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(661 posts)
Fri May 31, 2013, 11:18 AM May 2013

Top Obama Adviser: Wal-Mart is a "progressive success story"

Hope he isn't the next Larry Summers

Bloomberg reported late yesterday that President Obama plans to nominate Harvard economist Jason Furman as his next head of his Council of Economic Advisers.

This would be very bad news for progressives because of Furman’s advocacy for right-wing policies. Here’s five reasons why Furman shouldn’t be Obama’s top economic adviser: [...]

He Supports Wal-Mart’s Anti-Worker Practices:
Furman wrote an article calling Wal-Mart a “progressive success story,” and praised the “progressive benefits of everyday low prices” — which are subsidized by the low wages of not only its American workforce but Chinese workers in factories earning as little as $120 a month. He said that the”mere fact that more than 1.3 million Americans work at Wal-Mart demonstrates that its compensation is at least as good as the alternatives” — despite the fact data shows that the company’s workers earn “12.4% less than retail workers as a whole and 13% less than large retail workers in general.” He dismissed criticism from progressives, saying, “Some have pointed to Costco (which has higher wages and more generous benefits), arguing that if Wal-Mart were more generous with its employees it would do better at attracting, motivating, and retaining them, increasing its total profits. I have no ability to judge whether or not this is true, although given the choice I would trust Wal-Mart to know more about maximizing profits and shareholder value than its critics.” Recall that it would only cost Wal-Mart $12 per shopper per year to pay all of its employees a living wage.

