I find it very telling that those speaking out about "contreception" are all males

[demtenjeep]

Mitch McConnell, Boener, Santorum, ect.

Like they EVER have to worry about contreception



actually, I can't believe anyone would do McConnell at all. He is only slightly less disgusting than Newty



They are disgusting, the whole lot!

[demtenjeep]

1. women ought to be speaking out

loudly

[kestrel91316]

2. They are men. How women choose to regulate their fertility is none of their damned

business.

How's THAT for loud?

[dixiegrrrrl]

3. I been saying that for decades now.

All my docs are female, also.

[Quantess]

6. male ob-gyns

I can't get past the nagging question in my mind why would a man choose this medical field? Does he have issues with women?

They might have honorable and valid reasons, but I just can't get past thinking they might have weird issues. I find it slightly creepy.

[Zalatix]

9. Oh, dear, really? Male ob-gyns are inherently creepy or have issues with women?

Where in the world do you get evidence of this?

I'm sure this news will encourage you... fewer people, males included, are choosing to be Ob-Gyn's. I'm sure the lower population of creeps is contributing to women's health care.

http://womensenews.org/story/health/040604/fewer-ob-gyns-leave-women-less-access-care

[kestrel91316]

22. We don't need "evidence" above and beyond our own personal

experiences with some of these DEFINITE creeps.

[Zalatix]

23. You don't need evidence for "Male ob-gyns are inherently creepy"?

Of course you don't. Just like they don't need evidence that Muslims are terrorists because of one's own personal experiences with terrorists.

[Quantess]

25. So what? I shared my opinion.

It's not that I would refuse his services if he were assigned to me, but it makes me wonder about what drove him to that particular specialty in the first place. Wondering about someones motivations quietlly is something I do.

There are people who look at the jesus fish on a storefront and choose to frequent a business, and there are people who see the jesus fish and have misgivings.

[Zalatix]

37. Yes and there are also those who see Muslims or Jews and have misgivings.

I guess you just don't see how you're broadbrushing every male obgyn as creepy. Of course not. They're just filthy evil males.

One has to wonder when, if ever, this madness will get outgrown on the DU. You can't just get mad at one or two bad male obgyns, you gotta go into attacking all of them.

[Quantess]

39. No, you're just wildly overreacting to my post.

You're embellishing and dramatizing all of this on your own. But go ahead, if it entertains you.

[EOTE]

40. I don't think it's an overreaction at all.

And I'm interested in seeing what you found to be an embellishment or dramatization. What you said was a pretty offensive broadbrush. It's not unlike the examples the poster provided to you. If I said the same thing about women who work in jobs that pertain typically to men, you can bet your ass that I'd be blasted for it. But if you're fine with misandry, so be it.

[Quantess]

43. I would wonder the same about female doctors who choose to specialize in urology, for example.

What made them choose that particular specialty?

Zalatix twisted my words around, dramatized them and embellished them.

[EOTE]

47. Christ, it's a job that pays well!

Really? Is it that difficult to understand? Would you turn down a six figure job in this economy? Do you know anyone that would? It truly boggles the mind. And no, your words were not twisted around, I read them. They were offensive.

[Zalatix]

45. Thank you. I thought I was all alone in seeing that.

[justiceischeap]

29. When was your last pap smear?

Just curious.

Some women are freaked out by male OB's. I, personally, will never visit a male doctor for my OB needs again because my first experience was with a male and it was a bad experience--he didn't really seem to care about what I was going through or understand it. If he could have gotten away with it, I think he would have told me to "suck it up and walk it off." Does that make them all inherently creepy to me? No, but it might to the OP and she's the one who has to trust the doctor with her reproductive health.

[Liquorice]

26. I've had the same thoughts. I go to an all female

gynecology group of doctors now. It is a very nice atmosphere for women. 20 years ago it was hard to find a woman gynecologist, especially if you weren't in a large city. I'm glad times have changed. I don't think there's anything wrong with your questioning it.

