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damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:08 PM Jun 2013

Boulder woman disturbed by police policy to enter unsecured residences

"Boulder residents who intentionally leave their doors open, may unintentionally be inviting a Boulder police officer in for a visit.

Chrissy Smiley learned this fact in surprising fashion on Thursday afternoon when she returned to her south Boulder condo after a 40-minute walk with her dogs to find a card from a Boulder police officer sitting on her dining room table.

Disturbed by the discovery, Smiley said she quickly called the officer back to ask why he had entered her home without her permission.

"He was very nice. He said he had come back to follow up on another officer who had been there for something and he felt he had probable cause to make sure that I was safe," Smiley said, adding the she found the officer's explanation unsettling."

"To access the dining room, Smiley said, the officer would have had to enter through the door and walk through her kitchen.

"Maybe it is uncommon to leave your door open, but whatever, it doesn't invite them in," she said. "On the off chance that I am being murdered or held hostage, I'd rather take my chances with that, than know that a cop can just come into my house if my door is open."

Smiley took up the issue Boulder police Sgt. Michael Everett, who in an email response to her inquiry, explained that entering unsecured residences is standard operating procedure for most law enforcement agencies, including, Boulder police, and one that is not likely to stop."

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_23420284/boulder-woman-disturbed-by-police-policy-enter-unsecured

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Boulder woman disturbed by police policy to enter unsecured residences (Original Post) damnedifIknow Jun 2013 OP
police are not your friends nt msongs Jun 2013 #1
And we need to raise our kids knowing that they are not! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #3
Relax Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #51
They're MY friends. If faced with a gang of intruders, I'd rather have the cops over. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #7
Fast cops or just very slow thugs? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #9
They are obligated to pursue suspected criminals, and they do. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #12
They are not legally obligated to do even that. X_Digger Jun 2013 #13
They are obligated to pursue suspected criminals. That's their job. To enforce the law. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #14
Nope, not even that, legally. X_Digger Jun 2013 #18
Yes. It's settled precedent. They take an oath to uphold the law, apprehend criminals, Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #59
Hint: Oath != legal obligation X_Digger Jun 2013 #64
Um, no they don't. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #19
"Sorry, but the motto on the door, is propaganda." Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #50
I didn't say they have a duty to "protect" me. They take an oath to maintain order, Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #60
Don't feel bad most people have it wrong. I did too. KentuckyWoman Jun 2013 #38
Don't feel bad that you can't read. Read my post again and notice the word "protect" doesn't appear Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #63
you misunderstood my post KentuckyWoman Jun 2013 #66
No, they're not. It's pretty settled precedent. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #42
Well, there goes another childhood illusion Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #46
Yes, they are. It's settled precedent. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #58
Please cite the case establishing precedent that.. X_Digger Jun 2013 #65
Dubya is an *admitted* criminal, not suspected Fumesucker Jun 2013 #17
I have been saved by LEOs more than once sigmasix Jun 2013 #47
Some Du'ers have very different experiences Scootaloo Jun 2013 #49
Love, love, love this response me b zola Jun 2013 #56
I was one for 6 years and you are right Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #52
Wow. That's horrible. DirkGently Jun 2013 #2
Creepy.As.Fuck. Earth_First Jun 2013 #4
what?!? burnodo Jun 2013 #5
It's a nice day damnedifIknow Jun 2013 #6
Does she want privacy or to be kept safe? Sheesh. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #8
Sharing some of that "voluntary" Boston love! RandiFan1290 Jun 2013 #10
Tactical-booted thugs are scary. Why do they insist on playing swat team or army-men? Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #43
Really creepy, and subject to all manner of abuses. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #11
got a call from the police at midnight the other night, an 'open door' report. Sunlei Jun 2013 #15
if you click the link you will find there is more to the story. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #16
Just think of it as a doorway meta analysis and all will be copacetic n/t Fumesucker Jun 2013 #20
I would assume that he yelled to see if anyone was home bhikkhu Jun 2013 #21
Last time I leave my door open damnedifIknow Jun 2013 #26
Many years ago (long before bullet resistant vests) Mugu Jun 2013 #34
I don't think that's too bad, honestly. napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #22
You can go by a house and see a door is open and it's somehow obvious no one is home? ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #25
especially someone who will "take the off-chance of being murdered or held hostage" Skittles Jun 2013 #27
I think too many people watch too many cop shows and news shows. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #28
cops and news shows depict a lot of open doors, do they? Skittles Jun 2013 #30
Just a lot of unusual circumstances they need to check out just ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #31
And I have no idea what you are referring to with this. n/t ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #32
did you not....actually READ the article? Skittles Jun 2013 #33
Yes, I did.....didn't know how what you said (quoted) related to what I said. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #37
then I will not even BOTH trying to explain Skittles Jun 2013 #39
Americans only have the Constitutional rights that the highest priced attorneys can get for them. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #23
This is becoming increasingly obvious to me. gvstn Jun 2013 #54
If the cop noticed drugs in the house, and she was charged, Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #24
Or better yet, based on that unconstitutional invasion of privacy Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #53
Here's a CCTV image of him... Caught On Camera Cronus Protagonist Jun 2013 #29
Ugh, that's just not okay. RedCappedBandit Jun 2013 #35
I lock my doors behind me, so they'll have to break in to get into my house. Baitball Blogger Jun 2013 #36
people who don't lock their doors Skittles Jun 2013 #40
You and me both. Mugu Jun 2013 #41
I understand the creepiness of this situation, Jenoch Jun 2013 #44
This is beyond the pale. Lunacee_2013 Jun 2013 #45
its pretty standard to secure any premises that an officer comes acrosd loli phabay Jun 2013 #48
Happened to my mother telclaven Jun 2013 #55
I wouldn't want anyone damnedifIknow Jun 2013 #57
I don't see this as a violation telclaven Jun 2013 #67
It depends on what the call was that he was following up on Marrah_G Jun 2013 #61
And people in AsahinaKimi Jun 2013 #62