Read more: http://boldprogressives.org/2013/05/the-top-5-reasons-jason-furman-shouldnt-be-obamas-top-economic-adviser/
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Makes you want to just Newest Reality May 2013 #1
"Progressive" as a word has now become popular....... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #78
Hope this alleged appointment is only a rumor. Everyone but this guy knows Walmart sucks brush Jun 2013 #106
Oh, this is my video reply to that: Newest Reality May 2013 #2
From the excellent movie called the Grove Tube WCGreen May 2013 #52
Ken Shapiro's Groove Tube navarth May 2013 #54
This Fella, Sir, Needs To Put In Some Honest Work.... The Magistrate May 2013 #3
Better, hitch him up to a mule and a plow so he can at least grow some food. callous taoboy May 2013 #27
+1 Jack Rabbit May 2013 #64
Thank You, My Friend The Magistrate May 2013 #77
Shameful. Brickbat May 2013 #4
I'm never surprised by his appointments. Disappointed, but never surprised. liberal_at_heart May 2013 #5
I found the first gang pretty surprising. Since then just more disgust. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #10
Well he did appoint a former Wallmart board member to be Secretary of State... n/t PoliticAverse May 2013 #26
why, yes, yes, he did! +1000 nt antigop May 2013 #38
REALLY,WALLY WORLD ????- ruffburr May 2013 #6
Sounds even more repulsive than Summers. nt alsame May 2013 #7
Just more proof that people in Washington have no fucking clue Marrah_G May 2013 #8
I think they stay out of touch on purpose. Rex May 2013 #9
when one side consistenly wins.... markiv May 2013 #66
This statement alone should disqualify him from even being considered for this position: sabrina 1 May 2013 #11
+1 Scuba May 2013 #12
+1000 noiretextatique May 2013 #15
Hell, I'm beginning to think THIS phrase should disqualify him tularetom May 2013 #30
I'm beginning to wonder if there are any real Dems in office anymore. L0oniX May 2013 #31
Say WHAT?! MindPilot May 2013 #42
Thank you. This week has been demoralizing. myrna minx Jun 2013 #92
Pathetic . . . . hatrack May 2013 #13
Well at least they qualify for food stamp (Walmart) subsidies ...from us tax payers. L0oniX May 2013 #32
A lot of people ProSense May 2013 #14
Sounds like a Team Player who will fit right in! bvar22 May 2013 #21
Yeah, what's ProSense May 2013 #25
Speaking of "Cherry Picking"... bvar22 May 2013 #29
Yes, ProSense May 2013 #36
You are correct, NCTraveler May 2013 #34
it's just so common now, his penchant for corporate whores Skittles May 2013 #75
Based on that background, it seems not only likely he still believes it but has doubled-down on it. Chan790 May 2013 #45
No that isn't "the question." Nice try at reframing, though. Maven May 2013 #74
Has Krugman been nominated for any powerful positions in this administration? sabrina 1 May 2013 #82
HA HA OH BOY HA HA blkmusclmachine May 2013 #16
I dont think progressive means what he thinks it means.... bowens43 May 2013 #17
progressive = regressive? L0oniX May 2013 #35
As I said above, it's become a popular word.......... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #79
Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. Can't write comedy like this. Safetykitten May 2013 #18
Surely there cannot be any lucid defense of Obama's picks like this, even from djean111 May 2013 #19
Oh, I don't know about that tularetom May 2013 #37
Obama's clown car of shit nominations is truly a bottomless pit of suck MotherPetrie May 2013 #20
And he doesn't even have the decency to profit personally from these shit nominations. Orsino May 2013 #50
I think he is in for a rude awakening... bvar22 May 2013 #61
someone better wake him up glinda Jun 2013 #86
That's "progressive" in the same sense as "Progressive Policy Insitute", right? JHB May 2013 #22
at least Obama is into recycling G_j May 2013 #23
He also took a WalMart foundation head as a cabinet member nt Report1212 May 2013 #24
Our government is corporate corrupted from stem to stern. HughBeaumont May 2013 #28
Ahem.... muntrv May 2013 #33
The quote: "I have no ability to judge whether or not this is true..." is amazing! demwing May 2013 #39
Sadly, he's right about Wal Mart knowing how to maximize profits :( arcane1 May 2013 #53
Actually, no. He's dead wrong demwing May 2013 #55
Except he forgot to finish that observation. Wal Mart knows how to maiximize profits at the sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #95
Let's face it people. We've been had. Fuddnik May 2013 #40
nu-dems don't know progressive from shinola.. frylock May 2013 #41
Awesome appointment! NOT. blackspade May 2013 #43
BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!....... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #80
Exactly. blackspade May 2013 #83
What is this? Another Bushie in the Obama administration? Jack Rabbit May 2013 #44
He has been an economic adviser to Clinton, Kerry and was Obama's economic adviser for his 2008 okaawhatever May 2013 #60
If you hear anything that justifies this fellow's position in this administration, please pass it on Jack Rabbit May 2013 #63
that's more an indictment of Kerry and Clinton, than markiv May 2013 #72
Please do. We have so many Republicans now in the Obama Administration it would sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #96
"Centrists" support Republican economic positions? HughBeaumont Jun 2013 #109
these appointments reflect the true values of the person appointing nt msongs May 2013 #46
+1 forestpath May 2013 #69
The Presidents appointments have been crap from the get go IMHO. xtraxritical May 2013 #47
I support Wal-Mart's anti-worker practices too! Generic Other May 2013 #48
well 3 cheers for the right to work advocates florida08 May 2013 #49
yeah heaven05 May 2013 #51
Why do they keep putting RWing assholes in key positions? Rex May 2013 #56
same reason Clinton implemented Bush Sr's Globalist free trade plan markiv May 2013 #70
can you say PLUTOCRACY? Skittles May 2013 #76
Just another day in Yeswecanville. Hope and change cardboard cutout sales job. SaveOurDemocracy May 2013 #57
progressive compared to what? gejohnston May 2013 #58
Well isn't that special! City Lights May 2013 #59
Well...He's not in Govt. Service for the Money...He's "well funded." KoKo May 2013 #62
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #65
the most prolific con job in human history, is.... markiv May 2013 #67
A typically repulsive Obama choice. Are there any other kind? forestpath May 2013 #68
I rest my case warrprayer May 2013 #71
so is this Hope, or Change? markiv May 2013 #73
Chump Change for All ! The “progressive benefits of everyday low prices” lunasun Jun 2013 #104
Maybe … 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #81
Good Lord in Heaven! What is wrong with this guy? TheKentuckian May 2013 #84
Yet people like Van Jones get tossed under the bus. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #85
It's Sad I'm Hardly Surprised colsohlibgal Jun 2013 #87
Lets all just trust Wal Mart...they know whats best surely. nt BootinUp Jun 2013 #88
He even looks like a complete tool PowerToThePeople Jun 2013 #89
every day a little bit harder to support obama dembotoz Jun 2013 #90
Compared to what? Bangladesh sweat shops? CanonRay Jun 2013 #91
For the Clintons Octafish Jun 2013 #93
"Harvard economist" - that says it all for me. . . DinahMoeHum Jun 2013 #94
They all learned from Martin Feldstein, one of Reagan's right-hand men. HughBeaumont Jun 2013 #110
Gag. Me. n/t Lugnut Jun 2013 #97
How much evidence do I need to see that Obama is a corporatist newmember Jun 2013 #98
If he 'has no ability to judge whether' Costco's success is based on fair treatment of employees blm Jun 2013 #99
I see your problem,right there. Rain Mcloud Jun 2013 #100
I wish this was surprising. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #101
This "Team of Rivals" thing is becoming more like "Sleeping with the Enemy." DirkGently Jun 2013 #102
This is exactly why progressives must distance themselves from Obama; grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #103
Wow...anyone else chervilant Jun 2013 #105
Do we understand now? woo me with science Jun 2013 #107
Jared Bernstein: Jason Furman to Chair the CEA? ProSense Jun 2013 #108
Lord of the Rings come to life. mick063 Jun 2013 #111
$12 per shopper per year to provide decent wages? That's kind of how Costco does it. thesquanderer Jun 2013 #112

