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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Thu May 30, 2013, 05:51 PM May 2013

ACLU: "Comey approved some of the worst abuses committed by the Bush administration"

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: 212-549-2666, media@aclu.org

WASHINGTON – Below is a statement from Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, on President Obama's reported plan to nominate James B. Comey as the next director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

"While the ACLU does not take official positions on nominations to appointed office, there are many questions regarding Comey's record that deserve careful scrutiny from the Senate Judiciary Committee. As the second-highest ranked Justice Department official under John Ashcroft, Comey approved some of the worst abuses committed by the Bush administration. Specifically, the publicly available evidence indicates Comey signed off on enhanced interrogation techniques that constitute torture, including waterboarding. He also oversaw the indefinite detention without charge or trial of an American citizen picked up in the United States and then held for years in a military brig. Although Comey, despite tremendous pressure from the Bush White House, deserves credit for courageously stopping the reauthorization of a secret National Security Agency program, he reportedly approved programs that struck at the very core of who we all are as Americans.

"It's critical that the Senate ensures that the men and women of the FBI know that they have a leader who will demand adherence to the rule of law and will hold those accountable who do not, wherever he or she may find them."


http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-possible-nomination-james-b-comey-fbi-director
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ACLU: "Comey approved some of the worst abuses committed by the Bush administration" (Original Post) Luminous Animal May 2013 OP
I am a very strong supporter of President Obama arely staircase May 2013 #1
I am a stronger supporter of the ACLU than I am of Obama, apparently. grasswire May 2013 #15
I am a stronger supporter of the Constitution than I am of either arely staircase May 2013 #18
Flashback: What the new Jim Comey torture emails actually reveal ProSense May 2013 #2
Greenwald's 5/30/13 take:Comey Approved NSA Warrentless Wiretapping NOVA_Dem May 2013 #42
Not just Greenwald but business insider as well Dragonfli May 2013 #52
No wonder Obama wants him. forestpath May 2013 #3
K and R Big time Savannahmann May 2013 #5
+ + + byeya May 2013 #14
+1 LMFAO ...DUzy? L0oniX May 2013 #23
+2 - I 2nd the DUzy! Dragonfli May 2013 #31
Thanks! forestpath May 2013 #44
Thanks! forestpath May 2013 #43
If that lame remark qualifies as a DU'zy Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #93
Sorry it interupted your worship. L0oniX Jun 2013 #94
Case in point. Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #95
You must be missing your high school days. L0oniX Jun 2013 #96
That's not even a decent insult. Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #97
You started this shit with your insult. Hypocrite! L0oniX Jun 2013 #98
lol Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #100
Aw did your alert fail? L0oniX Jun 2013 #101
. Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #102
I don't trust anyone who was part of the Bush admin. nt alsame May 2013 #4
He also donated to both McCain and Romney G_j May 2013 #9
Of course he did. I don't know why some people are alsame May 2013 #10
Obsequious selection. GeorgeGist May 2013 #17
The ACLU lost all credibility when they defended the Citizens United decision. nt Pragdem May 2013 #6
+1 SunSeeker May 2013 #19
No, they didn't. Hissyspit May 2013 #21
+1 for truth L0oniX May 2013 #26
+2 Segami May 2013 #38
I stand with you 'spit. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #49
+1 leftstreet May 2013 #71
Enjoying your stay here? L0oniX May 2013 #24
The ACLU doesn't lose credibility burnodo May 2013 #55
Let's just say they made a misstatement. ucrdem May 2013 #72
Do you know what the position of the ACLU was on Citizens United? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #89
fucking hogwash frylock May 2013 #84
I can't respect anyone who legitimizes torturers. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #7
Oh puke. I didn't vote for this. Is it too much for a 'Democratic' President to look to his own myrna minx May 2013 #8
GOP Presidents are allowed to alsame May 2013 #13
I have been told repeatedly by Sid this is a partisan site and to criticize makes one third party Dragonfli May 2013 #25
Why the hell would anyone give a shit what a foreigner thinks and says? L0oniX May 2013 #47