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
7. They're MY friends. If faced with a gang of intruders, I'd rather have the cops over.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jun 2013

They are the only thing standing between me and rapists, murderers, thieves, and burglars.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
9. Fast cops or just very slow thugs?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:42 PM
Jun 2013

And remember, the police are under absolutely no obligation whatsoever to help you at all. None.

You're more likely in your life to be assaulted by a police officer than to be rescued from an assault by one.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. They are obligated to pursue suspected criminals, and they do.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:51 PM
Jun 2013

No, I'm not more likely to be assaulted by a police officer than to be rescued from an assault by one. I speak from experience. Well, the police and my gun assisted.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
13. They are not legally obligated to do even that.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:54 PM
Jun 2013

They could trip over your dying body on the way to get a donut, get up, and keep heading to the donut shop, and there's not a thing your family could do.

Even if he saw a guy running away with a bloody knife in hand.

The government has no obligation to provide police protection to you, the individual, unless you are in custody.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
18. Nope, not even that, legally.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:06 PM
Jun 2013

Sure, they might get fired, but it's not a legal obligation even to investigate.

In multiple states, at the local, state, and federal level, police have not been held accountable for failing to do their jobs. Let's examine some of the cases.

South v. Maryland (1858)
Cocking v. Wade (1896)
Riss v. City of New York - 1967

http://lawschool.courtroomview.com/acf_cases/10107-riss-v-new-york

[div class='excerpt']Brief Fact Summary

Plaintiff was harassed by a rejected suitor, who claimed he would kill or seriously injure her if she dated someone else. Plaintiff repeatedly asked for police protection and was ignored. After the news of her engagement, the plaintiff was again threatened and called the police to no avail. The next day, a thug, sent by the rejected suitor, partially blinded the plaintiff and disfigured her face.