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
1. Makes you want to just
Fri May 31, 2013, 11:20 AM
May 2013

drop and roll as if you were on fire, ey?

The Brown-25 flows in thick rivers to our eyes and ears and progressive means something new now?

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
78. "Progressive" as a word has now become popular.......
Fri May 31, 2013, 07:20 PM
May 2013

The stigma is gone from it and, voila, you'll see a LOT of RW, neo-liberal economic policies dressed up in "progressive" duds.

Don't forget the ruling class are VERY good at this. They've always known how to take populist phrases and slogans and usurp them for their own needs.

brush

(53,871 posts)
106. Hope this alleged appointment is only a rumor. Everyone but this guy knows Walmart sucks
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 01:18 PM
Jun 2013

It's business model has been proven to not work. Profits are way down, they can't keep goods on their shelf, morale is low because of the low wages, and Costco, which pays it's workers 3 times as much, is booming and doing quite well.

What comes around goes around for those selfish and greedy Walmart heirs who rake in billions while refusing pay their workers a living wage.

If that advisor thinks Walmark is a success story, and the President appoints him, we're in even more trouble.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
54. Ken Shapiro's Groove Tube
Fri May 31, 2013, 02:26 PM
May 2013

Wonderful movie, predates any of the 'airplane' movies. With a young Richard Belzer and Chevy Chase!! Shapiro went on to make 'Modern Problems' which I think deserved waaaaay more attention. I wonder where Ken Shapiro is now......

The Magistrate

(95,255 posts)
3. This Fella, Sir, Needs To Put In Some Honest Work....
Fri May 31, 2013, 11:23 AM
May 2013

A few years digging ditches on two plates of thin soup a day, supervised by people completely indifferent to whether he lives or dies, would work wonders for his attitude....

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
9. I think they stay out of touch on purpose.
Fri May 31, 2013, 11:36 AM
May 2013

I gave up on them after it was announced that 250k is considered a middle class income. Obviously if they had to pay attention, it would mean doing something positive for the People and we can't have that. Just more fealty to the Mc Corporations.

This love affair with Wall Street is grotesque.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. This statement alone should disqualify him from even being considered for this position:
Fri May 31, 2013, 11:44 AM
May 2013
“Some have pointed to Costco (which has higher wages and more generous benefits), arguing that if Wal-Mart were more generous with its employees it would do better at attracting, motivating, and retaining them, increasing its total profits. I have no ability to judge whether or not this is true


He's a 'faith based economist'. He goes on to say that though he has no ability, and apparently no interest, in doing the math, he would 'trust Walmart to know more about maximizing profits'. Oh, so would I. Profits from slave labor are as old as the hills.




'Elect more democrats'. We did, but from now on I for one will be looking to see if electing more Democrats becomes a back door into restoring more Republicans or Third Wayers to positions of power.