I Dunno, Sid is like the teflon joker mascot to the authoritarian swooners Dragonfli May 2013 #50
No one is immune from being alerted on ...except the admins. L0oniX May 2013 #64
I have seen that yes, I am the type of guy they might get because I don't bite my tongue Dragonfli May 2013 #66
haven't seen sid for a couple years myself.. frylock May 2013 #85
Then, Dragonfli, you're not doing it right. Le Taz Hot May 2013 #73
Perhaps if I claim American beer is better than Canadian? Dragonfli May 2013 #74
... SidDithers Jun 2013 #87
He's the one who likes all our pretty songs Dragonfli Jun 2013 #104
Sid isnt a Democrat. How the hell does he decide how Democrats act. rhett o rick May 2013 #53
They aren't, your last sentence is correct, politics IS American Idol to them, and idol loyalty Dragonfli May 2013 #59
we used to point and laugh at the repubs when they did the same with bush.. frylock May 2013 #86
Too late now. kentuck May 2013 #11
Actions speak louder than words......... dixiegrrrrl May 2013 #12
When right-wing operatives are appointed to high-level national security positions in a indepat May 2013 #16
More whiny professional lefties out to destroy America, Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #20
It's true! this is a D partisan only site! and if you don't support this REPUBLICAN you are a third Dragonfli May 2013 #28
You forgot racists, we're all racists, too. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #32
That goes without saying, if you don't agree with every single thing a guy's into you hate his race Dragonfli May 2013 #35
Well, well, well.... ReRe May 2013 #22
A team of rivals? Fuddnik May 2013 #27
I thought we had enough Republican rivals in the House and Senate Dragonfli May 2013 #29
I am against a "team of rivals"... ReRe May 2013 #34
That may be true, but since he has an "(R)" after his name, does that really matter? AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #30
Sounds like another Team Player for the Obama Administration! bvar22 May 2013 #33
Nonsense. MannyGoldstein May 2013 #36
Pfft! ProSense May 2013 #37
THANK YOU Skittles May 2013 #39
As acting Attorney General under George W. Bush cheapdate May 2013 #40
Comey was once a hero here. Anyone remember the Ashcroft hospital affair? Canuckistanian May 2013 #41
A bit Awkward as He will now have to stand up to Obama (or more likely not) Dragonfli May 2013 #46
Thank you. Comey Approved the version of the warrantless wiretapping program we learned about. NOVA_Dem May 2013 #54
Good point. Canuckistanian May 2013 #63
why would Comey threaten to quit under Bush.. grasswire May 2013 #45
Hypocrisy? On the part of Comey, Obama, or both? Dragonfli May 2013 #48
ACLU's claim isn't accurate. Comey didn't sign off on torture, Gonzalez did. ucrdem May 2013 #51
He approved the memo in 2004 Dragonfli May 2013 #56
Different issue. nt ucrdem May 2013 #58
As I said, yes, different issue, what he said, and what he actually did, it took you awhile.... Dragonfli May 2013 #61
It took 4 minutes per the timestamps. nt ucrdem May 2013 #65
still counting, you still think he didn't sign off is my guess and still point only at gonzo Dragonfli May 2013 #67
À votre santé. nt ucrdem May 2013 #68
On reread, I was posting about something else- Slange Var /nt Dragonfli May 2013 #75
He ultimately did sign off on torture... Luminous Animal May 2013 #69
Nopity. ucrdem May 2013 #70
Yepity. You need to read all of Greenwald's article Luminous Animal May 2013 #78
You missed GG's switcheroo. ucrdem Jun 2013 #92
Recommended. H2O Man May 2013 #57
Small world ProSense May 2013 #60
I'm on the fence about Comey..but, good for ACLU to try to remind him KoKo May 2013 #62
While I wont give Comey some slack, I do agree that the nomination of rhett o rick May 2013 #77
Reports were that Pritzker wasn't challenged by the Repugs in the hearings.. KoKo May 2013 #80
I am totally discouraged. This is our Democratic President. Where do we go from rhett o rick Jun 2013 #88
Ssshhh! When the President appoints yet another Republican to a powerful position sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #90
And.. KoKo Jun 2013 #91
I knew something was wrong when Cheney and Bush suddenly silenced their hubris-tic bravado rhett o rick Jun 2013 #99
A torturer shouldn't be head of the FBI, or head of anything Corruption Inc May 2013 #79
He's Obama's pick and ACLU and Others are speaking up about it... KoKo May 2013 #81
Torturers shouldn't be in any office regardless of how they get there Corruption Inc May 2013 #82
The fact that we are having this debate Harmony Blue May 2013 #76
There have been debates here about all or most of his picks, though. KoKo May 2013 #83
Rule of Thumb warrprayer Jun 2013 #103

