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WASHINGTON Below is a statement from Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, on President Obama's reported plan to nominate James B. Comey as the next director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
"While the ACLU does not take official positions on nominations to appointed office, there are many questions regarding Comey's record that deserve careful scrutiny from the Senate Judiciary Committee. As the second-highest ranked Justice Department official under John Ashcroft, Comey approved some of the worst abuses committed by the Bush administration. Specifically, the publicly available evidence indicates Comey signed off on enhanced interrogation techniques that constitute torture, including waterboarding. He also oversaw the indefinite detention without charge or trial of an American citizen picked up in the United States and then held for years in a military brig. Although Comey, despite tremendous pressure from the Bush White House, deserves credit for courageously stopping the reauthorization of a secret National Security Agency program, he reportedly approved programs that struck at the very core of who we all are as Americans.
"It's critical that the Senate ensures that the men and women of the FBI know that they have a leader who will demand adherence to the rule of law and will hold those accountable who do not, wherever he or she may find them."
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-possible-nomination-james-b-comey-fbi-director
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)but I oppose the nomination of anyone who signed off on torture.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)And today is a good day to invest in eternal vigilence at www.aclu.org
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)and on this I am with the ACLU (of which I am a member). I thought they were fucked up on citizens united, but that didn't stop me from supporting the ACLU. This won't stop me from supporting Obama. But I hope he loses this nomination fight.
Anyone who signed off on approving torture has NO place in government, period.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Just as they did with CIA reports on WMDs, Bush officials pressured DOJ lawyers to issue torture-authorizing memos.
By Glenn Greenwald
The New York Times was provided 3 extremely important internal Justice Department emails from April, 2005 (.pdf) all written by then-Deputy Attorney General Jim Comey which highlight how the Bush administrations torture techniques became legally authorized by Bush lawyers. As Marcy Wheeler documents, the leak to the NYT was clearly from someone eager to defend Bush officials by suggesting that Comeys emails prove that all DOJ lawyers even those opposed to torture on policy grounds agreed these techniques were legal, and the NYT reporters, Scott Shane and David Johnston, dutifully do the leakers bidding by misleadingly depicting the Comey emails as vindication for Bush/Cheney (Headline: U.S. Lawyers Agreed on the Legality of Brutal Tactic; First Paragraph: When Justice Department lawyers engaged in a sharp internal debate in 2005 over brutal interrogation techniques, even some who believed that using tough tactics was a serious mistake agreed on a basic point: the methods themselves were legal).
I defy anyone to read Comeys 3 emails and walk away with that conclusion. Marcy has detailed many of the reasons the NYT article is so misleading, so I want to focus on what the Comey emails actually demonstrate about what these DOJ torture memos really are. The primary argument against prosecutions for Bush officials who ordered torture is that DOJ lawyers told the White House that these tactics were legal, and White House officials therefore had the right to rely on those legal opinions. The premise is that White House officials inquired in good faith with the DOJ about what they could and could not do under the law, and only ordered those tactics which the DOJ lawyers told them were legal. As these Comey emails prove, that simply is not what happened.
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Whats most ironic about what the NYT did here is that on the very same day this article appears, there is a column from the NYT Public Editor, Clark Hoyt, excoriating the paper for having published a deeply misleading front page story by Elizabeth Bumiller, that claimed that 1 out of 7 Guantanamo detainees returned to jihad once they are released. That happened because Bumiller followed the most common method of modern establishment reporting: she mindlessly repeated what her government sources told her to say. As Hoyt put it:
But the article on which he based that statement was seriously flawed and greatly overplayed. It demonstrated again the dangers when editors run with exclusive leaked material in politically charged circumstances and fail to push back skeptically. The lapse is especially unfortunate at The Times, given its history in covering the run-up to the Iraq war.
That is exactly what Shane and Johnston did with these Comey emails. Just as Bumiller did, they included some contrary facts buried deep in the article about Comeys objections, but the headline and the way the entire article was framed will create the impression as intended that there was unanimity among DOJ lawyers regarding the legality of the Bush interrogation program. Other journalists, too slothful to read the Comey emails themselves, will get the message and go forth and repeat it, and it will soon be conventional wisdom that everyone at the DOJ agreed these torture techniques were legal. Already this morning, here is George Stephanopolous Twitter reaction to the NYT story:
http://www.salon.com/2009/06/07/torture_memos/
This just goes to show how opinions can differ. I never trusted Comey.
