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TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
Wed May 29, 2013, 01:37 PM May 2013

CNN: North Carolina lawmakers shame state. TalkingDog: No shit.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/29/opinion/barber-north-carolina-protest/index.html

In the first 50 days of this session alone, the General Assembly and McCrory cut the earned income tax credit for more than 900,000 poor and working people. They rejected federal funding to expand Medicaid to cover 500,000 North Carolinians without health insurance. They slashed state unemployment benefits and rejected federally funded Emergency Unemployment Compensation to 170,000 laid-off workers. This vicious war on the poor will devastate hundreds of thousands of North Carolinians who are already suffering. And with no checks on the Republican hold on the legislature and governorship, these laws are only the beginning.

Piling further indignities on the poor, they also want to require people applying for temporary assistance or benefits to submit to criminal background checks, and force applicants to a job training program for low-income workers to take a drug test, for which they have to pay.

Now the legislature wants to increase and expand taxes on groceries, haircuts and prescription drugs. They're even taking aim at poor children with a bill to lower the income requirement for North Carolina's prekindergarten program, making it off limits to nearly 30,000 children who would have previously qualified.

Perhaps most terrifying is that the politicians who have seized control are trying to rig the state's election rules, seeking to remain in power far after this legislative session. In their kitchen sink approach to voter suppression, they have pushed bills to require strict forms of photo ID for voting, repeal same-day registration, cut early voting from 17 days to six and ban early voting on Sundays.

More, much more at link.
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CNN: North Carolina lawmakers shame state. TalkingDog: No shit. (Original Post) TalkingDog May 2013 OP
keep voting republican nc - how long b4 they bring back slavery leftyohiolib May 2013 #1
Seems like they're working toward it already... calimary May 2013 #6
It's disgusting what is happening in NC. NC is a purple-blue state GOP gerrymandered into deep red. blm May 2013 #2
Yep. The gerrymandering has killed us. TalkingDog May 2013 #3
right, and that happened because dems did not show up in 2010 greenman3610 May 2013 #13
Don't you get sick of playing that same broken record? I'm surprised you couldn't A Simple Game May 2013 #22
WRONG bluemarkers May 2013 #25
Re: Tea Bag sticker shock. S'truth. It's happening in my county TalkingDog May 2013 #33
yep bluemarkers May 2013 #35
Get your fucking facts straight. WorseBeforeBetter May 2013 #43
ReThuglicans at work get the red out May 2013 #4
I just don't get this war on the poor CanonRay May 2013 #5
I don't get it either, especially since these are very likely the same ones who'll claim they're calimary May 2013 #7
In their mind hootinholler May 2013 #11
Oh Heavens, of course! Silly me! What was I thinking? calimary May 2013 #16
Hard to have sympathy Jakes Progress May 2013 #12
I just don't get dumbasses like that. And yes, they are legion. nt raccoon May 2013 #26
I HEAR YOU JAKES PROGRESS Skittles May 2013 #27
I was thinking the same thing.... Yooperman May 2013 #34
Sad but true CanonRay May 2013 #39
Why don't you get it? Blue_Tires May 2013 #30
Geez!!! Xolodno May 2013 #8
K & R Scurrilous May 2013 #9
I think they're trying to push out people out of their state Baitball Blogger May 2013 #10
Remember the Law of Unintended Consequences egold2604 May 2013 #14
Welcome to DU, egold2604! calimary May 2013 #17
Accordingly, almost the same type of governing Iliyah May 2013 #15
Seen this playbook before LovingA2andMI May 2013 #18
Other states in the same boat marions ghost May 2013 #20
Here's hoping that Gov Snyder and Iliyah May 2013 #24
The R's are going to lose NC soon, and they know it. Laelth May 2013 #19
In Asheville, yes, but I see so many in outlying areas that are brainwashed young_at_heart May 2013 #21
If I could run, I'd hit 'em on all three of them counts. mwooldri May 2013 #38
They learned all this shit from the Florida Legislature. Fuddnik May 2013 #23
The state Democratic party in NC octoberlib May 2013 #28
With the 5th worst unemployment in the nation... WorseBeforeBetter May 2013 #44
The state party needs to be working on finding a viable candidate for Governor octoberlib May 2013 #45
Yeah, I know a woman who works at DOC Workforce something-or-other... WorseBeforeBetter May 2013 #46
The sick thing is they will go on Foxnews with their hatred for the poor Rex May 2013 #29
They are not republicans nineteen50 May 2013 #32
That's an insult to colon flora. Some flora are beneficial. mwooldri May 2013 #37
They are just nineteen50 May 2013 #31
When will this war on the poor end? mwooldri May 2013 #36
NC is heading to be the first state to make it BACK to the 19th century! greiner3 May 2013 #40
NC Policy Watch G_j May 2013 #41
ALEC G_j May 2013 #42