Rule of Law and Holding

The municipality does not have a duty to provide police protection to an individual.

Keane v. Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1st Dist. 1968)
Silver v. Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (Minn. 1969)
Antique Arts Corp. v. City of Torrance (1974)
Hartzler v. City of San Jose, 46 Cal. App.3d 6 (1st Dist. 1975)

[div class='excerpt']The first amended complaint alleged in substance: On September 4, 1972, plaintiff's decedent, Ruth Bunnell, telephoned the main office of the San Jose Police Department and reported that her estranged husband, Mack Bunnell, had called her, saying that he was coming to her residence to kill her. She requested immediate police aid; the department refused to come to her aid at that time, and asked that she call the department again when Mack Bunnell had arrived.

Approximately 45 minutes later, Mack Bunnell arrived at her home and stabbed her to death. The police did not arrive until 3 a.m., in response to a call of a neighbor. By this time Mrs. Bunnell was dead.
...
(1) Appellant contends that his complaint stated a cause of action for wrongful death under Code of Civil Procedure section 377, and that the cause survived under Probate Code section 573. The claim is barred by the provisions of the California Tort Claims Act (Gov. Code, § 810 et seq.), particularly section 845, which states: "Neither a public entity nor a public employee is liable for failure to establish a police department or otherwise provide police protection service or, if police protection service is provided, for failure to provide sufficient police protection service."

Sapp v. Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla. App. 1st Dist.), cert. denied 354 So.2d 985 (Fla. 1977); Ill. Rec. Stat. 4-102
Jamison v. Chicago, 48 Ill. App. 3d 567 (1st Dist. 1977)
Wuetrich V. Delia, 155 N.J. Super. 324, 326, 382, A.2d 929, 930 cert. denied 77 N.J. 486, 391 A.2d 500 (1978)
Stone v. State, 106 Cal.App.3d 924, 165 Cal Rep. 339 (1980)
Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C.App 1981)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

[div class='excerpt']The Court, however, does not agree that defendants owed a specific legal duty to plaintiffs with respect to the allegations made in the amended complaint for the reason that the District of Columbia appears to follow the well established rule that official police personnel and the government employing them are not generally liable to victims of criminal acts for failure to provide adequate police protection. This uniformly accepted rule rests upon the fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen.

Chapman v. Philadelphia, 290 Pa. Super. 281, 434 A.2d 753 (Penn. 1981)
Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982)
Davidson v. Westminster, 32 Cal.3d 197, 185, Cal. Rep. 252; 649 P.2d 894 (1982)
Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C.App. 1983) (Only those in custody are deserving of individual police protection)
Morris v. Musser, 84 Pa. Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937 (1984)
Calogrides v. Mobile, 475 So. 2d 560 (Ala. 1985); Cal Govt. Code 845
Ashburn v. Anne Arundel County (1986)

[div class='excerpt']In 1986, the Maryland Court of Appeals was again presented in Ashburn v. Anne Arundel County with an action in civil liability involving the failure of law enforcement to enforce the law. In this case, a police officer, Freeberger, found an intoxicated man in a running pickup truck sitting in front of convenience store. Although he could have arrested the driver, the police officer told the driver to pull the truck over to the side of the lot and to discontinue driving that evening. Instead, shortly after the law enforcement officer left, the intoxicated driver pulled out of the lot and collided with a pedestrian, Ashburn, who as a direct result of the accident sustained severe injuries and lost a leg. After Ashburn brought suit against the driver, Officer Freeberger, the police department, and Anne Arundel County, the trial court dismissed charges against the later three, holding Freeberger owed no special duty to the plaintiff, the county was immune from liability, and that the police department was not a separate legal entity.
...
The Court of Appeals further noted the general tort law rule that, "absent a 'special relationship' between police and victim, liability for failure to protect an individual citizen against injury caused by another citizen does not rely against police officers." Using terminology from the public duty doctrine, the court noted that any duty the police in protecting the public owed was to the general public and not to any particular citizen..

