Your Title is insulting! If you want an example of how totalitarian governments get started look in your mirror.

[pennylane100]

43. I have never heard of concerns that made up stuff may be fed to Fox news,

Is it possible that Fox news was the one that made up stuff. That seems to be their forte.

[totodeinhere]

31. Tweets from Glenn Greenwald

Accusing James Rosen of committing crimes - for basic reporting - may be the most dangerous thing the Obama DOJ has done yet.

I have a lot of respect for Greewald and he certainly is no conservative or bagger. But he is a former constitutional lawyer and he also had this to say.

To address a widely believed myth: except in very rare circumstances, it is *not* a crime for journalists to report classified information.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/james-rosen-justice-department-co-conspirator-obama_n_3305857.html?utm_hp_ref=media

Personally I think however well intentioned the DOJ went too far in this case and they are setting a dangerous precedent.

[okaawhatever]

40. The notion that he was charged for basic reporting is a joke imho. Basic reporting doesn't involve

telling someone how to steal secrets, or being on the phone with them while they do it. In this case there was no benefit to the American people. It outed a N Korean spy period. That's it. Please read all the emails and look at all the info before you decide. This was nothing like b asic reporting. Rosen also admitted his intention was to beat his competition to the story. In other words, to make money. He told Kim what he wanted and specifically told him state dept secrets. Is that normal journalism?

[markpkessinger]

35. Before you all break out the champagne . . .

. . . you might consider what is really going on here. It is NOT a crime for a reporter to report classified information. And the DOJ's attempt to portray it as such has a potentially chilling effect upon ALL news organizations of ANY political stripe. It has the potential of destroying ANY reporter's ability to use confidential sources within the government. If you want to make it impossible for a future Woodward & Bernstein to expose some future, Watergate-level government scandal, then go right ahead and keep cheering. But in doing so, you might spare a tear or two for the quaint notion of a free press. This is profoundly disturbing stuff!

[dorkzilla]

36. I hear you, and I am inclined to agree

However, and I am admitting that this is very juvenile of me, but it's FOX. Do they qualify as a legitimate news organization? Apparently Canada doesn't think so. Think about all the blatant lies churning out of the network and the shit they get away with on a daily basis. They're a hateful bunch of people, and I doubt any of them qualify as "journalist". What I am saying is after all the absolute hateful lying shit they pass off I want something to finally trip them up, even if its on a technicality. Lying scumbags.

[tiny elvis]

41. And when the last law was down

and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?

[Puzzledtraveller]

46. Your point is lost on most of them Mark

Half the crowd here is just anti-republican, any other concern is secondary to that.

[aquart]

45. Please explain why they still have an FCC licence?

[dorkzilla]

47. Beats me...

I just find it hysterical that when I point out Fox lies, my Fox-watching family/friends always say "but..but they're #1! They couldn't get that big telling lies, you silly librul..."

[Number23]

48. K&R