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
1. I am a very strong supporter of President Obama
Thu May 30, 2013, 05:54 PM
May 2013

but I oppose the nomination of anyone who signed off on torture.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
15. I am a stronger supporter of the ACLU than I am of Obama, apparently.
Thu May 30, 2013, 06:39 PM
May 2013

And today is a good day to invest in eternal vigilence at www.aclu.org

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
18. I am a stronger supporter of the Constitution than I am of either
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:13 PM
May 2013

and on this I am with the ACLU (of which I am a member). I thought they were fucked up on citizens united, but that didn't stop me from supporting the ACLU. This won't stop me from supporting Obama. But I hope he loses this nomination fight.

Anyone who signed off on approving torture has NO place in government, period.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
2. Flashback: What the new Jim Comey torture emails actually reveal
Thu May 30, 2013, 06:01 PM
May 2013
What the new Jim Comey torture emails actually reveal

Just as they did with CIA reports on WMDs, Bush officials pressured DOJ lawyers to issue torture-authorizing memos.

By Glenn Greenwald

The New York Times was provided 3 extremely important internal Justice Department emails from April, 2005 (.pdf) – all written by then-Deputy Attorney General Jim Comey — which highlight how the Bush administration’s torture techniques became legally authorized by Bush lawyers. As Marcy Wheeler documents, the leak to the NYT was clearly from someone eager to defend Bush officials by suggesting that Comey’s emails prove that all DOJ lawyers — even those opposed to torture on policy grounds — agreed these techniques were legal, and the NYT reporters, Scott Shane and David Johnston, dutifully do the leakers’ bidding by misleadingly depicting the Comey emails as vindication for Bush/Cheney (Headline: ”U.S. Lawyers Agreed on the Legality of Brutal Tactic”; First Paragraph: ”When Justice Department lawyers engaged in a sharp internal debate in 2005 over brutal interrogation techniques, even some who believed that using tough tactics was a serious mistake agreed on a basic point: the methods themselves were legal”).

I defy anyone to read Comey’s 3 emails and walk away with that conclusion. Marcy has detailed many of the reasons the NYT article is so misleading, so I want to focus on what the Comey emails actually demonstrate about what these DOJ torture memos really are. The primary argument against prosecutions for Bush officials who ordered torture is that DOJ lawyers told the White House that these tactics were legal, and White House officials therefore had the right to rely on those legal opinions. The premise is that White House officials inquired in good faith with the DOJ about what they could and could not do under the law, and only ordered those tactics which the DOJ lawyers told them were legal. As these Comey emails prove, that simply is not what happened.

<...>

What’s most ironic about what the NYT did here is that on the very same day this article appears, there is a column from the NYT Public Editor, Clark Hoyt, excoriating the paper for having published a deeply misleading front page story by Elizabeth Bumiller, that claimed that 1 out of 7 Guantanamo detainees returned to “jihad” once they are released. That happened because Bumiller followed the most common method of modern establishment reporting: she mindlessly repeated what her government sources told her to say. As Hoyt put it:

But the article on which he based that statement was seriously flawed and greatly overplayed. It demonstrated again the dangers when editors run with exclusive leaked material in politically charged circumstances and fail to push back skeptically. The lapse is especially unfortunate at The Times, given its history in covering the run-up to the Iraq war.

That is exactly what Shane and Johnston did with these Comey emails. Just as Bumiller did, they included some contrary facts buried deep in the article about Comey’s objections, but the headline and the way the entire article was framed will create the impression — as intended — that there was unanimity among DOJ lawyers regarding the legality of the Bush interrogation program. Other journalists, too slothful to read the Comey emails themselves, will get the message and go forth and repeat it, and it will soon be conventional wisdom that “everyone” at the DOJ agreed these torture techniques were legal. Already this morning, here is George Stephanopolous’ Twitter reaction to the NYT story:



http://www.salon.com/2009/06/07/torture_memos/

This just goes to show how opinions can differ. I never trusted Comey.