Are there no Democrats in this country who could fill these positions? If I had wanted to elect Republicans I would being working to do that. But I don't think all of those worked so hard to put Democrats in power did so in order to create a back door for Republicans to take over these powerful positions. Or Third Wayers which is pretty much the same thing.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
42. Say WHAT?!
Fri May 31, 2013, 01:23 PM
May 2013

Look, dude, if you are advising the president on economic matters, being able to make informed judgments about things like that is a BASIC QUALIFICATION FOR YOUR FUCKING JOB!!

Sorry about the shouting, but this is like a pilot saying "I'm not really sure if I know how to fly".

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
92. Thank you. This week has been demoralizing.
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 09:06 AM
Jun 2013

I didn't vote for the Bushies, yet they've found a joyful back-slapping place in a Democratic administration.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
13. Pathetic . . . .
Fri May 31, 2013, 11:52 AM
May 2013

Yuppers, an abundance of cheap, shoddy shit from China more than makes up for living wages, health insurance or the companies that have gone out of business thanks to Wal-Mart's preference for outsourcing and sweated labor.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
14. A lot of people
Fri May 31, 2013, 11:52 AM
May 2013

"Top Obama Adviser: Wal-Mart is a "progressive success story""

...have said stupid things in the past. The question is does he still believe this?

<...>

When Mr. Furman first took a job with the Obama administration, he received some criticism from the left. Some liberals questioned his ties to Mr. Rubin, a centrist. Labor leaders denounced him for a 2005 paper calling Walmart a “progressive success story.” Mr. Furman argued that poorer families benefited disproportionately from the chain’s low prices. “Even if you grant that Walmart hurts workers in the retail sector — and the evidence for this is far from clear — the magnitude of any potential harm is small in comparison,” he wrote.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/business/economy/furman-is-expected-to-lead-economic-advisers.html


From a 2006 piece by Furman:

Where do these low prices come from? Paul Krugman, writing back in 1993, provides an answer: "The most significant American business success story of the late 20th century may well be Wal-Mart, which has applied extensive computerization and a home-grown version of Japan's 'just in time' inventory methods to revolutionize retailing." Many economists didn't expect the service sector to contribute much to productivity. Many non-economists still have a hard time believing it has. But Harvard economist Ken Rogoff has the numbers, and they are mind boggling:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/dialogues/features/2006/is_walmart_good_for_the_american_working_class/the_low_prices_are_good_news.html


Looks like he bought into the austerity (Rogoff) nonsense. Still, he has an interesting background.

Furman graduated from The Dalton School in 1988. In 1996, while he was a graduate student at Harvard, Furman was hired by economist Joseph Stiglitz to serve a one-year stint as Special Assistant to the President for Economic Policy in the Clinton Administration and on staff of the Council of Economic Advisers. He later worked with Stiglitz at the World Bank. Furman was involved to varying degrees with the Presidential campaigns of Al Gore and General Wesley Clark. In 2004, he took a position as Director of Economic Policy for the John Kerry Presidential campaign in 2004.

Furman received an MSc from the London School of Economics and a Ph.D. in economics from Harvard University. Also at Harvard, Furman earned a bachelor's in social studies and a master's in government. He has worked with former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Furman



bvar22

(39,909 posts)
21. Sounds like a Team Player who will fit right in!
Fri May 31, 2013, 12:30 PM
May 2013

More about Furman:

*He’s An Advocate Of Job-Killing “Free Trade” Deals

*He Wants To Lower Corporate Taxes

*He Supports The Chained CPI Benefit Cut To Social Security

(...and THIS is the Icing on the 1% Cake)
*He Is An Advocate For A “Jobs Plan” Based On Unpaid Internships
Furman, serving as a White House economist, pushed Obama to adopt a jobs plan that would ask the unemployed to work as unpaid corporate interns.

http://boldprogressives.org/2013/05/the-top-5-reasons-jason-furman-shouldnt-be-obamas-top-economic-adviser/

YEP.
Fit RIGHT in.

Which way to the Mission Accomplished parade?


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their promises or excuses.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
25. Yeah, what's
Fri May 31, 2013, 12:42 PM
May 2013

"Sounds like a Team Player who will fit right in!"

...the point of being outraged at the nominees. It's Obama's call.

As for the "unpaid internships," this debate was had before, and it's simply impossible to always counter cherry picking.