NOVA_Dem
(620 posts)James Comey becomes just the latest symbol of the Obama legacy: normalizing what was very recently viewed as radical
It was announced yesterday that this very same James Comey - who as Bush's Deputy Attorney General authorized the once-very-controversial, patently illegal Bush NSA eavesdropping program - is President Obama's choice to be the new Director of the FBI.
In other words, there was something the NSA was doing for years - that we still don't know - even more extreme than the illegal NSA program revealed by the NYT in 2005. It was Comey, along with Ashcroft, Mueller, and Goldsmith, who threatened to resign if it did not stop, and they deserve credit for that. But the reason they didn't end up resigning was because Bush officials "modified" that NSA program into something those lawyers could and did endorse: the still-illegal, still-radical NSA eavesdropping program that spied on the communications of Americans without warrants and in violation of the law.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/30/james-comey-fbi-bush-nsa
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)forestpath
(3,102 posts)Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Couldn't agree more
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)forestpath
(3,102 posts)forestpath
(3,102 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Then they have descended to a new level of stupid.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Lame.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)But please, continue your demonstration of the point.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I see this has been an exercise in futility.
To put it bluntly, your "shit" is a bit lacking in creativity, which probably explains why you thought the remark was DU'zy material in the first place.
At any rate, have at it.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Please proceed without me, I'm doing my nails.
alsame
(7,784 posts)G_j
(40,367 posts)gotta wonder about his judgement..
alsame
(7,784 posts)assuming he's no longer a neo-con.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)No investigative creds.
Pragdem
(233 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)but it seems that you've lost yours
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I'm sure it's all a big misunderstanding.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Obama and his Republican pals make me sick.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)party for nominations instead of throwing in with pro-torture Bushies? Watch out Occupy.
alsame
(7,784 posts)have radical right wing appointments. Democratic presidents have to be bipartisan.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Even if you are a Registered Democrat (which he himself is not), to not agree with an O appointment makes you a third party hater that needs to be TS'D. The weird part is, to not be "third party" we must support this REPUBLICAN. how does Sid logic makes sense? Even if he is correct about partisan purity and this site, how does that also include supporting Republicans with a hard on for torture?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)They are NOT US voters. What are they going to say or do that could ever help? "Oh we have it so much better here because we are smarter than the American idiots"
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)He has gone around insulting, attacking, and ridiculing anyone that is not up to his loyalist expectations for years and word has it he is completely tombstone immune, which appears to be the case.
He is a DU pet of some sort with immunity to tell us how to be American Democrats. I don't understand it either.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I suspect that there is an alert gang coordinating by using DU mail to go after certain members ...Nadine for one. They will make it a point to look at everything you say to see if they can alert on it ...they also might have a way to select sympathetic and or revengeful members for jury service. How ever it is happening ...there is an effort to shut people up that have opposing views and or exposing bad or flawed Democratic policies and decisions.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I tend to bite the fingers poking at me instead. I just post too seldom for them to bother with, but I think they are hovering around manny and a few others looking for something to pounce on.
Seeing Sid is like seeing a vulture around prey the jackals are after, he is a sign they are salivating in close distance.
frylock
(34,825 posts)ignore feature is one of the best remedies for high blood pressure.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)It took little effort to get him to put me on ignore. Try it. It will make your DU experience MUCH more pleasant. 'Course then the sycophants come in but they're easily handled.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I don't have to believe it and he may hit the ignore button before reading the period at the end of the statement.
Sid
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)and he likes to sing along, and he likes to shoot his guns...
but he don't know what it means....
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I find it interesting that when you ask the Obama Group about policy, they wont answer. They are afraid they might say something that reveals a disagreement with their god. For example, when we were discussing indefinite detention in the NDAA, they would not say whether they supported indefinite detention or not because it wasnt clear how the Pres felt. Ask them about any issue and what they essentially say is, "I trust the Pres and support whatever he does." These are not, IMO, Democrats.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)trumps policy and reality to idol worshipers of every variety.
frylock
(34,825 posts)now that trait is a fucking virtue around here.
kentuck
(111,094 posts)He's good as chosen.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)Democratic administration, considerable blow-back might be a necessary part of the price to be paid for that privilege.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)or steal our precious bodily fluids, or something.