calimary

(81,227 posts)
6. Seems like they're working toward it already...
Wed May 29, 2013, 02:46 PM
May 2013

First, it'll be blacks that are reclassified as property. Then, it'll be ALL women - not just the black ones. After all, the word "uppity" tends to apply there, too. That jerk from Oklahoma recently said as much (without using the actual word) about how disturbingly "forceful" Hillary Clinton was.

blm

(113,052 posts)
2. It's disgusting what is happening in NC. NC is a purple-blue state GOP gerrymandered into deep red.
Wed May 29, 2013, 01:52 PM
May 2013

ALEC legislation is being passed through Raleigh on a weekly basis.

greenman3610

(3,947 posts)
13. right, and that happened because dems did not show up in 2010
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:39 PM
May 2013

and THAT happened because when Obama didn't start walking on water from day one, people bailed on him and went into the "there's not a dime's worth of difference" mode.
Can we finally see where that kind of shit leads?

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
22. Don't you get sick of playing that same broken record? I'm surprised you couldn't
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:05 PM
May 2013

find a way to work Nader into the mix.

Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and take a course on marketing or advertising.

You don't get people to come into your store by saying you are almost as good as the other guy. You have to give them a reason that you are better. The Republicans have the conservative thing sewn up, maybe the Democrats should try something else, maybe being more liberal?

I can remember when DU used to be liberal.

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
25. WRONG
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:13 PM
May 2013

sorry for shouting however

John Edwards is the poster boy for handing the election over, his handmaiden in this mess is Mike Easley, with Bev Perdue assuming the role of whipping boy.

Their actions turned off many that were on the fence.

Dems behaving badly led to this sorry mess

(though I must admit, even republicans are very shocked by the tea baggers)

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
33. Re: Tea Bag sticker shock. S'truth. It's happening in my county
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:37 PM
May 2013

and I don't think I can remember the last time a Democrat was County Commissioner.

Interestingly, this has led some of the formerly hard core Republicans to vote more moderately just to keep the pressure on the 'baggers.

The gerrymandering has been going on for 30+ years. It didn't start with the last election or the one before that.

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
35. yep
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:53 PM
May 2013

seems like a few ago the Dems sat back and allowed a couple of gerrymandered areas... I'm guessing they thought there were just evening things up?

North Carolinians aren't fools and in general we are pretty even keeled. These tea baggers didn't run on these crazy ideas. You said it best, sticker shock.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
43. Get your fucking facts straight.
Wed May 29, 2013, 09:22 PM
May 2013

Last edited Wed May 29, 2013, 09:57 PM - Edit history (1)

In 2010, North Carolina Dems out-voted Republicans 51.24% to 47.98% in straight-party voting.

http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/22580/41687/en/summary.html

Teabaggers picked up 27 seats state-wide because voters were whipped into a frenzy over Obama's mythical death panels. Unfortunately, he was MIA rather than fighting back with us, but chill the fuck out! he's got this!

Lily-white Yancey county had the highest turnout at 62.93%, with a straight-party vote of 54.90% Dem to 43.51% Republican. Counties with high minority populations had the lowest turnout:

Hoke 31.97 %
Robeson 33.77 %
Pasquotank 34.91 %
Cumberland 35.67 %
Scotland 37.96 %
Mecklenburg 37.98 %

We've got a lot of wealthy retirees pouring into this state, and they tend to vote Republican -- another factor fucking us over.