DeShaney v. Winnebago County, 489 U.S. 189 (1989)

Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales

[div class='excerpt']During divorce proceedings, Jessica Gonzales, a resident of Castle Rock, Colorado, obtained a restraining order against her husband on June 4, 1999, requiring him to remain at least 100 yards from her and their three daughters except during specified visitation time. On June 22, at approximately 5:15 pm, her husband took possession of the three children in violation of the order. Gonzales called the police at approximately 7:30 pm, 8:30 pm, 10:10 pm, and 12:15 am on June 23, and visited the police station in person at 12:40 am on June 23, 1999. However, the police took no action, despite the husband's having called Gonzales prior to her second call to the police and informing her that he had the children with him at an amusement park in Denver, Colorado. At approximately 3:20 am on June 23, 1999, the husband appeared at the Castle Rock police station and instigated a fatal shoot-out with the police. A search of his vehicle revealed the corpses of the three daughters, whom the husband had killed prior to his arrival.
...
The Court's majority opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia held that enforcement of the restraining order was not mandatory under Colorado law; were a mandate for enforcement to exist, it would not create an individual right to enforcement that could be considered a protected entitlement under the precedent of Board of Regents of State Colleges v. Roth; and even if there were a protected individual entitlement to enforcement of a restraining order, such entitlement would have no monetary value and hence would not count as property for the Due Process Clause.

Justice David Souter wrote a concurring opinion, using the reasoning that enforcement of a restraining order is a process, not the interest protected by the process, and that there is not due process protection for processes.

Gonzales v City of Bozeman (2009)

[div class='excerpt']On the evening of April 3, 2005, Gonzales was the lone clerk at a Town Pump store on East Main Street in Bozeman, Montana. At 9:55 p.m. a man later identified as transient Jose Mario Gonzalez-Menjivar entered the store wearing a ski cap. He held a knife to Gonzales' throat and demanded money. Gonzales was able to surreptitiously dial 911 on her cell phone shortly after Menjivar entered the store but could not talk to anyone and never knew whether the call went through. In the meanwhile, Gonzales began removing money from the safe, which was limited by a security device to dispensing $100 every two or three minutes.
..
..
Meanwhile, Leah will no doubt be dumbfounded by the Court's decision. During the course of a robbery, she managed surreptitiously to call 911. The call went through, the dispatchers ascertained what was occurring and where, and the police were sent to Leah's location. Upon arriving, they established a perimeter around the Town Pump, determined that the door was unlocked, and observed two individuals inside. They ascertained that one of the individuals (Menjivar) was directing the other individual (Leah). When the call from Leah's cell phone was dropped, the dispatchers established a connection on the store's land line. They told the officers that the male (Menjivar) was "threatening" the female (Leah) and that she was "crying" and "very frightened." The police saw Menjivar and Leah enter the restroom, where it turns out Leah was then raped. They arrested Menjivar when he left the store of his own volition. They then threatened Leah with a dog, at which point she exited the store, barefoot and wearing her Town Pump apron. They forced her to the ground and handcuffed her—although she was six months pregnant and one of the officers had recognized who she was.

Leah claims the officers acted negligently and unreasonably, but the Court holds that the officers owed her no duty to exercise reasonable care when they responded to her distress call.

They don't have a legal obligation to come when you call, they don't have to help you if they do come, and they have no obligation to keep you from harm absent a special relationship.


Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
59. Yes. It's settled precedent. They take an oath to uphold the law, apprehend criminals,
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 11:09 PM
Jun 2013

maintain order. And they do. If not for the authorities, gangbangers and thugs would be raping and pillaging up and down every street in America.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
64. Hint: Oath != legal obligation
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:39 AM
Jun 2013

If it were, folks in NYC could sue the pants off the NYPD for failing to investigate crime.

