So 2016 will be a Clinton vs. a Bush?

[MannyGoldstein]

Just kill me now.

God, I need a beer. And an opium chaser.

[quinnox]

1. I doubt it

Hillary, maybe. But not a Bush. Hell, no!

[Dawson Leery]

2. I'll vote for Max Baucus if it keeps another scumbag Bush out of office.

[nevergiveup]

3. No, it will be Clinton vs. the thug from New Jersey

[Tx4obama]

4. I hope neither one.

When we have our first female president I would like our first one to be one that doesn't have a husband that has held elected office ever.

[DesertFlower]

5. how about kirsten gillibrand?

http://www.cityandstateny.com/kirsten-gillibrand/

[Tx4obama]

13. I like Gillibrand.

Her husband is a venture capitalist - at least he isn't a politician.

She will be 47 years old in December.
Seems a bit too young to me.

[DonCoquixote]

52. Better than Hillary

Not much better, but better.

I myself would rather see Janet Napolitano or Kathleen Sibelius come out of the shadows.

[MannyGoldstein]

8. Me too, of course!

[Demeter]

6. Over a lot of dead bodies

Maybe no one will run...the job is losing its status. Rapidly.

I know, I'm straining at gnats. I'd put up a Warren/Grayson or Grayson/Warren ticket, on a newly minted Peoples' Party, or 99% or something.

[OhioChick]

7. Hopefully neither n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Have I ever told you...

... that I use your sig regularly in conversation?

[OhioChick]

14. Seems both parties are pulling the restraints pretty damn tight n/t

[longship]

10. Who said?

The prognosticators of all prognosticators here at DU?

But I have it on high authority that it's going to be Liz Warren in 2016! Or is it Michelle Obama? I cannot remember which one. Well... Regardless, it's one of those three.

The DU prognosticators have spoken with complete accuracy, no doubt.

I think I'll consult Sylvia Browne. Maybe she knows for sure.

[MannyGoldstein]

11. What nitwit said that Warren will be running?

She's a very difficult woman, you know.

Very unladylike.

[longship]

15. She's going to be a great Senator.

If she runs for President in 2016, she'll not be such a great Senator. The question about a Warren presidency is yet to be answered.

That's all I have to say about it now.

[MannyGoldstein]

23. I think she can win.

And it's her nature to try.

We'll see!

[Lugnut]

38. Oh yeah!

She's my kind of gal.

[Arctic Dave]

12. Puke.

Two douchebags.

[Beacool]

30. Stay classy...........

Gee, might as well be at Free Republic.

[Arctic Dave]

35. Two of the worst things that could to make the US worse.

Both are puke worthy.

[TexasTowelie]

16. Hillary maybe,

but I'm thinking Rand Paul for the Repugnants. He has street cred as a libertarian, a racist and an asshole.

[Agnosticsherbet]

17. Howard Dean has said he might run if progressives are not being served.

So hold on. There is hope yet.

[Art_from_Ark]

19. If Dean runs in the primary, he'll probably get my vote

[karynnj]

45. If he is running and has a chance of being the "not Hillary" in the primary, he has my vote

In 2003, I went back and forth between JK and Dean - and really admired both. I seriously think he would easily win my current state - VT.

By the way, you may like this article about a picnic on the 10th anniversary of the start of the 2004 campaign that will happen in Burlington. The front page article in The Burlington Free Press is nice. http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20130618/NEWS03/306180024/Howard-Dean-staff-mark-10th-anniversary-presidential-campaign

[CK_John]

18. Sen Gillibrand vs Christie will be card for 2015.

[Fumesucker]

20. In a really masochistic way I kind of hope so

I spend far more time than is good for me reading and talking about politics, a Clinton/Bush redux would solve that particular problem completely.

[tularetom]

21. Nobody named Bush or Clinton should be allowed within a 10 mile radius of the White House

I might actually sit that one out.

[Marr]

22. If the establishment chooses (as they always do), I expect so.

The illusion of choice has become incredibly threadbare in recent years. It's like they're not even trying anymore.

[Nye Bevan]

25. Yes. The Establishment met in 2007 to determine who the next President should be.

And the Establishment determined that that person should be Barack Hussein Obama.

[MannyGoldstein]

28. Back in 2007, a good friend of mine told me that this was actually the case

He told me that Obama had been anointed by the bankers, and that Gephardt had been paid off to give Obama his staff and that the fix was in, blah, blah, blah.

I was Probama at the time, and thought my buddy was nuts. And my buddy always sounds nuts, but usually ends up being right.

And here we are.

[Marr]

37. I remember Obama's big national debut at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.

Actually, I barely remember his actual speech, because it didn't impress me as being anything particularly... well, impressive.

But the entire corporate media was abuzz about this "new star of the Democratic Party" for days afterwards. They all went on with the same type of praise; 'this Obama guy is the future of the party', etc., etc. I remember telling my roommate at the time that Obama must be a Wall Street stooge for the corporate media to be so determined to make him the new definition of the left. I don't think I was particularly insightful or anything, but I do think I was right.