Stating that people expected Obama to "walk on water" is Crap Blog bullshit. But keep pimping that lazy line of "thinking" if it makes you feel better.

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
5. I just don't get this war on the poor
Wed May 29, 2013, 02:35 PM
May 2013

Republicans want to blame everything on those who have little or nothing. They've fully embraced Romney's 47% ideas and made it their guiding philosophy.

calimary

(81,227 posts)
7. I don't get it either, especially since these are very likely the same ones who'll claim they're
Wed May 29, 2013, 02:49 PM
May 2013

total Christians.

You can't be a follower of Christ and do what these people are doing to the poor. You just can't be. You defy the very definition of Christian, and what I always was taught was Christ's own personal Priority-One.

But they do. And no one in any position of high authority or prominent pulpit (church or otherwise) ever calls them on it.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
11. In their mind
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:24 PM
May 2013

They aren't doing it to the poor, they are justifiably forcing the lazy dopers to go out and get a job! Facts be damned.

calimary

(81,227 posts)
16. Oh Heavens, of course! Silly me! What was I thinking?
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:49 PM
May 2013

It's all those black welfare queens just ruining everything for the rest of us! The gospel truth, of course!!!!! I must have been having a brain fart or something...

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
12. Hard to have sympathy
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:25 PM
May 2013

for the millions of poor and unemployed who still vote republican like they were stupid machines.

I get this all the time at the shelter where I volunteer. Some red-neck asshole can't get a job, has no way to support his family, can't feed his kids. He blames African Americans and gays and young people. He is proud to vote with Texas gubnor perry and against the arab commies who are trying to take away the guns he had to pawn. He is an idiot and he votes. And he is legion.

Skittles

(153,156 posts)
27. I HEAR YOU JAKES PROGRESS
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:20 PM
May 2013

and I am not sure what exactly will wake these people up; it is EXTREMELY disturbing

Yooperman

(592 posts)
34. I was thinking the same thing....
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:52 PM
May 2013

We get the government we want.... one way or another.

Maybe some will now see how important it is to vote...in the meantime if I lived there I would really consider leaving the state for the next few years are going to be hell.

YM

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
30. Why don't you get it?
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:34 PM
May 2013

1. The poor don't write fat campaign checks
2. The poor do nothing to help politicians further their career ambitions, since they have no strings to pull
3. There is no slick, simple answer to solve poverty, so the issue gets mostly ignored in campaigns and by the media
4. Half of the poor are socially conservative and will keep voting republican no matter what happens, anyway

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
8. Geez!!!
Wed May 29, 2013, 02:50 PM
May 2013

This is going to backfire heavily on them...and I don't mean elections, but socially and economic.

Baitball Blogger

(46,703 posts)
10. I think they're trying to push out people out of their state
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:10 PM
May 2013

that will cost them money.

I wonder what this is going to do to the crime rate?

egold2604

(369 posts)
14. Remember the Law of Unintended Consequences
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:46 PM
May 2013

These Republicans in the state houses really don't know what they are doing. I forget which state it was, but they really tightened up immigration with the unintended consequence of their crops rotting in the fields because the undocumented migrant workers left the state and there were no one left to harvest.

Eventually they will have debt slaves do the menial work.

calimary

(81,227 posts)
17. Welcome to DU, egold2604!
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:51 PM
May 2013

Glad you're here! I think the whole "Law of Unintended Consequences" thing was left out of their "textbooks," once upon a time... Not sure they've demonstrated any behavior that suggests they think long-term, about ANY consequences of their actions.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
15. Accordingly, almost the same type of governing
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:48 PM
May 2013

is happening in most "GOP" run states. Look at Michigan, it doesn't look like a democracy any more.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
18. Seen this playbook before
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:52 PM
May 2013

In Michigan, with Gov. Rick Snyder and the Republican controlled FOR NOW House & Senate. Wonder do people in other States think, "It wouldn't happen to us" when they elected these GOPers to control EVERYTHING in State Capitals?