See the Village Voice's piece on the Schoolcraft tapes. (One part of NYPD's 'fudging the numbers' is reporting serious crimes as lesser crimes, then shelving the investigation.) "Nobody saw the gun the guy used to mug you with? And nobody saw how much cash was in your wallet? Well then, that's simple theft."

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
19. Um, no they don't.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:07 PM
Jun 2013

The Supreme Court ruled that the police have no duty to protect you, or anyone.

The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

The decision, with an opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia and dissents from Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, overturned a ruling by a federal appeals court in Colorado. The appeals court had permitted a lawsuit to proceed against a Colorado town, Castle Rock, for the failure of the police to respond to a woman's pleas for help after her estranged husband violated a protective order by kidnapping their three young daughters, whom he eventually killed.


Sorry, but the motto on the door, is propaganda.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
50. "Sorry, but the motto on the door, is propaganda."
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:12 PM
Jun 2013

Can you at least sue for false advertising?

From "Protect and Serve" to "We'll pencil you in when we get around to it."

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
60. I didn't say they have a duty to "protect" me. They take an oath to maintain order,
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 11:11 PM
Jun 2013

uphold the law, apprehend criminals, and the like. I never said they have a duty to come into my home and man the doors with weapons to scare bad guys away.

Give it up. They're the good guys. The bad guys are the ones you dread meeting in a dark alley. And it ain't a cop in your alley nightmare.

KentuckyWoman

(6,695 posts)
38. Don't feel bad most people have it wrong. I did too.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:44 AM
Jun 2013

If you want protection hire a bodyguard or learn some way to defend yourself.

Several folks in my sphere are in law enforcement. It has been made clear to me their responsibility is to maintain public order and enforce the law. Most would try to stop you from getting hurt but they are under no obligation to do so.

I've had more than one cop come to my aid. That was a kindness to me that I can be grateful for. Done of a good heart, not done for the paycheck.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
63. Don't feel bad that you can't read. Read my post again and notice the word "protect" doesn't appear
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 11:14 PM
Jun 2013

anywhere in it.

I don't know if you finished high school. Maybe you didn't. But there's a difference between "duty to maintain order and apprehend criminals" and "protect people."

Don't feel bad. You probaby wanted to see what you thought my post said. Some biased people are that way (but they're usu. Republicans).

KentuckyWoman

(6,695 posts)
66. you misunderstood my post
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 07:30 AM
Jun 2013

and maybe I did yours as well but damn - your come back is pretty rude. Shame on you.

I'm telling you the police are not required to stop a bike theif or find the stolen bike or find the theif after the fact. Whatever case they take on is in the interest of the government. If you happen to benefit then good.

Oh and welcome to ignore

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
42. No, they're not. It's pretty settled precedent.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:02 AM
Jun 2013

They're under no obligation to protect you, help you, or pursue or prevent any crime. They're pretty much just around to fuck up life.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
58. Yes, they are. It's settled precedent.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 11:07 PM
Jun 2013

They get a paycheck to enforce the law, apprehend criminals, and maintain public order. They are the only people who stand between thugs taking over and civilized society.

You know that. Quit trying to act tough, like you don't care.

If you were walking down an ally and came across a group of gangbangers, and a cop showed up, you'd run into his arms like a little kid. And he'd assist you (to the extent one person could save you from a group of gangbangers, which isn't much extent).

When someone is trying to break into your house...you don't call the gangbanger down the street to report it. You call 911 for them to get the cops over to your house to help you. And they would. That's their job.

They also swear an oath. Here are the deaths of police officers in my city (notice that 43 were shot to death, 5 were struck by vehicles, 6 were killed in vehicle pursuit, and 3 were killed by people who assaulted them with their vehicles):

Line of Duty Deaths: 80
Aircraft accident: 3
Automobile accident: 7
Duty related illness: 1
Fire: 1
Gunfire: 43
Gunfire (Accidental): 3
Heart attack: 2
Motorcycle accident: 6
Struck by vehicle: 5
Vehicle pursuit: 6
Vehicular assault: 3

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
65. Please cite the case establishing precedent that..
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:43 AM
Jun 2013

..police have a legal obligation to investigate any particular crime.