NOVA_Dem

(620 posts)
42. Greenwald's 5/30/13 take:Comey Approved NSA Warrentless Wiretapping
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:22 PM
May 2013
Obama's new FBI chief approved Bush's NSA warrantless wiretapping scheme
James Comey becomes just the latest symbol of the Obama legacy: normalizing what was very recently viewed as radical


It was announced yesterday that this very same James Comey - who as Bush's Deputy Attorney General authorized the once-very-controversial, patently illegal Bush NSA eavesdropping program - is President Obama's choice to be the new Director of the FBI.


In other words, there was something the NSA was doing for years - that we still don't know - even more extreme than the illegal NSA program revealed by the NYT in 2005. It was Comey, along with Ashcroft, Mueller, and Goldsmith, who threatened to resign if it did not stop, and they deserve credit for that. But the reason they didn't end up resigning was because Bush officials "modified" that NSA program into something those lawyers could and did endorse: the still-illegal, still-radical NSA eavesdropping program that spied on the communications of Americans without warrants and in violation of the law.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/30/james-comey-fbi-bush-nsa

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
100. lol
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 01:35 PM
Jun 2013

I see this has been an exercise in futility.

To put it bluntly, your "shit" is a bit lacking in creativity, which probably explains why you thought the remark was DU'zy material in the first place.

At any rate, have at it.



myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
8. Oh puke. I didn't vote for this. Is it too much for a 'Democratic' President to look to his own
Thu May 30, 2013, 06:12 PM
May 2013

party for nominations instead of throwing in with pro-torture Bushies? Watch out Occupy.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
13. GOP Presidents are allowed to
Thu May 30, 2013, 06:33 PM
May 2013

have radical right wing appointments. Democratic presidents have to be bipartisan.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
25. I have been told repeatedly by Sid this is a partisan site and to criticize makes one third party
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:37 PM
May 2013

Even if you are a Registered Democrat (which he himself is not), to not agree with an O appointment makes you a third party hater that needs to be TS'D. The weird part is, to not be "third party" we must support this REPUBLICAN. how does Sid logic makes sense? Even if he is correct about partisan purity and this site, how does that also include supporting Republicans with a hard on for torture?

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
47. Why the hell would anyone give a shit what a foreigner thinks and says?
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:32 PM
May 2013

They are NOT US voters. What are they going to say or do that could ever help? "Oh we have it so much better here because we are smarter than the American idiots"

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
50. I Dunno, Sid is like the teflon joker mascot to the authoritarian swooners
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:36 PM
May 2013

He has gone around insulting, attacking, and ridiculing anyone that is not up to his loyalist expectations for years and word has it he is completely tombstone immune, which appears to be the case.

He is a DU pet of some sort with immunity to tell us how to be American Democrats. I don't understand it either.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
64. No one is immune from being alerted on ...except the admins.
Thu May 30, 2013, 09:04 PM
May 2013

I suspect that there is an alert gang coordinating by using DU mail to go after certain members ...Nadine for one. They will make it a point to look at everything you say to see if they can alert on it ...they also might have a way to select sympathetic and or revengeful members for jury service. How ever it is happening ...there is an effort to shut people up that have opposing views and or exposing bad or flawed Democratic policies and decisions.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
66. I have seen that yes, I am the type of guy they might get because I don't bite my tongue
Thu May 30, 2013, 09:09 PM
May 2013

I tend to bite the fingers poking at me instead. I just post too seldom for them to bother with, but I think they are hovering around manny and a few others looking for something to pounce on.

Seeing Sid is like seeing a vulture around prey the jackals are after, he is a sign they are salivating in close distance.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
85. haven't seen sid for a couple years myself..
Fri May 31, 2013, 05:35 PM
May 2013

ignore feature is one of the best remedies for high blood pressure.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
73. Then, Dragonfli, you're not doing it right.
Thu May 30, 2013, 09:35 PM
May 2013

It took little effort to get him to put me on ignore. Try it. It will make your DU experience MUCH more pleasant. 'Course then the sycophants come in but they're easily handled.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
74. Perhaps if I claim American beer is better than Canadian?
Thu May 30, 2013, 10:03 PM
May 2013

I don't have to believe it and he may hit the ignore button before reading the period at the end of the statement.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
104. He's the one who likes all our pretty songs
Sun Jun 2, 2013, 02:10 AM
Jun 2013

and he likes to sing along, and he likes to shoot his guns...
but he don't know what it means....