Go Blue!
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)partie leftist firebagger hater that supports Rand paul and wants to undermine Democrats. You have to Love Republicans to be a true Democrat or something....
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)There can of course be no other explanation, that's why I am a racist for opposing that African American pizza guy that tried to run, no doubt about it, only racism can account for my dislike of pizza guy's idiot policy "offerings" or "toppings" or whatever that nonsense was that he was selling.
ReRe
(10,597 posts).... who woulda' thunk it? I was excoriated limb from limb just yesterday right here on DU for not being exactly thrilled over POs choice of Mueller's replacement in the FBI, Mr Comey.
From the beginning, I was not into the "Team of Rivals" sort of cabinet/administration. It may have been what old Honest Abe did, as well as JFK, but we all know what happened to them. We are living in a much different time now. And sure enough, PO hasn't been able to get everything done that Democrats everywhere in this country want and need.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)I wish he would pick a few from our side.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Why, oh why, does our President think we don't have enough rivals and must hire more?
Yesterday the meme was the guy was a champion against warrantless tapping of phones and email, this confused me because Obama supports that same policy. Voted for it, and as president allows it to continue, red herring anyone?
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... not FOR one.
As for picking a few from our side...me too. I would love to see a Democrat win office and fill his/her Administration with DEMOCRATS! Democratic House and Senate. Hey, how many Democrats did GW have in his Adm? No, they had a team of DEVILS.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Why can't a President elected as a Democrat find a qualified person other than a Republican?
Why are Republicans, and Republican policies that they supported, so appealing to him? Can't he find some qualified Democrats?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Chalk up another one for Team Blue.
AND, we got long term Republican Lincoln Chaffe yesterday!!!
He still believes everything he believed before,
but , for some reason, NOW feels right at home in the New Democrat Centrist Party!!!!
Nonnie...nonnie... hey Hey.
The Republican Party is DEAD!!!!
CENTRISM!!...because it is so damned EASY!
You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING,
and get to insult those who DO!!!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Comey's awesome! Just check out he responses here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022919961
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/democrats-love-james-comey-obamas-republican-pick-lead/story?id=19289113
That's our media!
Skittles
(153,160 posts)AND SHAME ON DUers FOR PIMPING HIM SOLELY BECAUSE OBAMA THINKS HE IS A-OK
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)Comey refused to certify or 'sign-off" on aspects of the administration's NSA surveillance program -- the legality of which he believed was highly dubious. He threatened to resign over the matter and positively refused to sign-off on it. His refusal led to the pitiful scene in John Ashcroft's hospital room where Andrew Card and Alberto Gonzalez tried to pressure the ailing Ashcroft into approving the controversial (and probably illegal) plan.
I don't know a lot about Comey, but that took guts and principle.
It also seems fairly obvious to me the inherent advantage of having a qualified official who served in the Bush administration in charge of the FBI. It's a question of whether the president would rather spend his remaining time governing, or else spend it in confrontation with the lunatic Republicans in the House.
I'm neither defending nor supporting torture in any way, nor am I defending any role Comey may have had in the awful, shameful conduct of the United States in torturing military prisoners.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_B._Comey
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)NOVA_Dem
(620 posts)What Bush was doing was WORSE and Comey wouldn't re-authorize it. The program that had everyone offended is what Comey authorized.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)...because of the illegality of the proposed law, but sign on to work for Obama who re-authorized that law???
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And evidently Comey urgently advised him not to, even though Gonzo was under heavy pressure from the White House. From an April 28, 2005, Comey e-mail to a Chuck Rosenburg describing a phone call from a Ted Ullyot about an upcoming WH meeting between Gonzo, Rice, Dumya and Darth regarding "interrogations," later published in NYT:
http://static1.firedoglake.com/28/files//2009/06/050427-comey-emails-compressed.pdf
There's more at the link but regarding this particular episode it seems Cheney in particular was muscling the DOJ to sign off on a fig leaf, Gonzo buckled, and Comey explicitly advised him not to. At least that's how it looks to me. Who knows what ACLU's beef is today. It would help if they identified their "publicly available evidence," but they don't:
Specifically, the publicly available evidence indicates Comey signed off on enhanced interrogation techniques that constitute torture, including waterboarding. He also oversaw the indefinite detention without charge or trial of an American citizen picked up in the United States and then held for years in a military brig.