Thank GOD for Michiganders, Nov 5, 2014 is around the corner and we have a candidate for Governor already with former Congressman Mark Schauer!!

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
20. Other states in the same boat
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:03 PM
May 2013

& actively fighting this:

VA, FL, TX, WI, MI, OH, PA, MS, CO, IN ---as well as NC.

These are the main "battleground" states.

The battles go on between elections.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
24. Here's hoping that Gov Snyder and
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:09 PM
May 2013

a lot of GOPers are voted out! I can imagine all the effing clean up from these un-American assholes that Schauer will have to do to bring back the democracy that Michigan people deserve.

GOPers do the total opposite of what they preach. They are the oppressor of all things concerning democracy for all Americans. They are the oligarchy.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
19. The R's are going to lose NC soon, and they know it.
Wed May 29, 2013, 03:55 PM
May 2013

They're doing as much damage as possible before being kicked to the curb.

And that's "the bright side."

-Laelth

young_at_heart

(3,767 posts)
21. In Asheville, yes, but I see so many in outlying areas that are brainwashed
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:03 PM
May 2013

The Republicans only need three words to get votes: abortion, God, values. No 'decent' North Carolinian would vote for a Democrat!! They hammer this message so much that it has become accepted, unfortunately!

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
38. If I could run, I'd hit 'em on all three of them counts.
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:41 PM
May 2013

Anti-abortion, Pro Jesus, Pro Guns, Pro Family Values, anti-Gay? I can come out and sound genuine enough but without destroying my integrity on all of those issues (that I'm pro women's health, pro religious freedom, pro sensible gun control, pro 21st Century Family Values, and pro-inclusion). Three things stand in my way: 1) not being a US Citizen, 2) I'd have to run as a D in a highly gerrymandered R district, and 3) I'd need some cash... serious cash. Point 1 can be addressed but my background would kill me anyways (Englishman with a mental health issue).

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
23. They learned all this shit from the Florida Legislature.
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:07 PM
May 2013

Next up: Transfer everyone's money to Duke Energy, the insurance companies, and crooked businessmen.

They just keep going down here, and they're still in power, thanks to an inept Democratic Party. Why we even dug down to the bottom of the barrel, with the help of our illustrious (D) Senator and DNC Chair to elect a former ChoicePoint lobbyist, who is married to a member of the Bush Legal team during Bush v Gore, to be our new Florida Democratic Chair.

It goes downhill from there.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
28. The state Democratic party in NC
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:22 PM
May 2013

is partly responsible for McCrory getting elected. We'd carried the legislature for the past century and the Governor's office for the past 30 years. In the meantime there's been a lot of corruption and infighting in the state party. They threw in a candidate against McCrory at the last minute who had no name recognition.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
44. With the 5th worst unemployment in the nation...
Wed May 29, 2013, 09:52 PM
May 2013

many North Carolinians are DESPERATE for work. They voted for McCrory because they thought he was the affable, moderate mayor from Charlotte who would bring jobs to the state (I'd say "and not a Pope/Koch puppet," but I wonder how many voters pay that close attention to who is truly pulling the strings).

These 2012 numbers are pretty depressing:

Straight Party Vote
Dem 55.54%
Rep 43.48%

Governor
Dalton (D) 43.2%
McCrory (R) 54.6%

http://www.ncsbe.gov/content.aspx?id=69

God only knows what 2014 and 2016 will hold...

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
45. The state party needs to be working on finding a viable candidate for Governor
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:47 PM
May 2013

but it sounds like they're still fighting with each other.I keep hoping Anthony Foxx will be interested in the job. What you said about McCrory was spot on. Some of my friends knew him and thought he was great. Now they're all saying " I'm so disappointed in Pat" . McCrory's schtick in Charlotte was that he was "above politics'. He's an opportunist.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
46. Yeah, I know a woman who works at DOC Workforce something-or-other...
Thu May 30, 2013, 12:17 AM
May 2013

and she sees it every day at the office -- unemployed folks (all colors, political stripes, etc.) who voted for McCrory. They're not happy, but my reaction would be "what the hell did you expect?!" And after the 2010 debacle, they should have voted for the D gubernatorial candidate just for balance of power alone. Again, jobs. It's astonishing how bad it is so for so many in this state. And this woman will be out of a job effective June 30th thanks to Republicans gutting unemployment. Thanks, assholes.