 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
53. Sid isnt a Democrat. How the hell does he decide how Democrats act.
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:42 PM
May 2013

I find it interesting that when you ask the Obama Group about policy, they wont answer. They are afraid they might say something that reveals a disagreement with their god. For example, when we were discussing indefinite detention in the NDAA, they would not say whether they supported indefinite detention or not because it wasnt clear how the Pres felt. Ask them about any issue and what they essentially say is, "I trust the Pres and support whatever he does." These are not, IMO, Democrats.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
59. They aren't, your last sentence is correct, politics IS American Idol to them, and idol loyalty
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:56 PM
May 2013

trumps policy and reality to idol worshipers of every variety.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
86. we used to point and laugh at the repubs when they did the same with bush..
Fri May 31, 2013, 05:36 PM
May 2013

now that trait is a fucking virtue around here.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
16. When right-wing operatives are appointed to high-level national security positions in a
Thu May 30, 2013, 06:40 PM
May 2013

Democratic administration, considerable blow-back might be a necessary part of the price to be paid for that privilege.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
20. More whiny professional lefties out to destroy America,
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:25 PM
May 2013

or steal our precious bodily fluids, or something.

Go Blue!

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
28. It's true! this is a D partisan only site! and if you don't support this REPUBLICAN you are a third
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:41 PM
May 2013

partie leftist firebagger hater that supports Rand paul and wants to undermine Democrats. You have to Love Republicans to be a true Democrat or something....

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
35. That goes without saying, if you don't agree with every single thing a guy's into you hate his race
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:59 PM
May 2013

There can of course be no other explanation, that's why I am a racist for opposing that African American pizza guy that tried to run, no doubt about it, only racism can account for my dislike of pizza guy's idiot policy "offerings" or "toppings" or whatever that nonsense was that he was selling.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
22. Well, well, well....
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:31 PM
May 2013
K&R

.... who woulda' thunk it? I was excoriated limb from limb just yesterday right here on DU for not being exactly thrilled over POs choice of Mueller's replacement in the FBI, Mr Comey.

From the beginning, I was not into the "Team of Rivals" sort of cabinet/administration. It may have been what old Honest Abe did, as well as JFK, but we all know what happened to them. We are living in a much different time now. And sure enough, PO hasn't been able to get everything done that Democrats everywhere in this country want and need.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
29. I thought we had enough Republican rivals in the House and Senate
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:48 PM
May 2013

Why, oh why, does our President think we don't have enough rivals and must hire more?

Yesterday the meme was the guy was a champion against warrantless tapping of phones and email, this confused me because Obama supports that same policy. Voted for it, and as president allows it to continue, red herring anyone?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
34. I am against a "team of rivals"...
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:56 PM
May 2013

... not FOR one.

As for picking a few from our side...me too. I would love to see a Democrat win office and fill his/her Administration with DEMOCRATS! Democratic House and Senate. Hey, how many Democrats did GW have in his Adm? No, they had a team of DEVILS.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
30. That may be true, but since he has an "(R)" after his name, does that really matter?
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:51 PM
May 2013

Why can't a President elected as a Democrat find a qualified person other than a Republican?

Why are Republicans, and Republican policies that they supported, so appealing to him? Can't he find some qualified Democrats?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
33. Sounds like another Team Player for the Obama Administration!
Thu May 30, 2013, 07:54 PM
May 2013


Chalk up another one for Team Blue.
AND, we got long term Republican Lincoln Chaffe yesterday!!!
He still believes everything he believed before,
but , for some reason, NOW feels right at home in the New Democrat Centrist Party!!!!

Nonnie...nonnie... hey Hey.
The Republican Party is DEAD!!!!


CENTRISM!!...because it is so damned EASY!
You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING,
and get to insult those who DO!!!

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
40. As acting Attorney General under George W. Bush
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:19 PM
May 2013

Comey refused to certify or 'sign-off" on aspects of the administration's NSA surveillance program -- the legality of which he believed was highly dubious. He threatened to resign over the matter and positively refused to sign-off on it. His refusal led to the pitiful scene in John Ashcroft's hospital room where Andrew Card and Alberto Gonzalez tried to pressure the ailing Ashcroft into approving the controversial (and probably illegal) plan.

I don't know a lot about Comey, but that took guts and principle.

It also seems fairly obvious to me the inherent advantage of having a qualified official who served in the Bush administration in charge of the FBI. It's a question of whether the president would rather spend his remaining time governing, or else spend it in confrontation with the lunatic Republicans in the House.