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-possible-nomination-james-b-comey-fbi-director
Bottom line: the ACLU memo looks a little fishy. Comey and a Patrick Philbin apparently did NOT approve the techniques and also didn't attend the meeting where Gonzo gave the green light.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-fbi-chief-backed-nsa-wiretapping-2013-5#ixzz2UpJ5MDNf
You cite emails, talk and emails are cheap, cosigning a legal memorandum endorsing it is more important than an email public relations CYA thing. One is what he DID the other is him saying "I dint like it man".
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)"Previously undisclosed Justice Department e-mail messages, interviews and newly declassified documents show that some of the lawyers, including James B. Comey, the deputy attorney general who argued repeatedly that the United States would regret using harsh methods, went along with a 2005 legal opinion asserting that the techniques used by the Central Intelligence Agency were lawful.
"That opinion, giving the green light for the CIA to use all 13 methods in interrogating terrorism suspects, including waterboarding and up to 180 hours of sleep deprivation, 'was ready to go out and I concurred,' Mr. Comey wrote to a colleague in an April 27, 2005, e-mail message obtained by The New York Times."
As I wrote at the time, the NYT article significantly overstated Comey's role in approving these torture programs. But it is true that he ultimately acquiesced to their legalization.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Already debunked it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022924526#post6
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)The part that you missed:
http://www.salon.com/2009/06/07/torture_memos/
What Comey was unwilling to sign off on was the combined usage of torture on people. What he signed off on was subjecting people to an individual torture technique.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)But you can read all about it here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022924526#post32
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)I just posted an OP on Comey; I wish I had had this, to link to on it.
Very importantant. Thanks.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)By BENJAMIN WEISER
The federal authorities in Manhattan are investigating whether there were any violations of the law in President Bill Clinton's decision to commute the sentences of four Hasidic men who were convicted of defrauding the government of tens of millions of dollars, people familiar with the investigation said.
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Spokesmen for the United States attorney in Manhattan, Mary Jo White, and for the F.B.I. had no comment.
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Senator Clinton's press secretary, Karen Dunn, said yesterday, ''Senator Clinton has spoken about these commutations on several occasions, and we do not have anything to add at this time.''
In her past statements, Mrs. Clinton has denied any participation in the commutations, saying last month: ''I did not play any role whatsoever. I had no opinion about it.''
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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/24/us/inquiry-focuses-on-commuted-sentences-for-4-new-yorkers.html
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD
Federal prosecutors said yesterday that no criminal wrongdoing was committed when President Bill Clinton commuted the sentences of four swindlers from a Hasidic enclave in New York State that voted overwhelmingly for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
James B. Comey, the United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, said in a two-sentence statement that he had closed his investigation of clemency granted to the four men from New Square, N.Y.
Mr. Comey said he would continue the investigation into the more than 170 other pardons and clemencies Mr. Clinton granted on his last day of office, including the one that has drawn the most ire: a pardon for the financier Marc Rich, a commodities trader who fled the country in 1983.
The New Square case also drew attention because of its mix of the Clintons, New York ethnic politics and suggestions of vote-trading.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/21/us/prosecutors-clear-clintons-in-clemency-of-4-hasidic-men.html
KoKo
(84,711 posts)that they are watching. And that while I might applaud his actions at Ashcroft's bedside incident...I think he might be a different person after his time at that Hedge Fund and like most of Obama's appointees ...he might have become a Tool for the 1%.
So..while I'm more angry about Penny Pritzker's Nomination for head of Commerce Department...I'm inclined to give Comey some slack..but, he needs to be held accountable to more than Obama... He needs to be held accountable for his past and present associations...even though he did one good deed...it doesn't mean he isn't as compromised as the rest of the appointees have been who work for the 1% and not us.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Penny Pritzker is a huge slap in the face of the 99%. Penny Pritzker is Mit Romney with a D after her name.
