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http://www.cnbc.com/id/100694955"This proves that pensions are pretty much dead," said Greg McBride, chief economist at Bankrate.com. "The change is just another charade to mask the underfunding of pensions and increases the odds of having less money for retirement."...
The pension change was part of a transportation billcalled Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century or MAP-21passed by Congress last June. The change became mandatory this year.
In essence, MAP-21 lets employers put less money in their pension plans by allowing them to value their liabilities what they have to pay out to pensionersusing a 25-year average of interest rates instead of current rates.
A transportation bill?? Cuck Fongress!!
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)oops! sorry for the redundancy.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)supposedly controls the Senate- they are complicit.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Congress members say they do not have time to read all the bills before they vote for them, but that does not explain why they can't have their numerous staff keep track of the bills.
Hell, there is a website called Gov.org that tracks every bill introduced on to signature or veto or death by committee.
A FREE website.
Not to mention thomas.loc.gov does almost the same thing.
If I had a Dem congress critter who claimed they were powerless to track what was in a bill, I would call them out on it.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)the loc is for Library of Congress.
Thomas is one of the oldest sites on the Web, which explains why it doesn't have www. in front of it; that convention hadn't been established yet.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,762 posts)LeftInTX
(25,556 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)They used to add amendments to bills that would ADD some pork for legislators to take home and brag about.
Now they are adding amendments that take things away from people.
I blame my senator for this crappy shift. Claire McCaskill railed against earmarks and Dems got scared of them. They were a useful tool to line up votes or even some crossovers.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)All you have to do is buy his book/video and he'll tell you all about it. Or so the Washington Post sez.
Save 1/2 your earnings, put it all in the next Facebook/Apple/Google stock options, and away you go! Or write a book about how you can retire at 30....
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)daughter.
Too bad ladies, he's taken.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their promises or excuses.
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bvar22
(39,909 posts)Democrats can NEVER seem to "sneak" things into bills that would be GOOD for the Working Class,
even when they hold Majorities in Congress and the White House?
How come the Democrats can NEVER Hold the Republicans Hostage for something THEY want?
Why is it ALWAYS the Democrats who have to move to the Right to accommodate the Republicans?
How come I can NEVER pick the Queen when there is money on the table?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)because they don't want to. Interesting that you posted a pic of three card Monte, because the longer I live the more I thing that Congress is nothing but a shell game. The politicians may say different things, but they all act the same.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Convenient, eh? Gets the PBGC out of the picture.
CanonRay
(14,118 posts)Because they keep squeezing the middle and poor classes, cutting their wages, their jobs, and their pensions, and their health care, until there's nothing left to do but hit the streets and strike back. Is that what they want? Because they better start thinking long term. It's the same bullshit day after day, year after year no matter who is in power.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)then squeeze some more. Most of America is to stupid to see what is happening, and if they do they will find a scapegoat ala Germany in the 30s.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)littlewolf
(3,813 posts)it is all 401k's now they contribute to it ..
but that is all I was one of the last people to get
on the pension.
ReRe
(10,597 posts).... hell they are doing up there. If this is not the definition of corruption, what is please tell me? And they have been doing this for decades. It's like lying. It started small and seemingly harmless, and just got worse and worse up through time. And now it appears there is NO conscience in our government. Do you think they realize they are doing something wrong when they sneak stuff in and out of those bills? This sickens me more than anything I've seen on DU lately. I know, it goes on all the time and has for a long time. We all know it. But why does a society of basically good people put up with this? Why do we roll over and forget about it? Shame on our lawmakers. And PO for signing such garbage. Does he read the bills he signs into law? Does he just assume the House and Senate would not do such a thing? Whatever happened to the "line-item veto"?