I'm neither defending nor supporting torture in any way, nor am I defending any role Comey may have had in the awful, shameful conduct of the United States in torturing military prisoners.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
41. Comey was once a hero here. Anyone remember the Ashcroft hospital affair?
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:21 PM
May 2013
In early January 2006, The New York Times, as part of their investigation into alleged domestic surveillance by the National Security Agency, reported that Comey, who was Acting Attorney General during the March 2004 surgical hospitalization of John Ashcroft, refused to "certify" the legality of central aspects of the NSA program at that time. The certification was required under existing White House procedures to continue the program


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_B._Comey

NOVA_Dem

(620 posts)
54. Thank you. Comey Approved the version of the warrantless wiretapping program we learned about.
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:42 PM
May 2013

What Bush was doing was WORSE and Comey wouldn't re-authorize it. The program that had everyone offended is what Comey authorized.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
45. why would Comey threaten to quit under Bush..
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:29 PM
May 2013

...because of the illegality of the proposed law, but sign on to work for Obama who re-authorized that law???

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
51. ACLU's claim isn't accurate. Comey didn't sign off on torture, Gonzalez did.
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:39 PM
May 2013

And evidently Comey urgently advised him not to, even though Gonzo was under heavy pressure from the White House. From an April 28, 2005, Comey e-mail to a Chuck Rosenburg describing a phone call from a Ted Ullyot about an upcoming WH meeting between Gonzo, Rice, Dumya and Darth regarding "interrogations," later published in NYT:



http://static1.firedoglake.com/28/files//2009/06/050427-comey-emails-compressed.pdf

There's more at the link but regarding this particular episode it seems Cheney in particular was muscling the DOJ to sign off on a fig leaf, Gonzo buckled, and Comey explicitly advised him not to. At least that's how it looks to me. Who knows what ACLU's beef is today. It would help if they identified their "publicly available evidence," but they don't:

Specifically, the publicly available evidence indicates Comey signed off on enhanced interrogation techniques that constitute torture, including waterboarding. He also oversaw the indefinite detention without charge or trial of an American citizen picked up in the United States and then held for years in a military brig.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-comment-possible-nomination-james-b-comey-fbi-director


Bottom line: the ACLU memo looks a little fishy. Comey and a Patrick Philbin apparently did NOT approve the techniques and also didn't attend the meeting where Gonzo gave the green light.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
56. He approved the memo in 2004
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:48 PM
May 2013
Bush DOJ's most senior lawyers - Attorney General John Ashcroft, Deputy Attorney General James Comey and OLC chief Jack Goldsmith - approved a legal memorandum in 2004 endorsing radical executive power theories and warped statutory interpretations, concluding that the Bush NSA warrantless eavesdropping program was legal, thus making it more difficult to prosecute the Bush officials who ordered it (even if the Obama DOJ were inclined to prosecute, which they were not).


http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-fbi-chief-backed-nsa-wiretapping-2013-5#ixzz2UpJ5MDNf

You cite emails, talk and emails are cheap, cosigning a legal memorandum endorsing it is more important than an email public relations CYA thing. One is what he DID the other is him saying "I dint like it man".

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
69. He ultimately did sign off on torture...
Thu May 30, 2013, 09:18 PM
May 2013
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/30/james-comey-fbi-bush-nsa

hen there's Comey's mixed and quite murky role in authorizing Bush's torture program. Internal DOJ emails released to the New York Times in 2009 show Comey expressing serious reservations, and even objections, to the willingness of Albert Gonzales to legally authorize any interrogation techniques the White House wanted, and he warned those officials that their involvement would be condemned by history. But even as he did so, Comey, as the New York Times explained, eventually, albeit reluctantly, gave his legal approval to those techniques:

"Previously undisclosed Justice Department e-mail messages, interviews and newly declassified documents show that some of the lawyers, including James B. Comey, the deputy attorney general who argued repeatedly that the United States would regret using harsh methods, went along with a 2005 legal opinion asserting that the techniques used by the Central Intelligence Agency were lawful.

"That opinion, giving the green light for the CIA to use all 13 methods in interrogating terrorism suspects, including waterboarding and up to 180 hours of sleep deprivation, 'was ready to go out and I concurred,' Mr. Comey wrote to a colleague in an April 27, 2005, e-mail message obtained by The New York Times."