President Obama recently announced two major jobs initiatives.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002166993

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
29. Speaking of "Cherry Picking"...
Fri May 31, 2013, 12:57 PM
May 2013

Don't you have anything to say about:

*Supporting the Chained CPI

or

*Advocate for MORE Anti-American Worker "Free Trade"

OR

*Wants to LOWER Corporate Taxes


Ya just gotta love it when a Cherry Picker attacks Cherry Picking
by Picking Cherries.

Thanks, Pro.
Just made my day.


You will know them by their WORKS.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
36. Yes,
Fri May 31, 2013, 01:05 PM
May 2013
Don't you have anything to say about:

*Supporting the Chained CPI

or

*Advocate for MORE Anti-American Worker "Free Trade"

OR

*Wants to LOWER Corporate Taxes


...I said it here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2927323), It's Obama's call.

My point was specifally about the text you highlighted here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2927259)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
34. You are correct,
Fri May 31, 2013, 01:05 PM
May 2013

"Yeah, what's the point of being outraged at the nominees. It's Obama's call."

it is a reflection on Obama. I don't see much outrage here. Most seem to expect it.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
45. Based on that background, it seems not only likely he still believes it but has doubled-down on it.
Fri May 31, 2013, 01:41 PM
May 2013

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
82. Has Krugman been nominated for any powerful positions in this administration?
Fri May 31, 2013, 09:10 PM
May 2013

I can think of a few economists who GOT IT RIGHT from the beginning. Since when did cabinet positions become rehab for people who did NOT get it right?

How about someone like Dean Baker, or Stiglitz eg? Do we have to search for Republicans or Third Wayers (pretty much the same thing) to fill these positions? Don't you get tired of trying to defend a Democratic Administration who was elected because we wanted to GET RID of Republicans, who seems unable to find Democrats to fill these positions??

Is the Republican Party more qualified than the Democratic Party to rule this country? That is what this says to me, each time we get another Republican, like Comey or Gates or any number of other Republicans chosen by this president, I have to choose between believing that we have no Democrat who are qualified for high office OR, we have a Democrat who has no faith in his own party.

Why are you talking about Krugman? I am willing to bet that if he was nominated by this president you would not be posting these links. You would be ignoring his past 'errors'.

Let's start all over here. Electing Democrats doesn't seem to be doing the job when it has come to mean creating a back door to restore the losing party to power.

So now what? How can we ensure that when we elect Democrats we GET Democrats? Got any ideas?

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
79. As I said above, it's become a popular word..........
Fri May 31, 2013, 07:27 PM
May 2013

Look for it to be the adjective of choice for the ruling class until it STOPS being useful again. Watch for it. All sorts of neo-liberal economic bullshit will now be framed as "progressive".

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
19. Surely there cannot be any lucid defense of Obama's picks like this, even from
Fri May 31, 2013, 12:21 PM
May 2013

his most devoted fans and worshipers.
So - looks like, from a progressive or liberal standpoint, most elected Democrats are really corporate Republicans, and elected Republicans are horrid.
And this is one agenda that I do not care to enable or further by voting in another corporate toady. I will not.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
37. Oh, I don't know about that
Fri May 31, 2013, 01:11 PM
May 2013

You don't have to look very far to find defenders of the President selecting corporate slimeballs.

They are right here on this thread.

And the verbal gymnastics they employ will make you

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
50. And he doesn't even have the decency to profit personally from these shit nominations.
Fri May 31, 2013, 02:07 PM
May 2013

What the fuck? He's not a Bush or Cheney, joined to CEOs at the hip since birth.

Doesn't he aspire to anything better in his nominations?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
61. I think he is in for a rude awakening...
Fri May 31, 2013, 02:58 PM
May 2013

...when he shows up at their Country Club after his 2nd term is over,
and the STILL won't let him in.

JHB

(37,162 posts)
22. That's "progressive" in the same sense as "Progressive Policy Insitute", right?
Fri May 31, 2013, 12:30 PM
May 2013

Y'know, as in "third way", "centrist", and "pro-business" rather than "liberal", correct?