What lawsuit was filed, and the plaintiff won based on a failure to investigate claim?

I'll wait, go right ahead, since you're claiming there's precedent, you should have it handy, right?

sigmasix

(794 posts)
47. I have been saved by LEOs more than once
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:03 AM
Jun 2013

What is with these radicalized cynics and the constant attacks on authority?
Unlocked doors can indicate a host of reasons, including the reasonable suspicion that someone inside is in trouble. If the door had been left open by a rapist during his entry to the woman's house we would certainly want the police officer to follow his/her gut feeling and check on the safety of the resident.
But some DU members are incapable of humanizing police officers and accepting them for individuals who really want to protect and serve thier fellow Americans.
A few bad cops doesnt incriminate the entire profession- unless you are cool with sweeping generalizations being disguised knowledge- in which case you will have a hard time finding fertile soil to plant hatred and extremist approaches to child rearing.
What insane parent tells children that police are the boogey man? The same ones that would prefer thier children die in a house fire, hiding from the "bad guys" with the uniform. Sounds like child abuse to me.
I've never been targeted by police, but they have been there for me whenever I needed them. Armed robbery, personal property recovery and helping me to get to the hospital in time to live- yeah the cops never do anything good. Maybe we ought to get rid of them and just let gun nuts handle all of our protecting and serving. Maybe we can have our law enforcment needs filled by those civilians with the biggest gun collection- Teabagger dreams about American freedumb include constant problems with all authority (law enforcement, education, biological sciences, pretty much anyone) with an education, intelligence and authority.
This authority complex is painfully obvious within the posts of many DU members.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
49. Some Du'ers have very different experiences
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:01 PM
Jun 2013

Some Du'ers have been threatened with arrest for "not respecting your mother" after calling the police because said mother hit them in the face with a beer bottle when they were 14, for instance.

Pretty much all DU'ers have seen the police inflicting casual cruelty on protestors. We've all read stories, seen news reports, and many have firsthand accounts of harassment and abuse of people of color, advances towards women, indiscriminate killing of pets, thoughtless and sometimes lethal use of tazers, and arrests of children as young as five.

Precious few of us have ever seen the "good cops" put the "a few bad cops" in cuffs and testify against them. I suppose you're one of those exceptions, well, lucky you, you've seen the promised land.

What's become very apparent to many of us on DU is that the police are set firmly against the interests of the "common man" - they serve as a military wing for the elite, despite pretty much no police officer actually being a member of that caste. If that weren't bad enough, the two phony wars - the war on drugs and terrorism - have led to a severe ramping-up of both police militarization and powers. For those of us who are not so lucky to have Andy Taylor walking the beat in our neighborhoods as you are, the police resemble an occupying military power.

This is not, as your hyperbolic nonsense suggests, a wish for "gun nuts" to take over the job - frankly I don't think we could tell the difference, which would nullify the attempt. What I want to see is for these "good cops" I keep hearing about, to suddenly launch investigations and stings against the "few bad cops" because - I think we can agree - a law enforcement officer gone bad is an extreme danger to the public. I want to see arrests, I want to see convictions, I want to see prison sentences. I would love to see federal investigations; I would love to see communities strip the Judge Dredd "I AM THE LAW!" authority they have given police in recent years, and to de-militarize the police.

Police officers serve a purpose, at least ideally. But there's no reason to turn a blind eye when they become a threat to the communities they pledge to serve.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
56. Love, love, love this response
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:16 PM
Jun 2013

The reality of most of us vs the fairy tale of a few elites. This should be alarming to everyone on this board, but some whom live a privileged life cannot see outside of their own experience to understand how things work for the majority of us.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
4. Creepy.As.Fuck.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:14 PM
Jun 2013

Not to mention what seems to be an awfully dangerous situation for the cop turned life sentence for the homeowner...