Hillary was the other candidate deemed "viable" by the corporate media months ahead of any primary vote. And that's who we got to choose between; two candidates that Wall Street found acceptable-- basically the same product in two different packages. That's your level of choice.

[leftstreet]

39. Once the Kennedys endorsed him, Hillary was toast

Am I the only one who remembers that?

[BrotherIvan]

41. Ever heard of Penny Pritzker?

He was her guy from way back. Roll that around on your tongue for a while.

[Nye Bevan]

24. I highly doubt that Jeb will be the Republican candidate.

But Hillary is the overwhelming favorite to get the Democratic nomination. So much so that just her running will result in many Democratic big names sitting out the primary.

However a "true progressive" such as Howard Dean might well blow Hillary away and grab the nomination. In the dreams of several DUers. Yeeeeeehaaaaaaaa!

[jberryhill]

26. You didn't like Rocky VI?

[MannyGoldstein]

29. This is more like the 215th remake of Groundhog's Day

Oh Lord.

[jberryhill]

32. Ned Ryerson, is that you?

You know, repetitive things can indeed suck.

[bigwillq]

27. For the good of the country, I hope neither (nt)

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. There is a mayoral election

And a few city council seats. After that...there is an election? Or rather a dedazo.

[Beacool]

33. How predictable this place is.

Hillary hasn't even announced whether she'll run or not. What I have no doubt though, is that if she does run, she will become the nominee. This is not 2008.

As for Jeb, no he won't be their nominee. The conservatives hate the Bushes almost as much as they hate the Clintons. They want a Tea Party candidate to be their standard bearer.

[Marr]

40. It doesn't really matter what they want.

The rich guys who own the party wanted Romney, so that's who they got. Rank and file conservatives hated Romney. Remember the whole "anyone but Romney" line? It doesn't matter what they want.

[BlueCheese]

51. It strikes me the GOP is good at nominating the least insane of their candidates.

Romney, McCain, Dole, etc. were actually a lot more palatable than people lile Huckabee, Pat Robertson, Ron Paul, etc.

[DonCoquixote]

53. No, this is not 2008

Where people still had enough of a reason to care about the country that we were willing to try going in a prgressive direction for once.

Now, we know Hillary will just find a kinder, gentler way to screw us over, and if she tries not, Billy will put her in line, just like he corrected Obama about Syria,and just like he is fixing the Trans canda pipeline, no, wait a minute, that will be Hillary's job.

[delrem]

34. Wouldn't that mean that Dems haven't learned *ANY* lessons?

That there wasn't a grassroots movement to change course, and to refuse to listen to bullshit lying rhetoric? To at least give it a shot?

I don't think the US has any more chances if it doesn't do a 180 right NOW. That means there needs to be grassroots primarying starting right now, to find and fund candidates. Concrete action. Which progressive doesn't know that most incumbents, esp. those highest in the system, are gaming the American people? There's a shitload of terrible, terrible incumbents who need to be replaced if there's to be any change. That means being courageous, having the courage of your convictions and *believing* in the win. And it means starting NOW.

[Rhymes With Orange]

36. No more Bushs, No more Clintons! nt

[treestar]

42. 2014

Matters.

[politicasista]

56. +1 n/t

[Jim Lane]

43. The silver lining to a Clinton candidacy

If she runs, Andrew Cuomo won't.

If she doesn't run, Cuomo will run and, IMO, is more likely than anyone else to get the nomination.

Cuomo stood up for marriage equality but has no other redeeming qualities. So here's my prediction, Manny: If Cuomo is elected President, then, by Midsummer's Day of 2017, you will be here on DU bemoaning Hillary's decision not to run.

Right now you may think that's inconceivable. Trust me, Cuomo in the White House will make a believer out of you.

[MannyGoldstein]

44. That's a really good point.

Hillawar would keep the field clear of the other Third Wayers. And Hillawar can be easily beaten by an FDR Democrat (or a pretend one in the case of 2008).

Run Hillawar, run!

[Beacool]

47. Hillawar?

Can you at least be respectful of fellow Democrats and not act like this is Free Republic?

As for Warren, I hope she stays in the Senate a good long time because she's needed. But, only the Left wants her to run in 2016. You're all dreaming if you think that she would even have a sliver of a chance of becoming president.

[Beacool]

46. I know what you mean.

I'm no big fan of Cuomo either.

[JackRiddler]

48. "O death, when will you come?" (Liz Lemon)

[whatchamacallit]

49. The neocon terraforming is unfinished

Prepare yourselves.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

50. The epic battle of "The Lessers of Two Evils". New Dem vs Old Repug.

Should be quite a show...if you're a fan of farce.

[darkangel218]

54. I would offer you a beer, but i only have Coors :p and some dont consider it alcohol

Here it is anyway :p

[grasswire]

55. I just read that Howard Dean is considering a run.

I would fully, fully support Howard Dean!