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
28. Our government is corporate corrupted from stem to stern.
Fri May 31, 2013, 12:55 PM
May 2013

Even though we WANT to be a progressive country, we never will be. I just feel ubiquitous corporate influence has put the game out of our reach and beyond repair.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
39. The quote: "I have no ability to judge whether or not this is true..." is amazing!
Fri May 31, 2013, 01:15 PM
May 2013

“Some have pointed to Costco (which has higher wages and more generous benefits), arguing that if Wal-Mart were more generous with its employees it would do better at attracting, motivating, and retaining them, increasing its total profits. I have no ability to judge whether or not this is true, although given the choice I would trust Wal-Mart to know more about maximizing profits and shareholder value than its critics.”

If he has no ability to judge this BASIC progressive economic principle, then why the hell is he commenting on it, and why the hell is he being nominated as the next head of the Council of Economic Advisers?

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
55. Actually, no. He's dead wrong
Fri May 31, 2013, 02:41 PM
May 2013

Otherwise why would Costco be experiencing growth while Walmart is in decline?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
95. Except he forgot to finish that observation. Wal Mart knows how to maiximize profits at the
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 10:07 AM
Jun 2013

expense of human lives. But perhaps he doesn't care about human lives.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
43. Awesome appointment! NOT.
Fri May 31, 2013, 01:34 PM
May 2013

Could Obama appoint someone who actually understands the effects of capitalism on the working class? Maybe Richard Wolfe?

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
80. BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!.......
Fri May 31, 2013, 07:32 PM
May 2013
Wolfe is a Marxist. Or sort of a Marxist. It ain't gonna happen. Well, short of a revolution that is.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
44. What is this? Another Bushie in the Obama administration?
Fri May 31, 2013, 01:36 PM
May 2013

White kind of idiot would utter Wal-Mart and progressive in the same affirmative statement?

Wal-Mart is a parasite on American society. It needs to be eradicated by a widespread consumer boycott or disinfected with organized workers.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
60. He has been an economic adviser to Clinton, Kerry and was Obama's economic adviser for his 2008
Fri May 31, 2013, 02:53 PM
May 2013

campaign. He also worked at the Brookings Institute. He is centrist, but definately not right leaning. I keep hearing this story, but I keep seeing just this one story about Wal Mart. I want to see what else is out there. If I find something good i'll pass it on.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
63. If you hear anything that justifies this fellow's position in this administration, please pass it on
Fri May 31, 2013, 03:52 PM
May 2013

Thanks in advance.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
96. Please do. We have so many Republicans now in the Obama Administration it would
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 10:10 AM
Jun 2013

nice to hear something good for a change. Are there any actual progressive Democrats in this administration at all?

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
109. "Centrists" support Republican economic positions?
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 03:01 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002426928

Pro Free Trade? Thinks MalWart's a progressive success story? Supports cutting benefits? Wants to lower corporate taxes????

How is this guy not right leaning? Those are all fairy tale bullshit positions supported by the "Defenders of the Faith-Based".

Brookings isn't exactly a bastion of progressive thought, either . . . .

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
48. I support Wal-Mart's anti-worker practices too!
Fri May 31, 2013, 01:56 PM
May 2013

I support the workers who apply for free or reduced school lunches, Section 8 rental assistance, federal tax credits and deductions for low-income heads of households with a child,
state children's health insurance programs, low-income energy assistance, Medicaid, foodstamps. I also support corporate subsidies, tax evasion, slave labor in third world countries.

"Progressive success story" my ass.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
51. yeah
Fri May 31, 2013, 02:19 PM
May 2013

mr. potus and his administration has proven to be a HUGE disappointment to me. All that I know now is that the monied rightwing has total control of this country and ALL it's political mechanisms. Our system of government is not for the people or even by the people anymore. good luck god bless amerikkka americans. I will never vote again.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
56. Why do they keep putting RWing assholes in key positions?
Fri May 31, 2013, 02:48 PM
May 2013

I guess it would kill the WH to put a liberal in charge of something. Great, just what we needed - another RWing freemarket asshole to fuck up things for the working class. Gee, thanks.

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
70. same reason Clinton implemented Bush Sr's Globalist free trade plan
Fri May 31, 2013, 04:16 PM
May 2013

you're electing the same guy, no matter who he (or she) is

SaveOurDemocracy

(4,400 posts)
57. Just another day in Yeswecanville. Hope and change cardboard cutout sales job.
Fri May 31, 2013, 02:48 PM
May 2013

Masterful marketing campaign; a real buzzword bonanza.