It will be interesting to see if the Republicans will do with the nomination of Ms. Pritzker. After all she totally represents Republican values but she was nominated by Obama.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Bloomberg Business report thought that was surprising. So...I'm worried that the Repugs like her, too...because they are in favor of the policies she will advocate at Commerce. And, she must have a big agenda if she's giving up her Board Memberships and some of her Trust Fund accounts activities.
With Comey...I sort of go along with H20man's opinion. He's not the best, but not the worst and he's about what we could expect.
Jason Furman and Penny Pritzger...are pretty much indefensible. Except that one is a "President Maker" and the other a DC insider who served Clinton, Kerry and even Wes Clark in his campaign. He's connected ...a "Free Trader Advocate" and he's got his own trust fund from his Wealthy Family. He thinks Wall Mart is Progressive...and thinks Universal Health Care is allowing more insurance companies into the market for competition to get the poor care.
It's all bad and discouraging to me. But, I imagine that there will be many here who feel these choices are excellent...because this President is doing it and not Bush or Romney...
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)here? I dont think Mrs. Clinton will do us any better.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)you are supposed to find ways to excuse it, to explain it, to justify it. Republicans are okay when the president appoints them.
However, and I'm telling you this for your own good, if you ever, ever dare to even whisper that Ron Paul opposes the Drug War and opposed Bush's wars and refused to fund them, you will be accused of being a 'Paultard', a disgusting and insulting to the mentally ill, insult. You will be accused of supporting Republicans and it will be suggested that you go join FR.
The president however, no matter how many Republicans he appoints to powerful positions will never be accused of anything but the most honorable motives.
How many Republicans do we have now in this 'democratic' administration? Is the president a 'bushtard' for keeping Bush appointees, like Bernanke, like Gates, now Comey and how many others? Of COURSE not.
But remember, never, ever point out that YOU, like the president apparently, see that some Republicans, like Ron Paul eg who worked with Democrats like Alan Grayson and Dennis Kucinich, have from time to time opposed right wing policies.
Yes, I know, there is so much hypocrisy going around, but you are not supposed to notice it. The very same people who will, once again for the umpteenth time now, excuse and explain and justify the President creating a Republican cabinet and refusing to dispose of Bush appointees, will attack you if you dare to mention Paul in a positive way.
I hope I don't see anyone ever again try to slam any DUer who points out that Paul and one or two other Republicans have been right on some issues. I will be asking them to explain why they see no problem with this Republican cabinet the president is creating.
the hypocrisy of one person around these DU parts who now has a contract with Faux News for commentary (proudly proclaimed it here) while Dennis Kucinich is regularly pilloried because he also has a contract for comments on Faux. Yes...the hypocrisy gets overwhelming sometimes. And, agree the use of "tard" is offensive. But, somehow it's acceptable here these days.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)some time in 2007. What suddenly made them shut-up? Seriously, who had the pull to make Cheney humble?
I knew something was wrong when Pres Obama punched the left in the gut by choosing Rick Warren to say the prayer at his 2008 inauguration. An early shot across the bow.
I knew something was wrong when Gov Dean resigned and Obama appointed Rahm Emanuel as his Chief of Staff. You know Rahm, he who couldnt contain his contempt, if not outright hatred of the left.
These were very early, deliberate, and very clear signs that something was very wrong. And while the apologists have an answer for each and every one, the answers boil down to what one poster said yesterday. I trust Obama. The same thing my brother in law said of Bush in 2002.
By the way, we need to be careful with our criticism of Eric Holder. If he should resign, Pres Obama might appoint Alberto Gonzales.
Corruption Inc
(1,568 posts)I'm not on the fence about it.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Unfortunately ...He's Obama's pick and the only one that Repugs are thought to accept.
I've posted about Toture and Gitmo Prisoners and Drone Strikes and Obama continuing much of this killing policy. So, I wish that Comey wasn't his choice. But, what other choice is there. THEY ALL believe in these policies or they would have been changed after Obama won in 2008. It's what it is. I'm glad ACLU and others are speaking out about it.
Corruption Inc
(1,568 posts)I'm not on the fence about it. What should the other choices be? How about someone who hasn't supported torture?
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)shows that he isn't a good choice.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)BUSH ADMINISTRATION = BAD