As I wrote at the time, the NYT article significantly overstated Comey's role in approving these torture programs. But it is true that he ultimately acquiesced to their legalization.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
78. Yepity. You need to read all of Greenwald's article
Fri May 31, 2013, 10:50 AM
May 2013

The part that you missed:

It’s worth noting that all of the officials involved in these events — including Comey — are right-wing ideologues appointed by George Bush. That’s why they were appointed. The fact that Comey was willing to go along with approval of these tactics when used individually — just as is true of his willingness to endorse a modified version of Bush’s NSA warrantless eavesdropping program in the face of FISA — hardly proves that there was a good-faith basis for the view that these individual tactics were legal.


http://www.salon.com/2009/06/07/torture_memos/

What Comey was unwilling to sign off on was the combined usage of torture on people. What he signed off on was subjecting people to an individual torture technique.


H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
57. Recommended.
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:49 PM
May 2013

I just posted an OP on Comey; I wish I had had this, to link to on it.

Very importantant. Thanks.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
60. Small world
Thu May 30, 2013, 08:56 PM
May 2013
Inquiry Focuses on Commuted Sentences for 4 New Yorkers

By BENJAMIN WEISER

The federal authorities in Manhattan are investigating whether there were any violations of the law in President Bill Clinton's decision to commute the sentences of four Hasidic men who were convicted of defrauding the government of tens of millions of dollars, people familiar with the investigation said.

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Spokesmen for the United States attorney in Manhattan, Mary Jo White, and for the F.B.I. had no comment.

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Senator Clinton's press secretary, Karen Dunn, said yesterday, ''Senator Clinton has spoken about these commutations on several occasions, and we do not have anything to add at this time.''

In her past statements, Mrs. Clinton has denied any participation in the commutations, saying last month: ''I did not play any role whatsoever. I had no opinion about it.''

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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/24/us/inquiry-focuses-on-commuted-sentences-for-4-new-yorkers.html


Prosecutors Clear Clintons In Clemency of 4 Hasidic Men

By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD

Federal prosecutors said yesterday that no criminal wrongdoing was committed when President Bill Clinton commuted the sentences of four swindlers from a Hasidic enclave in New York State that voted overwhelmingly for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

James B. Comey, the United States attorney for the Southern District of New York, said in a two-sentence statement that he had closed his investigation of clemency granted to the four men from New Square, N.Y.

Mr. Comey said he would continue the investigation into the more than 170 other pardons and clemencies Mr. Clinton granted on his last day of office, including the one that has drawn the most ire: a pardon for the financier Marc Rich, a commodities trader who fled the country in 1983.

The New Square case also drew attention because of its mix of the Clintons, New York ethnic politics and suggestions of vote-trading.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/21/us/prosecutors-clear-clintons-in-clemency-of-4-hasidic-men.html


KoKo

(84,711 posts)
62. I'm on the fence about Comey..but, good for ACLU to try to remind him
Thu May 30, 2013, 09:00 PM
May 2013

that they are watching. And that while I might applaud his actions at Ashcroft's bedside incident...I think he might be a different person after his time at that Hedge Fund and like most of Obama's appointees ...he might have become a Tool for the 1%.

So..while I'm more angry about Penny Pritzker's Nomination for head of Commerce Department...I'm inclined to give Comey some slack..but, he needs to be held accountable to more than Obama... He needs to be held accountable for his past and present associations...even though he did one good deed...it doesn't mean he isn't as compromised as the rest of the appointees have been who work for the 1% and not us.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
77. While I wont give Comey some slack, I do agree that the nomination of
Fri May 31, 2013, 12:15 AM
May 2013

Penny Pritzker is a huge slap in the face of the 99%. Penny Pritzker is Mit Romney with a D after her name.

It will be interesting to see if the Republicans will do with the nomination of Ms. Pritzker. After all she totally represents Republican values but she was nominated by Obama.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
80. Reports were that Pritzker wasn't challenged by the Repugs in the hearings..
Fri May 31, 2013, 03:54 PM
May 2013

Bloomberg Business report thought that was surprising. So...I'm worried that the Repugs like her, too...because they are in favor of the policies she will advocate at Commerce. And, she must have a big agenda if she's giving up her Board Memberships and some of her Trust Fund accounts activities.

With Comey...I sort of go along with H20man's opinion. He's not the best, but not the worst and he's about what we could expect.