KoKo

(84,711 posts)
62. Well...He's not in Govt. Service for the Money...He's "well funded."
Fri May 31, 2013, 03:39 PM
May 2013

This is the best I could find about him. He seems to have served Democratic Presidents and even Wes Clark (some DU'ers will love that).

And, he doesn't need the money. But, what worries me is that he's had such a privileged life if would make sense he wouldn't really know that much about Walmart's policies towards workers. A quote from another article about him said he thought their policy of "low prices" when workers were struggling with low wages was a good idea. That's why he made the comment that "Walmart" is Progressive. He also advocated for Health Insurance for all by allowing more insurance companies to get in the business to provide varied policies for all. So...you can kind of see where he comes from. He's Progressive ...but, in a way the 99% might not be thinking of as Progressive.

------------
From Bloomberg Business Report:

In Obama’s second term, Furman has played a public role in warning about the impact of the $1.2 trillion in automatic budget gets that began to go into effect March 1.

The cuts “will have macroeconomic consequences, cost hundreds of thousands of jobs across the country and jobs throughout the private sector,” Furman said a White House briefing on Feb. 25.

The job’s salary of $191,300 a year will supplement income Furman receives from the Jason Furman Trust, which has $5 million to $25 million in assets, according to Furman’s 2009 financial disclosure reports. Furman listed another account in the $5 million to $25 million range on his disclosure.

The grandson of Morris Furman, a New York City real-estate developer, Furman went to Dalton, a private high school in New York City, before receiving his B.A. at Harvard in 1992.


In the 2004 presidential campaign he worked for retired General Wesley Clark and then-senator John Kerry, who became the Democratic Party’s nominee to challenge President George W. Bush.

To contact the reporter on this story: Hans Nichols in Washington at hnichols2@bloomberg.net

Response to Report1212 (Original post)

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
67. the most prolific con job in human history, is....
Fri May 31, 2013, 04:04 PM
May 2013

the 'great guy' who just happens to have a bunch of meanies under him

 

markiv

(1,489 posts)
73. so is this Hope, or Change?
Fri May 31, 2013, 04:21 PM
May 2013

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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
81. Maybe …
Fri May 31, 2013, 09:00 PM
May 2013

Folks should read the actual article where he discusses “walmart/progressive”; rather than just the OP on Furman’s calling walmart progressive. Something should jump out at you … Hint: The are political (e.g., related to government/governance) and economic (e.g., related to business models) definitions of the term “progressive”, just as there are political and economic definitions of the term “conservative.”

Guess how Furman (the economist) is using the term ... And oh yeah, one is, contextually, unrelated to the other.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
87. It's Sad I'm Hardly Surprised
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 12:57 AM
Jun 2013

I can't wait to hear the rationalizing from his loyal to the end supporters, for which he can do no wrong. Not a lot different than the die hard Dubya apologists - not that I'm saying Obama is anywhere near the incompetent boob and Cheney hand puppet Dubya was.

I've heard a few liberal voices call Obama a Rockefeller republican and that's a close match.

If Obama ever governed like he said he was going to govern while running we'd be in better shape. But, alas, he's not come close.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
89. He even looks like a complete tool
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 01:24 AM
Jun 2013

Not to be prejudiced on looks (too late for that I guess), but he appears to be the complete loser that his statements prove he is.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
93. For the Clintons
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 09:08 AM
Jun 2013

The late Jackson (BCCI) Stephens rewarded those who helped him make millions into billions.

DinahMoeHum

(21,809 posts)
94. "Harvard economist" - that says it all for me. . .
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 09:55 AM
Jun 2013

Seriously, these Ivy League ivory-towers may have the $$$, but their social capital is limited and defective.

IOW, too many of them don't talk to anybody except each other. This phenomenon is also known as "social incest", "circle-jerking" and "mutual masturbation"

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
110. They all learned from Martin Feldstein, one of Reagan's right-hand men.
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 03:06 PM
Jun 2013

And subsequently, all universities followed in teaching Marty's agenda, which is why our businesses are now parasite entities controlled by bean-counters at the behest of locust CEOs.

 

newmember

(805 posts)
98. How much evidence do I need to see that Obama is a corporatist
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 10:22 AM
Jun 2013

One day maybe we really will get a president that cares and will put
people ahead of corporations and greed.