I need to read up more on Foxx. Attorney, mayor, Transportation Sec? Definitely has the cred...

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
29. The sick thing is they will go on Foxnews with their hatred for the poor
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:28 PM
May 2013

and the pundits will all chirp along happily in agreement. Republicans are like a cancer on America.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
37. That's an insult to colon flora. Some flora are beneficial.
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:28 PM
May 2013

But they are not what I would call Republicans either.

nineteen50

(1,187 posts)
31. They are just
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:34 PM
May 2013

trying to keep the poor from hoarding their money. Seems the tea party only wants more guns so they can hold up the poor.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
36. When will this war on the poor end?
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:27 PM
May 2013

The collective actions of the NCGA appear to me to make Ebeneezer Scrooge (pre Christmas) look like a very generous man.

Man if I had some talent I could make some awesome attack ads against them. War on Poor. The hymn "When I needed a Neighbor".

Things like "Has Rep xxxx been a good neighbor? If you lose your job, will (s)he help you tide you over until you get a new job? No, xxxx has voted to slash jobseeker benefits. Why has your grocery bill gone up? XXXX voted to tax it more. Why can't you get healthcare? xxxx voted to not receive funds from the government to get you healthcare. Even then, XXXX voted to increase your health costs by taxing your doctor-prescribed medication."

I could get tasteless and go full on with "War on the Poor" and meld images of that elected representative and some cross-hair gun sights on generic pictures of disadvantaged people.

Sadly I don't have any video making talent yet. I guess I'm going to have to start, because something has got to be done.. especially with gerrymandered districts. It has got to get personal... and we can't just stick in the cities. We got to get to the country.

I can't vote. I'm only a Permanent Resident. But I guess I'm gonna be busy for the next 14 months.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
41. NC Policy Watch
Wed May 29, 2013, 07:50 PM
May 2013

excellent resource for the insanity!

http://www.ncpolicywatch.com


here is the latest posting:

Report: House tax plan gives wealthy tax breaks, shifts load to middle-, low-income taxpayers
Published on May 29th, 2013
Written by: Jeff Shaw

G_j

(40,367 posts)
42. ALEC
Wed May 29, 2013, 08:19 PM
May 2013

a good look at ALEC

http://www.ncpolicywatch.com/2013/05/17/shining-sunlight-on-a-secretive-lobby-group/

Shining sunlight on a secretive lobby group

Published on May 17th, 2013
Written by: Nancy MacLean

<snip>

As a U. S. historian, I am deeply alarmed at the growing power of this secretive body, founded by the longtime right-wing strategist Paul Weyrich in 1973 and bankrolled by some of the largest corporations in America.

<snip>

Breathtakingly unethical and cynical in the extreme, the effort worked. It helped build a mass base for the Republican right. As the religious right turned citizens against one another through a deliberately amped-up “culture war,” ALEC quietly built a powerhouse out of the limelight.

Today, as we have witnessed in North Carolina, the group can move the same legislation in dozens of states at once. In neighboring Virginia, Weyrich’s and Falwell’s home state, ALEC’s minions in the General Assembly have been even more audacious: as the New York Times reported in February of this year, Virginia GOP legislators introduced more than 50 ALEC-proposed laws, “many practically word for word.”

<snip>

Our nation has never seen a bolder private bid to transform public life—even in the heyday of corporate influence, the Gilded Age. Every school child (at least in public schools) encounters the irrefutable evidence that this period between the overthrow of Reconstruction in 1877 and the progressive reforms of the early 1900s was the nadir of American democracy; a period in which corporations controlled both major parties, virtually ran the Congress, and produced corruption on a scale that left even brilliant humorists like Mark Twain at a loss for words. What most people today don’t understand, though, is that this dismal era was the golden age of the ALEC version of “liberty.”

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