[HappyMe]

28. Wow.

So do you think female urologists are creeps. After all, why would a woman choose that field? Don't those women have issues with men?

I have had a female and a male ob-gyn. Both were wonderful doctors. They were both caring & gentle souls. They took as much time as was needed with all the patients.

[Zalatix]

34. It's different with women urologists.

(Insert irrational sexist hypocrisy here.)

[HappyMe]

35. *sigh!*

Oops! I think I answered in the wrong place......or something.



Carry on.

[Quantess]

38. No it isn't! Aren't you at all curious why a female urologist would choose that particular field?

Out of all the medical specialties, why would a woman choose to focus on male private parts? Don't you find that sort of curious?

(How many female urologists are there as a percentage, anyway?)

[HappyMe]

42. No. No, I'm not.

Should I question my cousin's motivations in becoming a pediatrition? Or my other cousin's motivation to be a doctor specializing in allergies?

Not everyone has an evil ulterior motive. Especially when it involves years of schooling, tons of debt and dedication like you can't imagine.

[Zalatix]

46. No. Wait, I take that back. Not just no, but HELL no.

I don't care who it is who's checking my parts. As long as they're competent and I leave in as good or better condition than when I went in, I don't care if they're a man, woman, black, green, Vulcan, Martian, or whatever.

Crazy, huh?

[Quantess]

36. I said "I find it slightly creepy". Notice I did not call anyone a creep.

The guy upthread added words to my statement, which is ingenuous and in poor form for a message board. Pay no attention to his interpretation.

To your question: Yes, I would also question why a woman would want to zero in on the medical aspects of a man's private parts! What motivated her to pick that particular specialty?

As long as they are good at what they do, then of course that's what matters the most.

Why is a trivial question, but I really would like to know! Of course they don't have to answer, but I can't help wondering.

[Aerows]

48. I've been to both men and women

I prefer women, but I have no problems with a male gynecologist.

[MicaelS]

49. Maybe the man truly loves women and wants to help them

Has that ever occurred to you?

Maybe the same thing applies to women who choose Urology. They genuinely love men and want to help them.

Personally the thing I find creepy is your mindset of always questioning other people's motives, and assigning negative values to those motives.

[demtenjeep]

4. if they were the ones that had to prevent pregnancy, they would be all over this

instead, they get Viagra included in their insurance without any hassle at all.

[Zalatix]

24. I've never, ever understood how they can cover Viagra and penis pumps, too.

[Liberal_in_LA]

5. +1000

[The Straight Story]

7. Well, men are directly involved

If a woman gets pregnant and chooses to keep the child the man is on the hook for 18 years of child support - at the point a woman makes her choice (to keep a child) the man no longer has any choice.

Both he and she had a choice prior to conception (whether or not to have sex) but after sex only one person has a choice that affects two lives.

That said, fuck all of those idiots and if they really cared about things they would make sure people had easy access to birth control.

It's not rocket science - you can reduce abortions, etc, easily by providing people with birth control, but the only control they care about is over the bodies (and choices) of other people.

Your body, your choice (for this and other things - be careful though, believing in it for things other than abortion/birth control might get you labeled a libertarian).

[justiceischeap]

30. "Well, men are directly involved"

You've got a valid point about child support but my logic tells me that with your reasoning, men should be much MORE vocal in supporting contraceptives, not less.

As far as the choice of having sex, men also have another choice--to make sure a condom or some other form of contraceptive is used before sex and saying no if there isn't or having some other form of sex that doesn't involve activities that lead to pregnancy.

You do realize that unwanted pregnancies would drop drastically if men refused to have sex unless protection is used. I know there are two people involved but if a woman isn't on the pill, a guy could refuse to have sex with her if he doesn't have means of protection. I also understand there are some pregnancies that happen when protection is used... but that's not what I'm referring to.

The problematic part of the entire contraceptive debate, some of these men and women want to ban contraceptives because they view it as a form of abortion--which is just ridiculous.