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
5. what?!?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:15 PM
Jun 2013

so, if I'm taking a nap and I've left my front door open, a cop can just open the door and walk in? I'd say our Constitution is just fish wrapper. It means jack-diddly shit.

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
6. It's a nice day
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:25 PM
Jun 2013

and you have your doors open and just hanging out on the couch listening to music through earphones so you can't hear anything and all of a sudden a cop taps you on the shoulder. Good gawd.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
8. Does she want privacy or to be kept safe? Sheesh.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:32 PM
Jun 2013

I've learned from DU that authorities will never abuse the power given to them anyway, so there's really nothing to worry about.

RandiFan1290

(6,245 posts)
10. Sharing some of that "voluntary" Boston love!
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:42 PM
Jun 2013

Holding hands and touching each other and stuff! Boston Strong!

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
43. Tactical-booted thugs are scary. Why do they insist on playing swat team or army-men?
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:03 AM
Jun 2013

I really wish they wore standard issue blue uniforms. These wanna-be's are freaking a frightening sight.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
11. Really creepy, and subject to all manner of abuses.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:43 PM
Jun 2013

Presumably the cops can just walk around the neighborhood checking doorknobs, and any doors not locked are "unsecured", so they have probable cause to enter and search your home?????????????

Did I get that right?

Fuckers.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
15. got a call from the police at midnight the other night, an 'open door' report.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:02 PM
Jun 2013

front yard along with entire property is fenced. I open my doors, open for an hour and my dogs run in and out. I got woke out of bed by that call. Was asked to go outside to the fence where 3 police cars were there.

I had asked the dispatch what was wrong? and then the police at the fence what was wrong. I thought a family member had died or something, they would not say except to go outside. They told me they had a "open door report". I told them they scared the crap out of me. They seemed kind of annoyed at me and I felt like it was best at that time just to 'thank them for their concern'.

Lucky I woke to the phone ring. They would have had to shoot my dogs to get in this house. I've started strategic planting to block the door view from the street police.

Goes to show you police can make any excuse they want to get into your house at any time. Even a false alarm or a neighbor reporting an 'open door' will invite them in.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
16. if you click the link you will find there is more to the story.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:05 PM
Jun 2013

Police officer was making a follow-up on non-response to previous contact. Still creepy, but not as cut and dried.

bhikkhu

(10,724 posts)
21. I would assume that he yelled to see if anyone was home
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:15 PM
Jun 2013

...and receiving no answer went in to make sure no one was hurt or unconscious. Nice of him to leave a note, and that kind of shows that he wasn't up to anything creepy.

I can understand people finding it disturbing, but think of how many people live alone. I have had two relatives die over the years who were found by accident after a time in their houses. Among more distant relatives, grandparents of a sister in law were beaten in their home during a robbery and left to die, which they did before they were found. I don't recall if the door was left open or not. I think that if an officer inquires at an open door and receives no answer prudence justifies making sure nothing is amiss.

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
26. Last time I leave my door open
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jun 2013

I'll even put a note on it that says pardon me but this door is tightly sealed.

Mugu

(2,887 posts)
34. Many years ago (long before bullet resistant vests)
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:36 AM
Jun 2013

a close friend of mine awoke from a sound sleep to see a shadow walking around the room. As he was reaching for his gun he noticed that the shadow appeared to be wearing a hat shaped like that of a police officer.

Once he had his gun in hand, he decided that it was worth the risk to speak to the shadow before opening fire. When challenged, the shadow responded that he was indeed a police officer (and turned on a flashlight so he could be seen) pursuing a robbery suspect. He explained that he had lost the suspect in the darkness when he noticed the door of the house standing open and decided to investigate.

To this day my friend doesn’t leave any doors opened/unlocked whether home or not.