Jason Furman and Penny Pritzger...are pretty much indefensible. Except that one is a "President Maker" and the other a DC insider who served Clinton, Kerry and even Wes Clark in his campaign. He's connected ...a "Free Trader Advocate" and he's got his own trust fund from his Wealthy Family. He thinks Wall Mart is Progressive...and thinks Universal Health Care is allowing more insurance companies into the market for competition to get the poor care.

It's all bad and discouraging to me. But, I imagine that there will be many here who feel these choices are excellent...because this President is doing it and not Bush or Romney...

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
88. I am totally discouraged. This is our Democratic President. Where do we go from
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 12:13 AM
Jun 2013

here? I dont think Mrs. Clinton will do us any better.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
90. Ssshhh! When the President appoints yet another Republican to a powerful position
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 12:31 AM
Jun 2013

you are supposed to find ways to excuse it, to explain it, to justify it. Republicans are okay when the president appoints them.

However, and I'm telling you this for your own good, if you ever, ever dare to even whisper that Ron Paul opposes the Drug War and opposed Bush's wars and refused to fund them, you will be accused of being a 'Paultard', a disgusting and insulting to the mentally ill, insult. You will be accused of supporting Republicans and it will be suggested that you go join FR.

The president however, no matter how many Republicans he appoints to powerful positions will never be accused of anything but the most honorable motives.

How many Republicans do we have now in this 'democratic' administration? Is the president a 'bushtard' for keeping Bush appointees, like Bernanke, like Gates, now Comey and how many others? Of COURSE not.

But remember, never, ever point out that YOU, like the president apparently, see that some Republicans, like Ron Paul eg who worked with Democrats like Alan Grayson and Dennis Kucinich, have from time to time opposed right wing policies.

Yes, I know, there is so much hypocrisy going around, but you are not supposed to notice it. The very same people who will, once again for the umpteenth time now, excuse and explain and justify the President creating a Republican cabinet and refusing to dispose of Bush appointees, will attack you if you dare to mention Paul in a positive way.

I hope I don't see anyone ever again try to slam any DUer who points out that Paul and one or two other Republicans have been right on some issues. I will be asking them to explain why they see no problem with this Republican cabinet the president is creating.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
91. And..
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 10:45 AM
Jun 2013

the hypocrisy of one person around these DU parts who now has a contract with Faux News for commentary (proudly proclaimed it here) while Dennis Kucinich is regularly pilloried because he also has a contract for comments on Faux. Yes...the hypocrisy gets overwhelming sometimes. And, agree the use of "tard" is offensive. But, somehow it's acceptable here these days.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
99. I knew something was wrong when Cheney and Bush suddenly silenced their hubris-tic bravado
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 01:00 PM
Jun 2013

some time in 2007. What suddenly made them shut-up? Seriously, who had the pull to make Cheney humble?

I knew something was wrong when Pres Obama punched the left in the gut by choosing Rick Warren to say the prayer at his 2008 inauguration. An early shot across the bow.

I knew something was wrong when Gov Dean resigned and Obama appointed Rahm Emanuel as his Chief of Staff. You know Rahm, he who couldnt contain his contempt, if not outright hatred of the left.

These were very early, deliberate, and very clear signs that something was very wrong. And while the apologists have an answer for each and every one, the answers boil down to what one poster said yesterday. “I trust Obama.” The same thing my brother in law said of Bush in 2002.

By the way, we need to be careful with our criticism of Eric Holder. If he should resign, Pres Obama might appoint Alberto Gonzales.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
81. He's Obama's pick and ACLU and Others are speaking up about it...
Fri May 31, 2013, 04:04 PM
May 2013

Unfortunately ...He's Obama's pick and the only one that Repugs are thought to accept.

I've posted about Toture and Gitmo Prisoners and Drone Strikes and Obama continuing much of this killing policy. So, I wish that Comey wasn't his choice. But, what other choice is there. THEY ALL believe in these policies or they would have been changed after Obama won in 2008. It's what it is. I'm glad ACLU and others are speaking out about it.

 

Corruption Inc

(1,568 posts)
82. Torturers shouldn't be in any office regardless of how they get there
Fri May 31, 2013, 04:10 PM
May 2013

I'm not on the fence about it. What should the other choices be? How about someone who hasn't supported torture?

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