He talks a great game though so lets all rally behind him ....again

blm

(113,093 posts)
99. If he 'has no ability to judge whether' Costco's success is based on fair treatment of employees
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 10:44 AM
Jun 2013

then he has no business being on ANY economic advisory board.

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
100. I see your problem,right there.
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 10:57 AM
Jun 2013

Tax payer dollars fund the gravy train that the Waltons ride,through welfare,lower payroll taxes and lack of health insurance.
The economy is hurt because these people have so little purchasing power save shopping at Wal*Mart and now it seems that they are not going to have a voice with the consumer protection agency head under lock down by the obstructionist thugs in the house.

Furman is either an imbecile or a LIAR and i would think it is the latter.
Hey Obama,quit spamming my email with pleas for help,since you only seem interested in helping those who need it the least,because my days of helping you are over!

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
102. This "Team of Rivals" thing is becoming more like "Sleeping with the Enemy."
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 11:02 AM
Jun 2013

Are there ANY progressives or Democrats Obama is willing to hire?
 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
103. This is exactly why progressives must distance themselves from Obama;
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 11:12 AM
Jun 2013

we cannot allow them to rebrand the ideals and solution of FDR as the failed practices of neo-liberalism/privateering.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
105. Wow...anyone else
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 11:26 AM
Jun 2013

notice the dearth of sycophants on this OP?

Or, maybe my ignore list is protecting me from their shrill rhetoric...

(BTW, Wal-Mart sucks, and Sam Walton's intent was to buy and sell products made in the USA. His children have totally destroyed his vision.)

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
108. Jared Bernstein: Jason Furman to Chair the CEA?
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 02:13 PM
Jun 2013
Jason Furman to Chair the CEA?

Well, well—I see from the Twitterverse that Council of Economic Adviser Chairman Alan Krueger is going back to Princeton, to be replaced Jason Furman. That’s a great choice—Jason will make an excellent CEA chair.

Even though economic policy isn’t going anywhere fast these days given Congressional gridlock, the CEA chair is an important post. S/he is the public face of the administration when important data are released—think jobs day—and, at least in my limited experience, the CEA chair spends a fair bit of quality time with the POTUS, interpreting the economy and explaining the impacts of administration policy.

The CEA chair also can be highly influential in moving policy, as Alan was on the minimum wage and UI extensions, Christy Romer on the Recovery Act, and Glenn Hubbard on the Bush tax cuts.

I’ve worked closely with Jason, and there are few economists I can think of who both get macro (which is to say, see it the way I do) and have such a deep, granular knowledge of federal economic and fiscal policy, in no small part because he’s played a role in shaping those policies since the Clinton years. This is a guy who can hold forth on the history of the tiers of the unemployment insurance system as well as the exemptions in the corporate tax code, including the Senators who snuck them in there.

Roughly speaking, I’d describe the values of Furmanomics thusly:

–Progressive taxation that raises ample revenue;
–Boosting efficiencies and squeezing out inefficiencies in the tax code and the health care system;
–Solidly Keynesian in recession (he was ally in those arguments back in the day);
–Crafting policies with a clear eye to implementation constraints (something you only develop from pretty long experience in the gov’t sector);
–Strong supporter of the safety net (see here, e.g., re the little-known Furman effect).

- more -

http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/jason-furman/


Jason Furman
Recent Reports
http://www.cbpp.org/experts/index.cfm?fa=view&id=145




 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
111. Lord of the Rings come to life.
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 03:16 PM
Jun 2013

President Obama is under Wormtongue's spell. He has surrounded himself with Goldman Sachs and he cannot think for himself anymore. A powerful spell that only those from the outside looking in can see.


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thesquanderer

(11,992 posts)
112. $12 per shopper per year to provide decent wages? That's kind of how Costco does it.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 11:00 AM
Jun 2013

Costco charges families (which may include multiple shoppers) $55 a year to shop at Costco. Walmart has no membership fee. So maybe that's why Costco can pay the better wages. If $12 per shopper per year is enough to bring Walmart employees to to a living wage, the answer could be to charge each Walmart shopper $1 a month membership fee. I wonder if that would fly. The PR might not be too bad if it were clear that the entire amount was going to increase wages on the floor.

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