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)
22. I don't think that's too bad, honestly.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:15 PM
Jun 2013

If cops go by a house and the door is open, but its obvious that no one is home, that's could be a sign a break-in happened.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
25. You can go by a house and see a door is open and it's somehow obvious no one is home?
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:05 AM
Jun 2013

How does that work? I live on 1 1/2 acres - maybe I'm out back in the fucking woods. Or maybe I'm taking a piss, or any number of other things.

Do people really need someone looking out for them 24 fucking hours a day? How do people even find their way from the store without help?

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
28. I think too many people watch too many cop shows and news shows.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:22 AM
Jun 2013

If my door is open chances are I wanted the damn door open for a reason.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
31. Just a lot of unusual circumstances they need to check out just
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:26 AM
Jun 2013

to keep us poor souls safe from the boogeyman.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
37. Yes, I did.....didn't know how what you said (quoted) related to what I said.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:42 AM
Jun 2013

I'm tired - it's not important.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
23. Americans only have the Constitutional rights that the highest priced attorneys can get for them.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:57 PM
Jun 2013

The police will come into your property and house any time they want too. You have the constitutional "right" to sue them if you can afford it. Lawyers write the laws you know. The Constitution is an absolute joke.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
54. This is becoming increasingly obvious to me.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jun 2013

You only have rights if you can hire the type of lawyers that can cause those in charge to actually be embarrassed or proved do have done wrong doing.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
24. If the cop noticed drugs in the house, and she was charged,
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:03 AM
Jun 2013

that could eventually make for an interesting Supreme Court case.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
53. Or better yet, based on that unconstitutional invasion of privacy
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:18 PM
Jun 2013

had saw or suspected illegal activity, drugs for example then used that INFORMATION place the home, owner, and occupants under surveillance. Hmm, that sounds very familiar.

Mugu

(2,887 posts)
41. You and me both.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:56 AM
Jun 2013

I would hate to live with the thought that I harmed somebody that didn’t really need it. But, I’m not going to play 20-Questions with a person in my home uninvited, particularly during the hours of darkness.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
44. I understand the creepiness of this situation,
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:32 AM
Jun 2013

but all the replies that say 'the police are not your friend' creeps me out even more.

Lunacee_2013

(529 posts)
45. This is beyond the pale.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:08 AM
Jun 2013

It's nothing more than an excuse to go through people's homes. I'm just waiting for the day when someone leaves their bong out then goes out for a walk and leaves the door unlocked. I wonder how that will end.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
48. its pretty standard to secure any premises that an officer comes acrosd
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:07 AM
Jun 2013

For every citizen who freaks out about it there are a hundred who are happy. Plus how many times do people attack cops when they leave a house and someone is dead etc in it without checking.

 

telclaven

(235 posts)
55. Happened to my mother
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 04:02 PM
Jun 2013

A group of men broke into a neighbor's house and stole some stuff. As they were piling into a vehicle, a neighbor saw and called police. The car went down the street and neighbor lost sight.

My mother lives at the end of a cul-de-sac. Cops came down the street and were checking out the neighborhood. My mother left the door open when she went to grocery store. Cops went in to the house, determined there was no danger, so they left a note and shut the door behind them.

I don't really have a problem with this. To my mind, this is perfect due diligence on the part of police. They even left a note stating why they had come in. Although, they did sample the cookies she left on the counter. Did have a chuckle at that.

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
57. I wouldn't want anyone
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:30 PM
Jun 2013

I didn't invite to be in my house and this includes the police. People are just rolling over and giving up rights left and right like a trained puppy and I for one think it's insane.

 

telclaven

(235 posts)
67. I don't see this as a violation
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 07:49 AM
Jun 2013

There was a criminal act in the neighborhood (6 houses up from her house actually). There was an open door and no one responded to the bell. I would be pissed if the police hadn't come in.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
61. It depends on what the call was that he was following up on
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 11:12 PM
Jun 2013

If it was something involving threats or domestic violence then I could understand going in.

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