[w8liftinglady]

33. I have shared this concept with all of my sons.

They KNOW to use condoms.
I used to volunteer at a rape-crisis center.
As I have said many,many times- married women have abortions.I have counseled married women who were raped...yes,raped..by their spouses.
I have counseled college age girls who had non-consensual sex,drugged....shared by multiple partners.
I have counseled young teenagers who had no clue about birth control...whose partners did not use condoms.Who were puking in the mornings,and mom put 2 and 2 togther.

So,be careful when you say "Both he and she had a choice prior to conception (whether or not to have sex) but after sex only one person has a choice that affects two lives. "


These are easy statements to make when you aren't the one making the choice.

[dimbear]

8. What continually amazes me is that there are women Republicans.

Why?

[demtenjeep]

10. good question

as long as they get their boner pills they don't give a fuck about women's needs

[Bigmack]

11. Damned if I know!

Except after 30 years teaching high school, I WILL say that some folks are just NOT influenced by factual reality...... Ms Bigmack

[Terra Alta]

14. a woman voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

Seriously. Republicans want to destroy every right a woman has. Any woman who votes Repuke must really hate herself.

[Sparkly]

15. I think quite a number are breaking ranks on this one.

[JBoy]

12. If men got pregnant, there would be drive-thru abortion clinics.

[Terra Alta]

13. Conservative Republican men like to control women

they see women as objects to control, and they can't stand a woman who is independent and makes her own decisions about her own body.

If it were left up to conservative men, women wouldn't have the right to vote, drive, or even go out in public unless accompanied by a man.

[Iggo]

16. I had to worry about contraception...

...for half the 70s, all of the 80s, and most of the 90s.

Not sure why you think men don't worry about contraception.

[TheKentuckian]

18. Yup, but those of us with rational concerns in the area damn sure want women to have this access

and want that access to be easy and cheap.

The worriers being addressed are worried that poor and working class women will have control of their bodies rather than vessels for the next wave of fodder/consumers/peasents.

[Mira]

17. Hackneyed. Old Hat. Heard. Not again.... but here it is:

If you're against abortion, for Christ's sake, just don't have one.

[Sparkly]

19. Same with birth control, marriage, etc...

When did it become a "right" to infringe on other people's rights?

And listen to Ron Paul and his son -- they want to bring back the "rights" of business owners to refuse service to people based on the color of their skin!!!

It's like they hate civilization.

[demtenjeep]

20. they long for the puritan days

when money truly did mean ALL the power

[Sparkly]

21. The Puritans were more matter-of-fact practical about things.

And they did help each other. These people are NUTS.

[Nye Bevan]

32. And if you're against contraception, just don't use it.

Oh wait a minute, that version doesn't work quite as well...

[tsuki]

27. Yea, they have kids, and they can do like their buddy Rep Joe Walsh did...book a

trip to Italy with the new girlfriend and forget the kids.

[Nye Bevan]

31. Not true, Palin, Coulter and Bachmann have all weighed in.

And it's only stupid males who don't worry about contraception. The possibility of paying 18 years of child support, or getting herpes for life, would make any sensible guy put on a condom.

Speaking of which, if women get the pill for free, why shouldn't men (and women) get free condoms?

[RockaFowler]

41. What the heck are you talking about??

You don't need a prescription for condoms. They are cheap. BC pills are expensive. $30 a month minimum for a generic pill.

Where have those 3 women spoke out about this?? I have heard nothing from any of them

[Nye Bevan]

51. Condoms protect against STDs as well as pregnancy.

Why not encourage condom use as an alternative to birth control pills?

[Initech]

44. Further justification for my theory that those who can't get laid take it out on those who can.

I know!

[Jennicut]

50. Plenty of conservative women are just as bad.

Just go look up some of the crap Michelle Bachmann has said. Its not a female vs male issue to me, it is ultra nutso conservatives vs reasonable people. They are all bad. I say that as a woman.

[pokerfan]

52. Bishops: birth control bad; Viagra good

Catholic bishops take hard stance on Viagra (dailykos.com)